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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:25 AM
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The Top Five Reasons Barack Obama Lost New Hampshire
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 12:49 AM by nashuaadvocate
From http://www.sethabramson.blogspot.com/

...feel free to agree or disagree, either here or on the blog(!)

A Post-Mortem: Five Reasons Barack Obama Lost the New Hampshire Primary

(Hint: None of the Reasons Were His Fault)

Here are the top five reasons Obama lost to Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation primary, 39% to 37%. You'll notice none of these reasons have anything to do with Obama's viability or skill as a political candidate.

1. John Edwards. Before it's all said and done tonight, 60,000+ voters in New Hampshire will have cast ballots for one of three candidates: John Edwards, Bill Richardson, and Dennis Kucinich. The vast majority of these votes will have gone to Edwards, the most progressive candidate in the race except for Kucinich (whose voters account, incidentally, for only about 3,000 of those 60,000 votes). Hillary Clinton defeated Barack Obama in New Hampshire by about 6,000 votes. Does anyone in America doubt that without Edwards, Richardson, and Kucinich in the race, those 60,000 almost-entirely-progressive voters would have favored Obama over Clinton by a wide enough margin to give Obama a win in New Hampshire? No, no one doubts that--but because Edwards finished with a disappointing (yet not entirely unpredictable, given previous polls) 17% in New Hampshire, no one thinks to consider the importance of Edwards tonight, and point out that in a two-person race Obama would have actually (as those same polls once predicted) have blown Hillary's doors off in the Granite State. Today's result was devastating for Edwards; he was hoping for a Hillary loss, such that he could soldier on, watch Hillary drop out, and go into hand-to-hand combat mode with Obama. The joke, of course, is on Edwards, and those of us who support him, as his continued presence in the presidential race only ensures that he'll never see his best-case scenario materialize. John Edwards has become the biggest obstacle to John Edwards' own ambitions--strategically speaking--which is what tells me, sadly, that it's time for him to drop out of the race. The penalty for all of us, if he fails to do so, is the eminently beatable Hillary Clinton as the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008.

2. The media. Nothing is worse for a candidate than a premature coronation, and that's what the media saddled Obama with yesterday. Undoubtedly, the media effectively calling the race for Obama yesterday--all but saying to America that the only issue left was how much he'd win by--depressed turnout for Obama while raising it for Clinton. Obama voters had every reason to believe, because they'd been told this by every poll and every pundit, that Obama no longer needed their vote. And Clinton supporters knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that their preferred choice needed them as never before. Obama's surrogates, particularly Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, made a last-ditch effort today, on the airwaves of New England, to emphasize to Obama voters that their vote was still desperately needed. That message was too little, too late, and as it turns out the Obama bump from his Iowa victory was, if anything, too big. So big the media salivation turned into overreaction, which turned into smugness and complacency among precisely those voters Obama's Iowa bump should have energized. As with the John Edwards effect, there's an undeniable irony here--almost a paradox--in that it was Obama's very success in Iowa (where he outpolled Hillary by 9%; compare that to Hillary's squeaker of a win tonight <2%>) that cost him New Hampshire. Yet, once again, was this Obama's fault? No. His only failure was not realizing that the national media was, and is, and always will be, more powerful than any single campaign's GOTV machine.

3. The "diner" moment. Hillary's close-to-tears confession in a New Hampshire diner yesterday that this race was "personal" for her had countless effects on the electorate, all of them positive for Hillary. And yet I'm not saying the moment was contrived or false; in fact, I believe it was genuine, and well-timed but not in a schemed-out way (well-timed in the same way fate is well-timed; it's no surprise, really, that 24 hours before the New Hampshire primary, as Hillary faced the probable end of her national political career, she would feel so exhausted and harried and depressed and disappointed that her voice would crack for all of ten seconds. That's just the way life, and the human psyche, works). Women realized, when Hillary teared up, that she was not merely a machine, or a woman ashamed of her femininity and trying to "be a man" in a man's world, but that she was a woman like them, trying to do the hardest thing any woman in American history has tried to do (quite possibly): become the most powerful person in the known universe. And it's no surprise, then, in a sense, that women went for Hillary overwhelmingly today in New Hampshire, and gave her a clear (albeit narrow) victory. Likewise, Hillary's tears at that diner brought out two types of television pundits and on-the-ground activists--bigots and cynics--and both these groups can't help but push voters toward precisely those candidates they most vehemently oppose. Thank the man who raised a sign saying "Iron My Shirt!" at a Hillary rally for Hillary's win; thank pundits like Chris Matthews, and other old, chauvinistic white men on the boob tube, who openly wondered whether a) Hillary's tears were contrived (I don't think the voting public felt they were, generally), and b) whether those tears signaled she somehow wasn't ready to lead the most powerful nation on earth. That unparalleled, bald-faced assault on the very humanity of a tough and courageous woman couldn't have had any other effect than to turn out voters for her. That, and the moment in that diner really was touching; I've never felt so warmly toward Hillary, though admittedly that's not saying much.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:31 AM
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1. Rec'd!~ I keep trying to
get to bed but this is the last thing and I'm so glad I read it..going to sleep will be much better and.. waking up in the morning.

