Please, please, please, allow me to continue bashing the Democratic nominee

[NNN0LHI]

I mean right up to election day too. I don't want to waste anyones time bashing Bush for crying out loud. He his no worse than the Dem. Even maybe less so? Little George is just a misguided soul. These damn Dem's all are smart enough to know whats going on. Bush is not the truly evil motherscratcher as some characterize him. Its those Dem's. Dem's, Dem's, Dem's! So knowing this can I please continue to bash the Dem nominee from now until November using every right wing talking point I can find on the Internet to prove he is no good. Please.

Brought to you from the insane wing of the Democratic party®

Don

[Dookus]

1. I'm not satisfied

you haven't groveled sufficiently for my vote. I demand grovelling dammit!! GROVEL FOR ME!!!!! GRRRRROOVVVVELLLLLL DAMN YOU!

[BL_Zebub]

2. There is NO bashing of the Democratic nominee taking place

because there is NO Democratic nominee. Nor will there be one until July.

[edzontar]

3. We don't have a nominee yet. And when we do, we all have the right

And I would even say, have the DUTY to criticize that nominee on policy, strategy and tactics.

Why are Kerry supporters so afraid of criticism?

[WI_DEM]

4. Don

it is still the primary season. We don't need to fall in line when Kerry has less than 30% of the delegates needed to nominate. Some of us still have convictions and think that there is a better candidate out there.

[sangha]

5. "there is a better candidate out there."

Out *where*?

[Padraig18]

8. *cough, cough*

:hi:

[sangha]

14. That's what I was thinking. So tell me

does thinking Edwards is a better candidate justify bashing Kerry. Please note that there is little difference between Edwards and Kerry's policies and record (aside from length)?

I don't remember seeing where Don called for a prohibition of Kerry-criticism. I do see a call for an end to the bashing.

[Padraig18]

17. I was only drawing attention to another candidate 'out where'

:hi:

[WI_DEM]

11. and what are you insinuating?

I happen to think DK is a better candidate than Kerry. Don't try any shit with me by implying I'm a Bush supporter just because I haven't fallen in line with your choice--we know what * means. It is people like you who do your candidate no favors.

[sangha]

15. I thought you were referring to Edwards

Does your support for DK justify any bashing?

I thought not.

[WI_DEM]

20. and what is your point?

all I stated is that the contest is not over and there are other candidates out there and we don't have to fall in line--you want to attack me for that go ahead, but it shows how small minded some of the Kerry people are around here.

[sangha]

24. My point is that neither JE or DK are "out there"

They are firmly planted in the middle of a primary.

I agree that the contest is not over, which is why you won't find one post of mine saying Kerry WILL win. And I didn't attack you. I just was wondering what you meant by "out there"

[snoochie]

31. I think by 'out there' they meant 'available'

I could be wrong, though. :shrug:

But I do agree it's DK. :D

[sangha]

33. I wasn't sure

so I asked

[snoochie]

35. It seemed fairly obvious to me

Hope it's all cleared up for you now. :hi:

[molly]

12. LOL!

[turnhardleft]

6. Pointing out actual flaws is not bashing

Are you afraid of the truth leaking out that Kerry is DNC mold.

[molly]

10. Tell us about yourself

[turnhardleft]

22. You first

since you asked.

[Old and In the Way]

26. Since the DNC mold means the Democratic Party, you'd be right.

Surely, you meant to use the DLC as the popular DU prejorative term to show your contempt for Kerry.

And we do know the truth of your posting here.

[sandnsea]

7. It's the psychiatric wing

of the Democratic party. I heard that somewhere and thought it was pretty funny. :P

[molly]

9. Great line!

[WI_DEM]

23. what is beyond belief is the arrogance of some of the Kerry

people who want to proclaim Kerry the nominee even before he is nominated or has enough delegates to clinch the nomination. This arrogance is doing your candidate no favors with people you will ultimately need to vote for Kerry if he is going to win.

[Old and In the Way]

28. Please point me to one post where a Kerry supporter has declared

Kerry the nominee. True he is winning 17/19 cucusses/primaries and continues to tap > 50% of the Democratic vote, but I've yet to see anyone say he has won.

[snoochie]

32. Over fifty percent?

Is that a fact?

Where did he accomplish that, praytell?

[quaker bill]

13. Actually, I prefer the left wing talking points when bashing

the putative nominee. They work better than the right wing's stuff.

[RetroLounge]

16. Did I miss the convention?

We don't have the Democratic nominee yet...

But don't let facts get in the way of calls for lining up behind your guy...

[Dookus]

19. No convention yet

but these are facts:

Edwards needs to get over 60 percent of ALL the remaining primary votes to get the nomination. He isn't polling CLOSE to that in ANY upcoming state.

