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tryanhas Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:31 PM
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I love this poll...
http://surveyusa.com/2004_Elections/NC040226presmatchup.pdf

Just let some more polls come out from Red States in the south, and you will see Edwards doing better in all of those states than Kerry, and Kerry still has more name recognition in those states than Edwards does. That means, that if Edwards is doing better with less name recognition than Kerry, Kerry is not appealing to "southern voters" at all.

And WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW look, even Edwards did better among "BLACKS" than Kerry did, just like I told you yesterday.

Blacks are voting for Kerry for the same reason that Democrats are voting for Kerry, "CAN BEAT BUSH". They don't like Kerry more than Edwards, they are just going with the same "INEVITABILITY" decision that other Democratic voters are.

Blacks, IN A GUT FEELING, connect well with Edwards, not Kerry, and I know from first hand/face to face experience.

Wow!!!

Look at the hispanic break down:

Bush 48
Kerry 48

Bush 34
Edwards 66

I guess, hispanics certainly love Kerry a lot more than Edwards, like you all said.

NNNNK! Same thing applies for hispanics that I said for blacks. Kerry is getting their votes in these primaries, but they don't "LOVE" him.

And sure, this may be Edwards' home state, but if blacks and hispanics had the "AFFINITY" for John Kerry that you all say that he does, he should at least be doing better among hispanics than Bush is.

One more WOW, for Edwards:

Not vote in 2000 (New voters)
Bush 37%
Edwards 57%

Vote Bush in 2000
Bush 79%
Edwards 20% of Bush's votes!

Other 2000 (voted for someone other than Bush or Gore)
Bush 20%
Edwards 69% (take that Ralph Nader or anyone else!!!)

WOW!!!

I love it when I am proven correct. I have said many times that if Edwards is the nominee, he will win North Carolina easily, because you will have the largest voter turnout in the history of North Carolina and that bodes well for Democrats.

Just look at the NEW VOTERS. Look at the Bush voters who will vote for Edwards.

And this is just a poll with Edwards having a hard time of being the nominee.

If he gets the nomination, his numbers would go up to 10%+ over Bush, forcing Bush to spend time and money in NORTH CAROLINA AND SOUTH CAROLINA, where Edwards was born, because Edwards would win both North and South Carolina.

EDWARDS ALSO DID BETTER AMONG MILITARY FAMILIES THAN BUSH DID, WHICH KERRY DID NOT and in the Wisconsin primary, Edwards got a larger percentage of the NATIONAL SECURITY VOTE than Kerry did.

Southern Democrats voted for the DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER in DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES, even in Virginia and Tennessee, the voters were over 75% Democrats, and it's not like it's "STRANGE" for a southern Democrat to vote for a northeastern Democrat.

Don't let DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS IN THE SOUTH confuse you with "southern voters."

Southern Democrats are just one of many different groups of southerners, and most southerners will never vote for Kerry.

Peace, library about to close...
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:47 PM
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1. We need to forget the south this year
"Southern Democrats are just one of many different groups of southerners, and most southerners will never vote for Kerry." Or any other Democrat. Bush could strangle children on nationwide TV and still carry the south. The election will be won by keeping the "blue" Gore states and adding one more, preferably Ohio, but W. Virginia would also do it. Or New Hampshire, or Arizona. The south is lost to us this time around.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:53 PM
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3. I think we have a good shot in Louisiana.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:49 PM
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2. Kerry won strong support among all kinds of voters
Kerry won strong support Tuesday among all kinds of voters and on all kinds of issues. He won just under half the white votes in Virginia and nearly two-thirds of the black vote.

He also led his rivals regardless of whether voters said their top concerns were jobs, health care, Iraq or overall experience.

He built a large lead among those Democrats who said the main quality they looked for in candidates was the ability to defeat Bush. Among those voters in Virginia, three out of four voted for Kerry, according to exit polls. Among those voters in Tennessee, Kerry edged Edwards by a ratio of nearly 2-to-1 and Clark by a slightly larger ratio.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2004_0211c.html




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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:17 PM
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4. I am afraid the South will need to come to us...
And I believe a few states will. But we can't take a chance on Edwards, who is a trial lawyer (Negative baggage)and kind of a lightweight.

The GOP would beat him to death with national security and for being, well, an ambulance chaser.

One final thing. He comes from a right to work state, for all his talk of humble beginnings and feeling the pain of outsourced workers...I have never heard his position on right to work, I wonder what it is?

I think Kerry is more concerned about carrying Ohio, WV and New Hampshire. Were John Edwards the candidate, he would do the same. If we change the Democrat Party enough to accomodate the South, we might as well all be republicans.

No, the South must come to us. They need us more than we need them.
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tryanhas Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:49 PM
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6. He was a "TRIAL LAWYER" before he got elected...
...to the Senate in CONSERVATIVE North Carolina, duh.

And wasn't Kerry a lawyer as well, last time I checked...
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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 12:02 AM
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9. Yea...but weren't the 'trials' mostly over damages?
To individuals? Basically what I meant, part of what's wrong with healthcare, are the liability lawsuits for damages doctors and hospitals have to pay to individuals-it has gotten out of hand...part of why costs are so high and getting higher.

The GOP will easily attach an 'ambulance chaser' tag to John Edwards, and with his rather light resume in other areas he won't have a prayer. Kerry is the one they are afraid of.

I think Edwards would make a good Attorney General, and maybe he can run later. But for now, he is too much of a lightweight-IMO.

Kerry was a lawyer, but there are many areas of the law to specialize in. I'm not sure but I think he may have been in criminal law...I heard him mention sending people to jail.
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tryanhas Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:06 AM
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10. And what I meant is...
...it didn't even stick in North Carolina, and it's definitely not going to stick nationally.

You should be more worried about Kerry's flip flops than John Edwards' profession.

Kerry's Terrorism proposal is all about "INTELLIGENCE" but he voted against on Intelligence proposal after another while in the Senate.

He is easier to "PAINT" as something than John Edwards' career, which is SPOTLESS, as the GOP discovered back in 1998 when they tried to use it against him.
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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 01:24 PM
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12. If all they have is Kerry's voting record...
To run against him on, this election will be a slamdunk for us. We have eight months to explain those votes, which were individually valid.

Like I said, I think there should be a place for Edwards...just not at the head of the ticket. The reason he is so sqeaky clean, is because he hasn't DONE much. I haven't done much in politics either, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to be president-just the opposite, in fact.

As to his national appeal...we will see on Super Tuesday. If he does well, maybe I'm wrong, but I think next tuesday, he is done.

But make no mistake, if Edwards can somehow beat Kerry, I'll vote for Edwards-and argue for him just as hard as you are. Lol...ABB.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:25 PM
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5. SUSA polls are usually squirreled.
To squirrel- to be outside the mainstream when compared to other judges or polls.

Example: if three debate judges rank a team 1 1 6 (1 being the best), the "6" judge is the squirrel.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:17 PM
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7. I'm glad you're right! :-)
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:20 PM
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8. Hearing this information you got to be crazy to not vote for JE.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:11 AM
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11. I have a problem with who conducted the poll. Could it be
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 11:13 AM by littlejoe
that they have a vested interest in their homegrown boy?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 01:36 PM
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13. I getting a little tired of the south
controlling who gets nominated and then elected.
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