Thanks, seth!~ I'll reread this in the morning.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:33 AM
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2. Utter crap, really.
Clinton won because she got the most votes. Anyone can sit there and come up with hypotheticals about what would have happened if there were fewer candidates or if the media had done this or that, but in the end, Clinton won and Edwards lost. I'm not happy with that as I'd like to see a two person race between Edwards and Obama, but facts are facts and whining about how the mean world didn't do everything in its power to make sure your candidate won is childish and pointless.

Obama losing is all Obama's fault, just like Edwards losing is his own fault. The whole point of the primaries is that the best qualified person goes on to face the repub candidate. If Clinton (or Obama or Edwards) can beat the other two then she (he) is the right person.
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:41 AM
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7. Actually, I'm not whining...
...that's just my analysis of what happened. Agree or disagree, either's fine by me, but the name-calling doesn't exactly move the ball. On MSNBC they just went to break with the tease, "Why did Obama not win tonight?" It's the question everyone wants the answer to, whether they're an Obama supporter or not. Intellectually curious folks just like to talk about this stuff, that's all.
S.
P.S. I'm a long-time Edwards supporter, which further deep-sixes your "whining"/sour grapes theory.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:50 AM
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14. So sethabramson.blogspot.com is your blog?
I wasn't trying to insult you but to point out how ridiculous the commentary on the link you provided was. However, if you happen to be Seth Abramson, then my comment still stands, it's asinine. Sorry, but that's how I feel.
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:54 AM
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22. No offense taken...
...if you think it's asinine, you think it's asinine. That's okay. It's a free county! Be well,
S.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:57 AM
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24. Thanks and you too.
I really didn't mean to offend you, but these are all grown up people who are running for the most powerful job on earth. "Shoulda-woulda-coulda's" just don't have a place in their strategies. Either they figure out how to beat their opposition or they don't deserve the job. It's harsh but it's a helluva job.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:37 AM
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3. Not bad! As good as anythin I've heard. nt
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:39 AM
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4. Obama had all the money, all the media and still lost
The only person he can blame is himself, not Edwards.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:39 AM
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5. Another turd in the punchbowl
thanks
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:43 AM
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8. I'm an Edwards supporter too...
...you can verify that with any of my political posts, going way back. But I just think we have to be realistic about the role John's candidacy is playing at this point. Personally, my dream is an Edwards/Obama or Obama/Edwards ticket, though I don't see how that'll happen now. If Obama gets the nomination he'd probably pick Bill Richardson or Evan Bayh for Veep.
S.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:47 AM
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11. Tough luck. Edwards was in since 2005
Obama should have weighed the effects of the precious need for one candidate to stand against Hillary when he decided to run at the last moment.

There is nothing to indicate Edwards' voters would flock to Obama anyway. A poll even at anti-Hillary DU suggests the opposite.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:40 AM
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6. The media turned Obama into the Second Coming...
Which is why I think this loss was ultimately needed for Obama to lower expectations. It was getting pretty cult-like and insane in the MSM...I didn't want to admit it then, but I was thinking it. I also agree on John Edwards...this guy may not even win a single state...much less enough to get the delegates. When he's 0-4 after SC, he'll SERIOUSLY need to evaluate the legitimacy of his campaign. If he's serious about not wanting Clinton to be the nominee, he'll drop out and support Obama.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:44 AM
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9. He was trying to ride the premature coronation before tonight.
So were a lot of his supporters.