DK would probably need upwards of 85% of those votes. He isn't polling CLOSE to that in ANY upcoming state.

It's quite easy to extrapolate that Kerry, barring something huge and unforeseen, will be the candidate.

Pinning your hopes on something huge and unforeseen is probably an unwise way to live your life.

[snoochie]

34. Kerry's overly zealous supporters are just as persuasive

as some of the Dean supporters were.

Do you really think this nomination will be sewn up on the first ballot?

I don't think so.

Which makes all your percentages just so much speculation.

Also, there's the fact that none of the delegates have been solidly sorted out. Everyone's basing their guesses on other estimations.

It's kinda funny, actually. :D

[Dookus]

38. actually

I'm very certain the nomination will be sewn up on the first ballot.

There's absolutely no reason to think otherwise.

Kerry will have a clear majority of the delegates - probably more than any other candidate in history in a widely-contested primary.

BTW... I don't know who I'm voting for yet in the primaries. It'll either be Kerry or Edwards.

[The Magistrate]

18. One Caveat, My Friend

These people are not Democrats. They desire nothing more than the destruction of the Democratic Party; even opposition to the worst reactionary elements grouped under the standard of the Republican Party takes a secondary place to this over-riding goal. They wish to see a victory by the Republicans, for they imagine this will leave them in charge on the left, and that the people will turn to them for succor against reactionary depredations. No such thing will happen, of course; such cranks are doomed to a life of isolation and impotence, but it is characteristic of the perverse state of mind they cultivate to be unable to acknowldege this. Meanwhile they will keep up their busy little labor of collaborating with the Republicans, echoing their attack lines against Democrats, blaming Democrats for what Republicans do, and coming no closer to actual denunciation of the Republicans than to say Democrats are just like them. The fact is, they treasure the Republican Party as the thing they hope will destroy the Democratic Party for them, and will waste none of their effort on criticism of the Republicans.

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[DuctapeFatwa]

21. When the majority of the voters in any country would rather spend a dollar

to kill somebody else's children than a dime to buy medical treatment for their own, whether the policy is articulated in pretty words by a telegenic ectomorph or stuttered out by a mental defective is the least of your problems.

[NNN0LHI]

25. Here is where you and I differ

While I agree with your original premise our paths to the changing of minds differs. When one has the power they have the voice. When they have the voice they have the message. When they have the message they have the minds. When you have the minds you have everything.

My way to pull our country from the mindset of the "majority of the voters in any country would rather spend a dollar to kill somebody else's children than a dime to buy medical treatment for their own" is one brick at a time. It is a slow arduous process but no other workable plan has ever been expressed on this board or anywhere that I have seen.

If the day comes when someone can express to me in an actual working model rather than flowery rhetoric to accomplish this goal I promise that I will be all ears. And I will be on your side too. But the plan has to be workable, and will have to include defeating Bush in November.

Don

[DuctapeFatwa]

27. The working model would be to just stop doing A and start doing B

I think you made a good point in another thread the other day that got locked. You were talking about some old guys in a barbershop.

They just don't want that much change in their lives, you said. And you are right, and that is my point.

Voice and baby steps and let's kill just a few more children are as irrelevant as any other rhetoric.

The crisis has been allowed to coast along snugly tucked in to its status quo sleigh, on rhetoric, and more rhetoric for so long that I do not think that a political solution is realistic.

In the event that the other nations in the world do not tire of sitting on their butts passing the time watching their citizens kidnapped while they await the buzz of B-52s over THEIR capitals, Peak Oil will make the decision for you.

It would be my preference that the US make it for itself, thus increasing your chances of living to a ripe old age, and that of your grandchildren of being born in the first place, and enjoying living conditions that bear less resemblance to Rwanda.

If the old guys in the barber shop don't want a lot of change, it is unlikely that they will be enthusiastic about living in the same conditions as a Ugndan teenager fleeing LURD.

[NNN0LHI]

30. That is my point. What? I am going to go force these guys to go...

..."taking it to the streets with me"? They would cut my fucking throat I start talking that shit. And I ain't joking. I have to schmooze, cajole, and kiss all kinds of big ass with old guys like these to get them to vote Dem in November. But I can do it. I start talking about dead babies and all that stuff and I may as well save my breath. We need to change minds. One at a time.

Don

[DuctapeFatwa]

36. My point is that you and they both have the same lack of choices

Change your government. Not the figurehead, on-camera meat - your government, as bush's favorite toilet paper empowers you to do.

Leave if you have the money

Do as bush has ordered the Haitians to do, and remain in place waiting quietly for slaughter.

[genius]

29. Thank you.

You make the point exactly.

[absyntheNsugar]

37. Funny :)

and apropos