Well boys and girls....what about the environment?

[jus_the_facts]

.....this issue was paramount in making a decision in the last election....why isn't anyone even talking about it much at all this election season when it's THE most important issue we face not only as a nation but it's MOST important to the WORLD? Yet we constantly bicker and squabble about the same social problems we've always faced as as humans on this planet??

....."...people aren't wearing enough HATS!" Monty Python's The Meaning Of LIFE :eyes:

[Indiana_Dem]

1. I've mentioned the same thing but it's just not getting

the attention. Hopefully we can work on it hard and fast after November. The energy bill is coming up soon, though. The Republicans are going to try and pass it stealth by surprise sometime anyday now. We should all call our congresspeople as soon as we can. Moveon.org lists all the things the bill would do environmentally. There's also a deal with mercury levels that * is letting up on that would cause more birth defects in babies if the levels get too high in the water.

My biggest beef is why we aren't more concerned with peak oil production and recent global climate change reports????

[jus_the_facts]

2. it's all that truly matters to me.....everything else is secondary.....

....this is THE reason I care about politics at all...for if we continue to CONSUME and multiply....then all other issues are moot points and we all are to blame....not JUST the ones who are profiting off the planet.....but ALL OF US who dempend on it for our LIVES!

[blm]

5. It's an integral part of Kerry's campaign. He directly connects

environmental issues to national security, healthcare and the economy. I urge you to read his environmental speeches, as well as his national security and economic speeches. Kerry is the best environmental candidate we've ever had.

www.johnkerry.com

[Leilani]

9. If you truly feel that strongly about the environment

then run to vote for John Kerry in November.

He is probably the strongest evrinonmental candidate to ever run;
I think he's better than Gore.

And I say this as someone who supported Clark & now will vote for Kerry.

[lastknowngood]

3. real issues have no place in todays politics. It's all buzz words

divisive unimportant issues and tarra. Get used to it that is our lot for the future.

[jus_the_facts]

7. yeah the sick and pathetic display of what that's gonna entail.......

.......while these diabolical fools are allowed to destroy everything in the name of GREED...and we continue to LET THEM...by sittin' around with our HOPES that one day it's all gonna work out for the best...when we can finally ELECT someone who's gonna change it all one day? We're runnin' out of time to solve these quandries...all the while compounding our problems....OH how I loathe paradoxes!

[redqueen]

4. I have seen discussion of this topic

Kucinich is brilliant on it.

Kerry is great as well, by all accounts.

Edwards I'm not sure of. Someone on this board claimed he voted for the Energy bill bush recently passed, so... :shrug:

[junker]

6. Humans only minimally participate in climate change.

my problem with bringing this up as an issue is that basically humans contribute less than 1 per cent to perceived changes. I know, in dispute, however, the earth receives over 11 times the energy from the sun in the form of high-energy particles as it does in light or heat. As a result of these particles interacting with the terrestrial magnetic shield, vast changes in climate can, and are manifest. It is our 'fortune' to be alive at such a point.

Recent (yr2000) solar pole flips, as well as our magnetic shield component of the magnetic field going to zero briefly in 1999 presage pretty severe climate change that no amount of re-organization of human society will alter. What we could do as a species would be to acknowledge the solar/electrical component, and prepare to have some portion of the planetary human population survive the impending changes.

The arrival of the 3 comets this May (they are really here now, and reach visibility on May 8, 12, and 22) will further alter the electrical output of the sun and will increase the impact on terrestrial weather. The expectations by the Russian government of several simultaneous natural disasters in their country alone is a realistic appraisal of the situation and a rational response. The Russians are currently preparing for these social/structural/natural impacts and recent political upheaval is tied to changes within the government to streamline operations as a preparation.

Bringing up the environment is fine, but by the time we reach elections, other issues such as flaring inflation and further job loss will be much more pertinent.

If interested in the subject of terrestrial climate from a new perspective have a look here where Space is cold, really really really cold....

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHPOLECOLD.htm

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Potable water is a much more pressing issue than climate change and

one where IIRC almost all the ill effects are due to humans.

[jus_the_facts]

10. we've created and put into the atmosphere all sorts of chemicals....

....that cause MAJOR destruction as they eat away our natural ozone and protective barriers from the sun....WE HAVE CAUSED THIS...these combustion engines ALONE are millions upon millions of tiny volcanos erupting into the atmosphere...that oil took billions of years to decay under the crust of the earth and was NOT meant to be burned back into our atmosphere at the astronomical rate it has been....and our population has increased well beyond the capacity to sustain us with our gluttony to CONSUME...yet somehow you're trying to get me to believe it's not so...sorry I ain't believing any of that.

[izzie]

11. Just watching Bush trash the world takes my breath away.

It is all sitting on the back burner, I guess.

[jus_the_facts]

12. yep that fire and brimstone IS gonna get us......

....not because of any divine intervention....but our own faults for burning fossil fuels without any conscience...AND overpopulation IMHO! :(