Not trying to gloat. Just stating facts. Beofore the vote, he was riding that media wave. It's hard to see how that can now be used as a reason he lost.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:45 AM
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10. nail, meet hammer.
astute observations and clearly written as well. thanks.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:47 AM
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12. Obama "is perhaps an ever better politician than Bill Clinton"
Bullshit.
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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:52 AM
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20. Well...
...I think there's simply no comparison between their relative speaking ability, as a matter of rhetorical skill.

Triangulation, which is what made Bill famous as a "politician," isn't, in fact, technically about being a good politician (definitionally speaking)--it's about being a good strategist. There's a subtle, but significant difference there. Anyway.

S.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:48 AM
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13. The top one reason Obama lost New hampshire.
Hillary Clinton!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:50 AM
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15. you forgot a reason:
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:50 AM
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16. Another reason - the guy that took her campaign workers hostage
Remember the guy that took her campaign workers hostage in some little town in NH a few months ago? She and her staff handled that situation remarkably well. People tend to remember things like that, especially in small towns.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:50 AM
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17. That post is so full of shit I'm ordering a colonoscopy for that dude.
He has some SERIOUS blockage or something, and shit is backing up into his brain.

Edwards isn't anywhere NEAR finished. Hell! We'll write him in the general election if we have to.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:02 AM
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28. delusional. that's your post.
Of coufse he's done. The OP is spot on. And write him in if you want. that and the primary is the only time you'll be able to vote for him. Edwards' voters seem to me comprised of people who don't deal with reality to well.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:33 AM
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35. Go blow it out your ear.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:50 AM
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18. 6. He didn't have a diner to weep in
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Bishop Rook Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:51 AM
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19. #2 is spot on
#4 is, I think, leaving out something important--the fact that so many universities are still on break right now in NH, meaning the all-important youth vote simply wasn't in the state to turn out, at least not as much as it did in Iowa.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:54 AM
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23. Yeah...blame Edwards...
Obamites..seeing things clearly....as mud.

How about he lost because he published those "MYTHS" on his website which are straight out of REPUBLICAN HELL.

"Don't believe Republicans are bad people".

Quisling...
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Bishop Rook Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:33 AM
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36. Uhhhh...
So when I commented on #2 and #4, where exactly did you get that I was commenting on #1? I didn't even mention Edwards, and if you read the other posts I've made tonight, you'll notice that I don't blame him and I think he should stay in the race.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:52 AM
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21. Or maybe, just maybe -
the people of NH asked "Where's the beef?"
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 12:59 AM
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25. I think the analysis of the diner moment is spot-on. Thank you. n/t
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:00 AM
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26. Greta post..and spot on!
I know its easier for some to scream "FIXED"!!!
but the facts will come out..
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:00 AM
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27. But did Obama really lose? PLEASE SEE THIS THREAD!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:03 AM
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29. K&R. That's a helluva lot of writing and analysis to have been done in such a short time..
I'm quite impressed, especially since I'm still in shock and too angry to do anything but type snark. You make absolutely wonderful points. I can't get behind Edwards dropping out. I think he has the right to run. I think he can help Barack. What is your explanation, if you have one, for the very strange polling v actual votes phenomenon?

Thank you for sharing this. I'll be reading the blog from here on out ! A fan now :hi:
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:04 AM
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30. He lost my vote because of his position on the war...enough said. n/t
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:05 AM
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31. If this analysis isn't a joke, he needs to stick to his poetry and other creative writing.
He might do better if he stuck to analyzing male voters and candidates. He seems to identify as male and is perhaps not too knowledgeable about females.

His book is titled "Suburban Ecstasies" ??



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nashuaadvocate Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:08 AM
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32. LOL...
...Yes, women are a mystery to me, as they are to most men. :-)
Be well,
S.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:10 AM
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33. C'mon.. at least he's brave enough to write and put it out there. More than most of us do and I
think it's good. He's a DUer.. let's be supportive !
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:37 AM
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37. Ok I'll read his darn poetry! and try to keep an open mind. Maybe I'll like it.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:14 AM
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38. YAY !!!
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 01:19 AM
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34. Right on.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 02:09 PM
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39. Note to self: Read more Seth!
Loved your postings of the stolen Kerry election in 2004. Will be reading more from your blog.
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