Kerry being a hypocrite again

[cbua34]

Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, frequently calls companies and chief executives "Benedict Arnolds" if they move jobs and operations overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes.

But Kerry has accepted money and fundraising assistance from top executives at companies that fit the candidate's description of a notorious traitor of the American Revolution.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6884-2004Feb25.html

[corporatewhore]

1. why am i not suprised

[snoochie]

2. With all the whining over 'bashing' and 'attacks', I have to ask...

is this a fair question?

an attack?

a bash?

[sangha]

6. I think it's a fair question.

And I see no problem with taking money from the enemy. I only see a problem if there's a quid quo pro, and I see none here.

[YNGW]

3. I guess their money is good enough for him.

nc

[David Dunham]

4. JK took money only from individual employees, not companies

Wise up people. Accepting an individual contribution is a lot different than endorsing that person's employer!!

[YNGW]

8. Yeah, nothing flaky here.

Just look the other way.

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"Kerry has accepted money and fundraising assistance from top executives at companies that fit the candidate's description of a notorious traitor of the American Revolution.

Executives and employees at such companies have contributed more than $140,000 to Kerry's presidential campaign, a review of his donor records shows. Additionally, two of Kerry's biggest fundraisers, who together have raised more than $400,000 for the candidate, are top executives at investment firms that helped set up companies in the world's best-known offshore tax havens, federal records show."

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Gee, I wonder why they would contribute to Kerry? It wouldn't have anything to do with continuing to secure those offshore tax havens now would it?

[blm]

13. HAHAH. Kerry WROTE the legislation AGAINST those offshore banks.

Or didn't you know that?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

[YNGW]

15. Nice to know he can get his investment firm buddies to help him ...

... take advantage of those off-shore havens he wrote legislation against.

Kerry gets the last laugh......on you.

Spin only works on Wheel of Fortune. I don't play spin. TILT!?! Play again??

[blm]

20. Spin is EXACTLY what you did. You have no clue to kerry's real record...

you are spinning what was said in this artilce and implying (spinning) Kerry is corrupt. Well....provide SOME FACTS. Try playing FACTS.

[YNGW]

25. The facts are in front of your face.

Kerry's talking about "Benedict Arnold" companies, yet he takes money from some of the top people of those very companies. If you can't see that, there's nothing I can do to help. I assure you the American people won't be so blind as you hope they will be. You can pay the piper now, or pay later. It's written in stone. Either way, you'll pay. Choose.

[sangha]

28. I guess executives can't be liberals

So one tell Bill Gates, George Soros, David Geffen...

[jpgray]

32. LOL, already you have been taken for a stooge by the piece

You said:

"Kerry's talking about "Benedict Arnold" companies, yet he takes money from some of the top people of those very companies."

Actually, the WP article uses the word 'helped'--the people Kerry took money from are either 'employees' (who don't direct a company) or 'executives' from companies that 'helped' companies move offshore. So he didn't take money from executives who moved their company offshore, he took money from 'employees' or 'executives' from companies that 'helped' move a company offshore.

Looks like the article did exactly what it was intended to do in your case. It obfuscated the facts, and you interpreted it exactly the way the article intended you would.

[blm]

41. No. IMPLICATIONS are in front of my face.

You have yet to provide a fact that proves Kerry is corrupt with corporate money as you imply.

[sangha]

42. More like INNUENDO

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[jpgray]

22. Strange quid pro quo, hurting those that supposedly 'bought' him

You'll note the snake-like WP article sneaks in 'employees' as well as executives, and these companies whose 'employees' donated to Kerry only 'helped' move companies to Bermuda. What does 'helping' mean? Do you know? If you don't, why are you sure that you have been given all the facts by a duplicitous WP piece?

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. Was that before or after Heinz moved their corporate offices offshore?

[sangha]

29. Heinz moved their corporate offices offshore?

Is that Heinz Corp, or Theresa Heinz?

[NC_Nurse]

5. I was so disappointed

that he backed the marriage amendment in Mass, this does not surprise me.
:-(
I guess it's gonna be another hold your nose and vote year.

[sangha]

7. Not true

For one thing, there is no marriage amendment to support in MA. They're stilla rguing over what it should say.

Two, he hasn't backed an amendment. He said he might, depending on the language, back an amendment.

Do you always confuse possibility with reality?

[blm]

9. Individual donors who can give as much as I can. $1000 and $2000

at a time.

Did Kerry let those donors write legislation? No. Did they influence his votes? Look at his excellent pro-environment record and his 91% prolabor record. Look at his legislation that promoted SMALL BUSINESS interests OVER the interests of corporations. The large corps. weren't thrilled with his efforts at crafting the Kyoto Protocol, either.

