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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:16 AM
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I hereby officially sign out of GD Primary FOREVER
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 02:17 AM by sgr2
As of this moment on this day I have decided that this particular forum is completely worthless. Of course, I enjoy talking with people here and I love swapping info. Problem is that there are so many completely insane people, obsessed with JUST their candidate, posting here that it really isn't any fun. I look forward to after the primaries when we can talk about our nominee, and threads in support of 3rd party candidates are eliminated.

See you then!
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:20 AM
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1. I understand
it really is frustrating, for everyone. Don't give up, though. There ARE some fun, worthwhile discussions here.

Go hang out in the lounge for awhile, then come back and visit.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:21 AM
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2. I think I heard you say...
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 02:41 AM by ezmojason
comment removed.

No need to rehash old stuff. Sorry.

:shrug:
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:23 AM
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3. No offense
But I kinda remember a bunch of posts from this kid slamming other candidates that didn't exactly give me warm fuzzies either. But I could be confused...
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:26 AM
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4. Yea that was probably me...
anyway go Kerry.



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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:07 AM
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5. 2nd paragraph sucks but it is where the action is at
The Hedgehog and the Fox - Isaiah Berlin (excerpt)

There is a line among the fragments of the Greek poet Archilochus which says: 'The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing'. Scholars have differed about the correct interpretation of these dark words, which may mean no more than that the fox, for all his cunning, is defeated by the hedgehog's one defense. But, taken figuratively, the words can be made to yield a sense in which they mark one of the deepest differences which divide writers and thinkers, and, it may be, human beings in general.

For there exists a great chasm between those, on one side, who relate everything to a single central vision, one system less or more coherent or articulate, in terms of which they understand, think and feel-a single, universal, organizing principle in terms of which alone all that they are and say has significance-and, on the other side, those who pursue many ends, often unrelated and even contradictory, connected, if at all, only in some de facto way, for some psychological or physiological cause, related by no moral or aesthetic principle; these last lead lives, perform acts, and entertain ideas that are centrifugal rather than centripetal, their thought is scattered or diffused, moving on many levels, seizing upon the essence of a vast variety of experiences and objects for what they are in themselves, without consciously or unconsciously, seeking to fit them into, or exclude them from, any one unchanging, all-embracing, sometimes self-contradictory and incomplete, at times fanatical, unitary inner vision.

The first kind of intellectual and artistic personality belongs to the hedgehogs, the second to the foxes; and without insisting on a rigid classification, we may, without too much fear of contradiction, say that, in this sense, Dante belongs to the first category, Shakespeare to the second; Plato, Lucretius, Pascal, Hegel, Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Ibsen, Proust are, in varying degrees, hedgehogs; Herodotus, Aristotle, Montaigne, Erasmus, Molière, Goethe, Pushkin, Balzak, Joyce are foxes.

Of course, like all over-simple classifications of this type, the dichotomy becomes, if pressed, artificial, scholastic, and ultimately absurd. But if it is not an aid to serious criticism, neither should it be rejected as being merely superficial or frivolous; like all distinctions which embody any degree of truth, it offers a point of view from which to look and compare, a starting-point for genuine investigation.

Thus we have no doubt about the violence of the contrast between Pushkin and Dostoevsky; and Dostoevsky's celebrated speech about Pushkin has, for all its eloquence and depth of feeling, seldom been considered by any perceptive reader to cast light on the genius of Pushkin, but rather on that of Dostoevsky himself, precisely because it perversely represents Pushkin-an arch-fox, the greatest in the nineteenth century-as a being similar to Dostoevsky who is nothing if not a hedgehog; and thereby transforms, indeed distorts, Pushkin into a dedicated prophet, a bearer of a single, universal message which was indeed the centre of Dostoevsky's own universe, but exceedingly remote from the many varied provinces of Pushkin's protean genius.

<<snip>>

http://www.cc.gatech.edu/people/home/idris/Essays/Hedge_n_Fox.htm
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:12 AM
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6. I hereby don't give a crap
You'll be back tomorrow. :)
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:17 AM
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7. He's a hedgehog anyway
:evilgrin:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:48 AM
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8. Yeah, what Will says!
I've seen a lot of regulars give the old "I'll never post here again" routine. Usually it lasts about a week then they are back.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:20 PM
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15. I hereby don't give a crap if you give a crap
:think:

Still not coming back, catch ya on the flipside.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:50 AM
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9. Adios
Things will calm down a lot after we get a presumptive nominee next week. See you then!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:23 PM
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16. We won't have a 'presumptive nominee' next week.
Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear. :evilgrin:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:44 AM
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10. Things are looking up already!
:hi:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:45 AM
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11. ciao
:hi:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 06:50 AM
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12. Oh heaven forbid!
You have to deal with those pesky also rans, and those disgusting third party rabble. Censorship is soooo much easier to deal with, when no views except yours and those like yours are heard.:eyes:

I think you're going to find that when the lid clamps down around here that DU is going to become a very dull place.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:35 AM
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13. At time like these you just want to...
hit the hide thread, or ignore button. It's that easy :7
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:40 AM
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14. Understood.
We'll all be rowing in the same direction soon.


Hang in there, sgr2 -- :toast:
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:32 PM
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17. Bye sgr2.
n/t
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:39 PM
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18. I don't blame you
This forum hasn't been quite as fun lately. A lot of antagonism and sour grapes between various candidates backers, mostly Clark and Edwards fighting along with the usual Dean and Kerry.
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