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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:18 PM
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Just got back from listening to Kucinich at UMass/Amherst
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 05:01 PM by Mairead
He had an SRO crowd in the Campus Center auditorium, about 400+ people ranging from very young students to a 90-y.o. retired professor in an electric wheelchair. This follows getting a crowd of 2000 at Smith College last night.

He entered to a thunderous standing ovation and spoke for a half-hour, largely about the war, and then took questions for a half-hour.

One of the questions was from a guy who was practically writhing in agony at having to ask it: you probably aren't going to get the nom, so what can we do to keep progressing anyway. Dennis's response practically got the roof off the place: nobody gets the nom without having 2xxx (he knew the number, but I don't remember it) delegates, and nobody's got anywhere near that today. So there's no reason to believe we can't win--despite the claims that resistance is useless, everything is still completely open.

(edit; forgot this: Then someone asked him about Nader coming in. He grinned and said he was quite sure that once he (DK) had the nomination, Nader would immediately re-assess his candidacy. It was pretty clear that they have a deal on that.)

The retired professor rolled up and asked for his mike, and he gave it her. She got a bit lost and rambly while trying to make her point, so after 5 mins or so the state campaign chairman started to make a move to cut her off and take the mike back. But Dennis, who seemed quite enchanted by her, immediately waved him off. Eventually she collected herself and reminded us that her generation did its best in the '30s and were now almost all gone, and that if there's to be a good tomorrow it's mostly up to the uni students of today, since they're the ones with the time and energy and faith. 'And you can make a good start by helping elect this guy behind me here'. Huge applause and cheers.

Someone else noted that Chomsky, who apparently had spoken there last night, believes there won't be a draft because the PNACers don't want mid/upper civilian conscripts, they want what amounts to a mercenary army of the optionless poor and are trashing the US economy to create a reservoir of such cannon fodder. DK responded by saying that despite his enormous respect for Chomsky, he disagrees that there won't be a draft: US military resources are being depleted at a rate that makes continued imperialism impossible without replenishment, and both the PNACers and the DLC are committed to imperialism. Add to that the recent warning by the leading Iraqi religious leader that unless the US mends its ways by summer he'll issue a fatwa and light off a major intifada against the occupation forces, and a draft will be the only way to get enough bodies in a short enough time to prevent the US being driven out of the Semitic Region altogether.

In response to another question I don't now recall, he said that he's known and liked Kerry for a long time, but has many severe political disagreements with him. That what we're facing is the prospect not of any meaningful improvement by replacing BushCo, but a mere relabeling--that there are no clear and believable differences between the GOP and the DLC on the really major issues of today: imperialism, healthcare, world trade and our jobs, and the stripping away of our constitutional rights. He noted something that the WTO et al are (apparently) trying to keep below the radar: a change that would give multinational corps the right to legally import undocumented foreign work crews to take, for less than minimum wage, even the low-level service and retail jobs such as janitor, burger flipper and WalMart 'associate' that teenagers and poor adults try to subsist on now.

He left to another thunderous standing ovation. I was on the wrong side of the aisle, so I didn't get to shake his hand. When I got out into the lobby, heading for the parking garage, I saw him standing there completely engaged in conversation with several students while his roadies looked frantic (he was running out of time to make it to his next gig in Cambridge, a hundred twenty miles away across the state).

Regretably, I overheard a couple students working a table for some student organisation reveal that plenty people, even at a nominally-progressive school like UM/A, still haven't heard of him ('What's with the crowd there?' 'That's Kucinich' 'Who's he?' 'Dennis Kucinich. He's running for prez and just gave a speech in the auditorium' 'Oh yeah? Which one is he?' 'He's the short guy in the middle there with his back to us')
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:28 PM
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1. Dennis My Man - Go Dennis Go!
Sounds like a great speech and Q&A.