Is this just intended to SMEAR Kerry with implications INSTEAD of giving the whole clear picture?

[Sinistrous]

27. You really must stop trying to inject facts into this discussion.

It gets in the way of the ideological purists' orgy of self-rightousness.

[tobius]

10. Doesn't Heinz have overseas manufacturing to take advantage of

lower costs?

[sangha]

12. No

but don't let the facts stop you from repeating it

[turnhardleft]

17. Yes, Heinz has 57 plants outside of the USA

don't let the facts stop you from denying it.

[Sinistrous]

30. And they even brag about them

right on their bottles of ketchup (or at least they used to).

[sangha]

33. They? Theresa Heinz has been cloned?

Or are you conflating Theresa Heinz with the corporation in order to mislead people?

[sangha]

31. No, Theresa Heinz does not have 57 plants outside the US

but that won't stop you from misleading people into thinking the Heinz you refer to is Theresa Heinz and not the Heinz Corp

[turnhardleft]

37. You saying Theresa Heinz does not have income from Heinz Corp?

That would be a very silly thing to say. I know she only has close to a Billion dollars at her disposal but I don't think she is better than me because of it.

[sangha]

39. Changing the subject?

Before we move onto another issue, why don't we settle the one you've already raised? Could it be because you have been busted?

try and answer a simple question: Is the Heinz that moved those plant overseas Theresa Heinz, or is it Heinz Co?

[turnhardleft]

44. As soon as you accept that Theresa Heinz profits from Heinz Corp.

The sooner the better.

[sangha]

45. Changing the subject? Or at least trying?

It's a simple question:

Is the Heinz that moved those plant overseas Theresa Heinz, or is it Heinz Co?

[tobius]

26. facts?, just the facts

"The Kerry family business, H.J. Heinz Co. of Pittsburgh, operates 22 factories in the United States and 57 in foreign countries."

A quick check of the Heinz corporate Web site seems to confirm the fact that the Democratic presidential front-runner's family fortune derives from one of America's worst corporate traitors, at least according to the way Kerry defines the term.

Under World Locations, the Heinz Corp. Web site lists plants throughout the Third World, including the Middle East, Africa, Southern Africa, the Pacific Rim and Asia.

The company once owned by Mrs. Heinz Kerry's late husband seems to particularly favor the employee pool in Asia, where workers come dirt cheap and slave labor is not unknown.



HEINZ SINGAPORE PTE. LTD.
Established 2001
Republic of Singapore
Factory: Singapore
Major Product Lines: chili sauces/ketchup/preserved beans/soy sauces.
Brand Names and Trademarks: SinSin.


HEINZ-UFE LTD.
Established 1984
Guangzhou, People's Republic of China
Factory: Guangzhou
Major Product Lines: cereals for infants.
Brand Name and Trademark: Heinz.


HEINZ COSCO
Established 1999
Qingdao, People's Republic of China
Factory: Qingdao
Major Product Lines: infant foods/ketchup/mayonnaise/puree.
Brand Name and Trademark: Heinz.


HEINZ WIN CHANCE LTD.
Established 1987
Bangkok, Thailand
Factory: Bangplee
Major Product Lines: chili sauce/ketchup/oyster sauce.
Brand Name and Trademark: Heinz.


HEINZ INDIA PRIVATE LIMITED
Acquired 1994
Mumbai, India
Factory: Aligarh/Bangalore
Major Product Lines: glucose powders/infant feeding
products/ketchup/medicated powders/milk-based beverages.
Brand Names and Trademarks: Complan/Farex/Glucon-D/
Heinz/Nycil/Sampriti.


PT HEINZ ABC INDONESIA
Established 1999
Jakarta, Indonesia
Factories: Daan Mogot, Jakarta; Karawang Timur; Pasuruan
Major Product Lines: chili sauce/fruit drink concentrates/ ketchup/soy sauces.
Brand Name and Trademark: ABC.


PT HEINZ SUPRAMA
Acquired 1997
Surabaya, Indonesia
Factory: Sidoarjo
Major Product Lines: noodles/noodle snacks.
Brand Names and Trademarks: Burung Dara/Heinz.


HEINZ UFC PHILIPPINES
Established 2000
Manila, the Philippines
Factories: Cabuyao Laguna; Davao City
Major Product Lines: banana ketchup/hot sauce/sweet chili sauce/tomato ketchup.
Brand Names and Trademarks: Jufran/Mafran/Papa/UFC.


