What ticket is most likely to carry Florida?

[Bombtrack]

Simple question. I've yet to hear any good arguments how Florida isn't by far the most important swingstate, both quantitativly and in terms of revenge

[dennis4868]

1. Bush-Diebold

:-(

[Warpy]

5. Agreed. With Jebbie as governor,

...Florida will continue to rig elections and generally be a stink in the nose of the rest of the country.

I sincerely he and his brother and Harris are hauled up on RICO charges for the 2000 election. I'd so love to see it happen.

[Bombtrack]

7. So, we can't win any swingstate with a Bush loyal governor?

I guess we might as well forfiet the election then. We "officially" lost Florida by 527 votes. Add 3 4ths of the greens, that's another 75 thousand, add the increased turnout for minorities do to 1 - The people who were illegally purged the last time, and 2 - The anger that that community still possesses about that, and you have several more thousand.

I don't know how you can make an argument of where we are more likely to get the necessary red electoral votes than in Florida

[Donkeyboy75]

9. Funny,

but not so funny

:mad:

[Wonk]

2. Bush - anybody. nt

[Paulie]

3. Ham Sandwich / Guacamole

Seriously. People in FL know this is a referendum on both of the bush bastards.

[Bombtrack]

4. No, I go to school here and know tons of independants

with almost all of them there are dems and tickets they'd vote for and ones they wouldn't

[AndyTiedye]

12. Bush/Diebold Will Be Hard to Beat in Florida

The People may vote Democratic,
but their votes will be "delivered" to the Republicans, and maybe some to the Greens.

[Bombtrack]

14. Sorry, I'm not a defeatist and require proof, not paranioa

If the GOP controlled all of the elections as people think they do, Mark Pryor of AR, Mary Landrieu, several democratic governors, and that congressman in KY wouldn't have won.

There's no evidence I've seen that because the election in 2000 in Florida was made close enough to have the supreme court stop the recount after democrats were purged from the rolls, that we can never win another election in the state.

The 270 electoral votes have to come from somewhere, including 9 more than all the states we won in 00 if we even hold all of them

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. That's what they said in 2002, remember?

In fact Terry McAwful "guaranteed" that Jeb was going down. And as for Cruella Harris, she actually got rewarded with a congressional seat for her felonies. Even with a decent nominee, Florida wouldn't be a safe bet.

[tobius]

6. buchanan/gore nt

[Doctor_J]

8. Kerry/Clark

but IMO OH will be more crucial. Plus, all the gays who work at Disney World are probably pissed about the new proposed amendment ;-)

[Bombtrack]

11. I think I could post a "who's most likely to win NC" and the kerry people

would vote for Kerry/Clark Over Edwards .

[JohnLocke]

13. As a Florida resident, I believe an Edwards-Graham ticket would be best.

[Bombtrack]

17. Agreed. I used to be for a Clark-Graham ticket

too bad that will never happen

[kixot]

15. I would vote the shit out of a Kerry-Clark ticket.

[Bombtrack]

16. It's not about how you would vote

People who post on democratic underground are not the people we need the votes of most to win the election.

[milkyway]

18. Graham was my preference for Dean's VP. Ohio might be this year's Florida.

Edwards-Graham would be real tough to beat in Florida. As he would have done with Dean, Graham balances nicely with Edwards' supposed negatives (age/experience/foreign policy expertise vs. youth/inexperience/lack of foreign policy experience).

[Bombtrack]

20. "ohio might be this years Florida" What does that even mean?

This isn't a snipe at you at all. I heard some pundit say this on an NBC story about the general election based about the Ohio primary and Ohio itself.

But it's really a nonsensical non thought out sort of buzz statement. In someways like the "kerry-Edwards" ticket. An idea you're not sure where you heard it first but unoriginal people just keep repeating it because they have nothing insightful to say.

Again, this has nothing to do with you, it's just my own little rant that's a result of me being a political science student and other people(not you) saying dumb things about electoral politics and being dumb about it. Like the whole demcoratic electorate who became more convinced that Kerry was more electable because he won the New Hampshire primary basically and it spiraled from there

[milkyway]

24. To me it means that the recount battle of 2000 will be continued in Ohio

during the campaign. Both sides will see it as an absolutely must-win. bush* has been there eleven times already this year.

Florida was a must-win for the repugs in 2000. It was hard to see them losing Florida but still winning the election. Ohio is evenly split, and usually ends up with the winner. I read that no repug has ever won the Presidency while losing Ohio. The state has lost a tremendous number of jobs, and it will be interesting to see if the blue-collar Reagan Democrats get duped by the repugs into voting against their own interests. The repugs will try to drown out debate about outsourcing jobs with, as Dean would say, guns, God, and gays.

This battle for the hearts and minds of the rust belt will decide the election. This year's election will not be decided in the South, but in Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. If the Dems can hold these states, they will only need to pick up a state such as Arizona or Nevada to win the election.

[Bombtrack]

25. The recount fiasco will not happen again, the odds are next to nothing

I'm pretty sure that Florida is the Florida of 2000, and Ohio is the Ohio of 2000. Florida is just worth 2 more electoral votes

[Orangepeel]

19. I can't believe that there are at least 34 people who think

that a Kerry/Clark ticket would be more likely to win Florida than a Kerry/Graham ticket.

:shrug:

[SangamonTaylor]

21. Edwards - hanging chad

You gotta have hanging chad on your ticket.

[Kathleen04]

22. Lone vote for Edwards/Clark

:)

[iamjoy]

23. Native Floridian Weighs In

Florida has 27 electoral votes, and a very diverse population.

The Democratic nominee might need to bring some one like New Mexico's Richardson on board to capture the Hispanics in South Florida. The Jews in South Florida are more likely to go for Kerry. Edwards will have the most appeal in the panhandle, but those people may vote for Bush anyway.

As for central Florida - anybody's guess.

Graham is still quite popular here, but I think a Kerry/Graham ticket would put everybody to sleep. Edwards/Graham might be good because Graham could compensate for Edward's perceived weaknesses. But, how would two Southerners play out elsewhere? Could push Northern & Mid-West states to Nader.

Forget about a Kerry-Graham ticket, no charisma there.

Bob Graham is pretty well respected in Florida, and I think would balance out Edwards (perceived) weaknesses very well.

:puke:

[Bombtrack]

26. bump

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