I would love to hear him speak someday.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:46 PM
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3. He is amazing. Most moving speaker I have ever heard in person.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:21 PM
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12. Yes he is!
Dennis is clearly the best choice
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:46 PM
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4. If our dems are smart, you will hear him give one of his
great speeches. At the convention! GO DENNIS, GO!!!
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:32 PM
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2. thanks for the report
sounds like a great event.
it is disheartening that so many educated progressives have still never heard of Dennis Kucinich much less the fact that he is running for president.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:49 PM
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5. Awesome!
I can't wait for him to make a stop in Chicago, that isn't interrupted by weather.

Go Dennis!!!!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:51 PM
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6. Fantastic report
My kingdom for a car! I would have been there with you :-(
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:56 PM
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7. OMG he nails it so hard in
live events! He needs to go there in the debates now!!!
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:58 PM
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8. Oh Mairead.... thanks for this great report
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 04:59 PM by Desertrose
Dennis is so amazing and so totally aware of so many things...(wonder what his IQ is) I am so glad you got to hear him and report back to us.....

I can imagine his "traveling guys" were impatient...I know how they get & I know how Dennis likes to talk to everyone he can.:)

About the draft & Chomsky...I agree with them both...if there were more time the PNACers would go that route...but I agree with Dennis...there has to be a draft if we are to keep up the occupation...there is not any other option.... "cannon fodder" is required-I hate that term btw.

:hi: Mairead, do you still need any bumperstickers? I have some I can mail you- pm me if you want some.

Peace
DR
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:54 AM
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25. DK vs NC on the draft
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 10:57 AM by Mairead
I agree with them both too, DR -- I think Chomsky's right in that the PNAC don't want a lot of irritated conscripts who've been dragged away from their real lives, but I think DK has his finger on the impending reality: that as in so many other things, the imperialists have miscalculated how much resistance there'd be, so they're going to be faced with a small list of dangerous choices. Dennis didn't mention the third, but I could see it on a lot of faces besides my own: if an intifada really is declared this summer, the PNAC loonies might decide that even using a tactical nuke or two would be better than reprising VietNam by having our invading forces driven out of the whole region.


(Oh, and thanks for the repeat of your bumper-sticker offer, but I actually scored several yesterday, believe it or not!)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:00 PM
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9. I LOVE you, Dennis!
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:17 PM
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10. Great report. Quick question - did he actually use the word 'imperialism?'
I ask this because I've seen him say things to live audiences that he seems not quite ready to say on national TV. For example, in December, I heard him say in person, speaking to a packed union hall, "The corporate media basically lied us right into a war!!" And when everyone in the hall nodded in agreement, he added, "I mean, that's just the simple truth of it, right?" This was wonderfully direct. It was goddamn thrilling, in fact. He's made similar points on TV, but not quite so bluntly.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:50 PM
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16. He certainly mentioned PNAC and Bush's lying in the last debate,

but I'm not sure he used the word imperialism. I think I'll go look up the transcript, though. That is, if I can remember who sponsored the debate! I watched it on C-SPAN so maybe they have transcripts?
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:45 AM
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24. The word? No, I think he used a euphemism
He phrased it as 'illegal war to take over and control the oil resources of mid-eastern countries', if I recall correctly.

He started off by saying that the Bush regime had mounted an illegal war and then asked us 'what's the one word that describes why they did it' and of course everyone roared out 'oil!'. He said he asks the same question everywhere he goes and always gets the same answer, that it's all about oil, that the Bush administration started this illegal war to gain control of the oil that belongs to mid-eastern countries.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:05 AM
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29. Now, now, let's "get with the program"
You know as well as I do that it's "our oil" that's underneath "their countries". Have you forgotten this morning's Bush/Cheney Talking Points already?

;)
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:32 PM
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34. Dang! Ya got me. I slip up every now and then.
Time for a trip to 'the camp', I suppose. I can only hope they let me come back eventually.
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:20 PM
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11. Great report... thanks for taking time to post... nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:27 PM
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13. DK will get at least 35% in Kerry's homestate
This will be one to watch. I think Kerry will get less than 50% in Massachusettes.
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Nadienne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:40 PM
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35. ROTFLMAO
That would be sweet!! :7
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:44 PM
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14. Great report, Mairead! I can't wait to see how Super Tuesday

goes for Dennis.

