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Timahoe (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:58 AM Original message |
Boston Globe: Kerry backs state ban on gay marriage |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
43. IF it ALSO ensured that same-sex couples have ALL legal rights of others |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
86. DITTO-PLUS, slinkerwink!!!!! n/t |
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Timahoe (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
2. So as I understand it, bigotry at the federal level is wrong, but okay |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. that's why Kerry has to come out in favor of gay marriage so |
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Timahoe (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. It makes no sense and is dishonest |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. He's not up to anything. |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. It makes perfect sense and is a good compromise |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 07:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Yes, but why can't those who favor gay marriage understand that? |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
31. You want us to lose a 49-state landslide like McGovern? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. States can make their own laws |
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Timahoe (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Strom Thurmond also believed that civil rights was a state issue! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. What's the alternative? |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. The alternative? ENFORCE THE XIV AMENDMENT! |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 07:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Who will enforce the XIV Amendment? Scalia? Thomas? Rehnquist? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Criticizing the Dem candidate for trashing our rights is now verboten? |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. "People"'s understanding is not what is important |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:08 AM Original message |
Screw incremental steps! |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
59. And you would sacrifice all else for this one issue? |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:32 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" -- MLK |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:43 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. So you answer is that Kerry should fall on his sword |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:47 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. No, he should USE the sword |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:04 AM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Kerry could have spun this alot different. |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. He is what he looks like: |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
53. It is the responsibility of the Executive Branch to enforce the law |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:01 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Then re-elect Bush since that is what you seem to prefer |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Democrats are using the politics of fear just like the GOP |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:08 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I do not fly around in the world of Walter Mitty |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. These folks who tell those of us who respect the Constitution |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Can you be "realistic" and expect the Scalia/Rehnquist court |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I am asking the Democratic candidate |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Reality says what you are asking is for him to commit Hari Kari, |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. If a Democratic candidate standing up for democratic rights |
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GodHelpUsAll2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Ummmmm Hello |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. If the MA legislature agrees on an amendment, the people |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Bush would had to have been elected in the first place |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Pitchers and catchers inspire your baseball meme? |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I do a lot of street-corner preaching |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:50 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Allow me to pass you a soapbox |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. If I don't think "my team" is playing to win, then... |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
45. The "alternative" is simple |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Tell that to Rehnquist and Scalia - they disagree |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
84. You mean progressives like Kerry |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. The vote was 98-0 so that should disqualify Kennedy, Wellstone |
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KurtNilsen (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Do you know Kerry's general or previous views on |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Marriage license laws |
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Timahoe (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The Supreme Court struck down the Texas sodomy law |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That's a separate law |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
79. in theory Kerry would be OK w. Texas passing a law banning gays |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. How about denying teaching licenses to gays? |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Balderdash |
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tobius (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. he is for state's rights. nt |
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lcooksey (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 07:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Because he's a politician |
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MurikanDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
41. One of the major objections to a Federal Constitutional Amendment |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. I will vote for the nominee eagerly in November, but not in primary. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
87. Every vote for Kucinich goes toward improving the Dem platform! |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. VOTE KUCINICH. vote equality. STAND UP TO THE RIGHT! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It's the right & the middle |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
33. One doesn't "lose" by showing some guts |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Great post. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
40. Dennis Kucinich supports equal rights for all |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
50. Kucinich has come out unequivocally for gay marriage. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
93. "Don't blame me, I'm from Hawai'i"! |
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Sliverofhope (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
14. Discouraging |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. marriage isn't just a religious concept----it's also a secular concept |
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tobius (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. thanks, I've been trying to make that argument all week with the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Go to the Supreme Court |
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tobius (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. would the amendment proposed in Mass pass Federal Constitutional muster? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. So would such a law forbid churches from marrying gays? |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. yes, the amendment would ban churches like the unitarian churches, |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. That is untrue |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:47 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I'm talking about the misconception that allowing gay marriage |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The proposed language of the amendment |
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monarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
24. I am ABB but |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
27. In other words, Kerry supports "separate but equal" |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Another word for that is "apartheid"! |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:48 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. in a US context the words are "Jim Crow" |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Some states already do that, IIRC |
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hippywife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
34. Here's why I think it cannot be left to the states |
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waldenx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
35. Kerry agrees with the Confederate states |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
39. Outrageous, disappointing, but not surprising.... |
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MurikanDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
42. Kerry's position is that it is a State issue. This is not inconsistent |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
97. So civil unions are a state issue? He clearly doesn't believe |
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lefty_mcduff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
44. Wow. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
49. Fuck you John |
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tucson (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
99. Agreed. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
62. Welcome to Republican Divide and Conquer |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Is this really a wedge issue? |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Actually... |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
77. John Kerry's Internationalist House of Waffles is open for business! |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Your post makes no sense |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I thought it was a Dodge dealship. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
88. Why is this so disappointing to some when his view is entirely the same |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. to wit |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. I hate waffles! |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. But waffles are better than pancakes are they not? |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. waffles are too Belgian-looking |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. It is NOT entirely the same. I'm tired of hearing this line! |
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askew (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
102. There is a huge difference between Kerry's positions and the others. |
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TheStateChief (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
90. Look For This To Be Added To The Repug List Of Kerry Flip-Flops |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
95. Ahhh Kerry!!! |
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Nashyra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. This is a civil rights issue |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-04 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
101. If CU and marriage have all equal rights then they are the same |
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