HEINZ HONG KONG LIMITED
Established 2000
Wanchai, Hong Kong

[sangha]

35. I'd like a link to your misleading propoganda

Heinz Co is NOT a "Kerry family" business; It's a Heinz family business. Kerry married someone who married a Heinz

BTW, is she an officer or employee of the company?

[turnhardleft]

38. Tarasa is rich beyond any of our dreams

I don't worship royal rich and better-than-thou families. If she wants to preach to me about wasting fuel while she jaunts around in private jets and limos I don't have to like it or accept it. ABB has its limits.

[sangha]

40. Changing the subject?

You said that Heinz Co is a "Kerry family business". Are you willing to admit your mistake, or will you continue to try and distract attention from your mistake by raising other issues?

[tobius]

43. couple of links. plenty more, try google.

http://www.heinz.com/jsp/di/corp_pro2003/corpProfile9.jsp

http://www.heinz.com/jsp/di/corp_pro2003/corpProfile7.jsp

CENTRAL EASTERN EUROPE AND MIDDLE EAST

Factories: Poland: Miedzychód, Pudliszki, Wodzislaw; Russia: Georgievsk
Major Product Lines: corn/diced fruits/dry desserts/dry soups/infant cereals/kus kus/peas/quick-serve meals/ready meals/sauces and condiments.
Brand Names and Trademarks: Miedzychód/Pudliszki/
Sunar/Sunarka/Wodzislaw.


HEINZ POLSKA Sp. Z.O.O.
Established 1994
Warsaw, Poland

PUDLISZKI S.A.
Acquired 1997
Pudliszki, Poland

WODZISLAW, S.A.
Acquired 2000
Wodzislaw, Poland

MIEDZYCHOD S.A.
Acquired 2000
Miedzychod, Poland

HEINZ C.I.S.
Established 1994
Moscow, Russia

HEINZ GEORGIEVSK
Established 1994
Georgievsk, Russia

CAIRO FOOD INDUSTRIES SAE
Established 1992
Cairo, Egypt

HEINZ REMEDIA LIMITED
Established 1999
Tel Aviv, Israel

STAR-KIST FOOD D'OR LIMITED
Acquired 2000
Haifa, Israel

[sangha]

46. "The Kerry family business, H.J. Heinz Co. of Pittsburgh..."

I don't see the above text anywhere in those links. I thought my post made it clear that I was objecting to the mischaracterization of Heinz Co as a "Kerry family business" since that was the only part of the post I objected to.

[tobius]

47. at your command

Sen. Kerry, like the last JFK from Massachusetts to serve as commander in chief, is also extremely wealthy. We estimate his family fortune at $525 million, which would make him, if elected, the third-richest president ever. But the key word is "family." The Kerry money comes from his wife, Theresa Heinz Kerry, who inherited it from her late husband, Sen. John Heinz III of the Heinz food family.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2004/02/13/cx_da_0213kerry.html


By the way, the Kerry family business, H.J. Heinz Co. of Pittsburgh, operates 22 factories in the United States and 57 in foreign countries. I don't think that Kerry should shut down The Heinz 57, but he might drop the rhetoric and talk about trade responsibly. http://www.instapundit.com/archives/014097.php

[w4rma]

11. Beware calls to tie Dems' hands behind their back.

Wars aren't won by using Marquis of Queensberry Rules while your opponent uses every dirty trick in the book.

[turnhardleft]

18. Then he should not preach against his actions.

I have had enough lying leaders in my time. Honesty rules.

[w4rma]

34. When and what was this sermon and what actions do you refer to? (n/t)

[jpgray]

14. How many times is this trash going to be posted here?

Somerby already thoroughly debunked this in today's Daily Howler.

[John_H]

16. Did you see the article about the Freepers' teeth dropping out?

what's up with that?

[revcarol]

19. The 91% labor record "conveniently" avoids the fact that he voted for

ALL the trade agreements that are accelerating our manufacturing jobs overseas.EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE.

As for the bundling from dubious sources, I ask you: If your superior went around saying,"I'm collecting for Kerry. The maximum you can contribute is $2000." and you had $2000, would you be such a fool as NOT to contribute and contribute the maximum?

The source is STILL dubious and THE IMPLIED COERCION factor is still there.

He would be better off to refuse these bundled funds. But he's not that ethical.IMHO.

[sadiesworld]

21. I urge you to read the last few days of the Daily Howler....

they pick it apart and show it for the BS that it is,

[tryanhas]

23. Is is really necessary to use the word...

..."AGAIN," when flip flopper, a nice way to say hypocrite, is what you "ARE."

If it's what he "IS," then he never stops being it...

[sangha]

36. Still working on that credibility I see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x403237#403302