What he said about the WTO and importation of undocumented foreign workers to take the low-pay jobs in the U.S. is extremely depressing.

It's a fact that people in the cheap labor countries, like the Philippines, are recruited in large numbers to work in other countries as construction laborers, domestic help (maids, nannies, cooks), seamstresses in sweatshops, etc. This has been going on for years, with the recruiters handling all the details of arranging airfare, etc., and then taking a large fee for their services out of the workers' pay. I'm not clear if these are undocumented workers, but it's definitely a shady practice.

I fear Dennis is right about the draft, and Chomsky wrong. I've been expecting the return of the draft ever since Bush* got to send troops into Afghanistan.

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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:02 AM
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27. " I'm not clear if these are undocumented workers"
I think they are, DB. The impression I got was that they'd be people like the Pilipinos you mention: provided no personal documentation at all, and thus prevented from participating at all in US life--they'd be brought here, housed in a dorm, and trucked from dorm to jobs and back every day til they were used up and shipped back home with whatever pennies they managed not to have to spend for food and necessaries at the 'company store'.
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Nadienne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:47 PM
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36. Draft
Bill proposed to HR and Senate, HR 163 and S 89

HR: Link

S: Link
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:49 PM
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15. I was there too!
My report of the morning's events is at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x397079 but I think Mairead's description is more informative.

Since Dean dropped out, I've been undecided, but I'm leaning closer to voting for Kucinich.
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lams712 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:50 PM
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17. Thanks for the report.....
....it's an indictment on the "mainstream" media that I have to get my info on DK from alternate sources like DU.

I greatly appreciate your report since the mainstream media won't mention it.


KEEP THE FAITH AND VOTE FOR DK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ByRillYAN Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 06:12 PM
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18. Great Report!
If only i were old enough to vote. I would definetly vote for kucinich. several of my freinds will vote in november, but almost none will be able to vote for kuch in the texas primary, in what, two weeks. the youth will vote progressive. all who are informed at least. its the only way to ensure our future.

GO KUCINCH!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:17 PM
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19. So, while he was in MA--
--did he ever meet up with Chomsky? That would have been interesting.
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mgc1961 Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:56 PM
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20. I honestly...
...get tears in my eyes everytime I read something like this because it makes me both hopeful and a little discouraged at the same time.

But I haven't given up. I hope to cry my eyes out watching Dennis take the oath of office.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:12 PM
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21. Imperialism is SO Roman Empire
I'm glad we've learned our lesson in that regard.

:wtf:

Fear Ends
Hope Begins
Kucinich 2004


Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:22 PM
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22. Great report, Mairead!
I'm glad to hear that Dennis is doing what he does best.

If every voter got to meet/hear him in person, there wouldn't be any question about who should be president.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:29 PM
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23. 2,161
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 10:56 AM
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26. Yup.
The fat lady ain't sung yet.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:03 AM
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28. "...a mercenary army of the optionless poor"
"and are trashing the US economy to create a reservoir of such cannon fodder."

The truth is out there.
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 11:06 AM
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30. 2161 indeed!!!! :)
GO DENNIS J. KUCINICH GO!!! YOU'VE WON ONE ISLAND - NOW GO FOR THE ENTIRE USA!!!



:dem: :kick:
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MaggieSwanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:36 PM
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31. Thank you for posting this report!
I really miss having him here in Iowa. Nothing like hearing him live!
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:56 PM
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32. Great report...! Kucinich is the truth speaker !
He is the true voice of the people...

"that there are no clear and believable differences between the GOP and the DLC on the really major issues of today: imperialism, healthcare, world trade and our jobs, and the stripping away of our constitutional rights."

People hate to hear that, but on the major issues there is not much difference. The GOP is just more belligerent about it. The corporate Dems do it with a good speech and a smile.

TWL
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:10 PM
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33. Thanks for this report!
I am going to see this man speak in person someday, by God!

:loveya:
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