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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 06:38 PM
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Poll: Gay Marriage Is Big Voter Issue
WASHINGTON - Gay marriage is a more powerful social issue for voters than either abortion or gun control, a new poll suggests.

Four in 10 voters say they would not vote for a candidate who disagrees with them on gay marriage, even if they agree with the candidate on most other issues, according to a poll released Friday by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

Only a third in the poll, 34 percent, felt they would not vote for a candidate who disagrees with them on abortion even if they agree on other issues and 32 percent who felt that way about a candidate who disagrees with them on gun control.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=548&e=3&u=/ap/20040227/ap_on_el_ge/gay_marriage_voters
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 06:40 PM
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1. well i think bush has already got the homophobe vote and we should stop
trying to pander to bigots
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:07 PM
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12. who is pandering? n/t
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POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 06:41 PM
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2. Shrub can't win on his record so he's relying on wedge issues
What a leader eh?
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:02 PM
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3. anyone know what percentage of USA
population is gay??
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:12 PM
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4. 4-7%...
but the data is highly unreliable...
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:11 PM
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13. less than 1%
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:16 PM
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15. Where did you get that number??
Less than 1%?? On what planet?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:08 PM
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20. The 1% Figure Is From Some "Study" (Largely Discredited)
that did nothing to preserve the anonymity of the subject being surveyed... further it was taken at a time when America was even MORE hostile to Queer Americans than now.

So in reality, the 1% you hear quoted so often means that BACK THEN, only 1% was willing to openly admit and confide their sexuality to a stranger with a clipboard and a pen.

In other words... it's BULLSHIT. But I think you knew that already. :hi: I was just elaborating.

-- Allen
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:21 PM
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17. I think its higher
I base that on the commercial recognition of gays. TV shows, advertisments etc that are either geared or at least friendly to gays. So I think the 4-7% number is very believable.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:20 PM
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5. It is the new abortion...
...when calling voters, it used to be that I had the longest conversations trying to make pro-life people vote Dem, but now it's trying to reassure the anti-gay marriage people...
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:24 PM
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6. Must be a poll down down south. Why the hell can't they just live and
let live? I'm sick of the rPIGs making an issue of gays and lesbians.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:26 PM
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7. If you look at the details of the poll
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 07:33 PM by incapsulated
 
 
This is the most important statistic: 25% of Democrats and 24% of Independents say they would not vote for a candidate who was in favor of gay marriage. Republicans doubled that at 50%.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=204

 
 

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:23 PM
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18. I don't think that is accurate
People don't always answer poll questions the same way, their opinions change depending on how the question is asked or in what context.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:28 PM
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8. This confirms exactly what I have been saying...
Like it or not, wedge issue or no, this gay marriage story is going to help Bush. Bush's position is very clear, Americans will now identify him as being against gay marriage. Kerry, and many other Democrats positions are unclear, and many Americans will believe they basically support it.

Kerry's position is untenable. He says he is against gay marriage, yet he voted against the DOMA. I don't believe Kerry is really against gay marriage, and the public won't believe it either.

The American public is just not ready for this. Force it on them before they are ready, defy the obvious will of the people in the way that is happening in California, and a terrible backlash very well may occur.

This is just not a good issue for Democrats this year.

As I've said dozens of times, I am supporter of gay marriage, but some wrongs can not be corrected overnight. No good will come of what is happening now.

Imajika
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:34 PM
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9. correct....MA court and SF mayor kinda
put it on the table
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 07:38 PM
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10.  New Paltz, NY, too
I think there may be several more cities/towns that might jump on board with this to bring the issue to the courts.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:00 PM
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11. yes..I heard about a place in AZ or somewhere
else that's going to start doing it too
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:25 PM
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22. I agree
I think Bush put this wedge issue out there, The activists went nuts with it, & the Dems will be the losers in the long run.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:18 PM
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16. Jobs is the key issue. Bush's amendment isn't a pocketbook issue.
Dems should focus on the outsourcing of jobs. Marriage is a state issue.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:51 PM
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25. The American public was not ready for desegregation either!
The American public is just not ready for this. Force it on them before they are ready...

Neither the American public nor President Kennedy were ready for desegregation when Bull Connor unleashed his dogs on civil rights marchers. Kennedy had his brother authorize FBI wiretaps of Martin Luther King, so fearful were they of civil unrest.

If we had to wait for the public to be ready for anything, we would still have slavery!
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:14 PM
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14. Jobs is the controlling issue, not gay marriage
In the end, people will vote their pocketbooks. Also most people will realize that amending the constitution is bad.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:51 PM
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19. that amendment talk is just a feint
red meat for the base...they won't push for amendment (that was #21 out of 22 issues) in this or some other poll
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:40 PM
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24. Bingo. They just want everyone to talk about it. Which is why
dems should demand a vote tomorrow.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:18 PM
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21. Dems can stop it in three days.
Using the only tactic that works with media whores-calling them on their shilling real time on air. All they gotta say is this:

"We've all stated our position a hundred times and it hasn't changed. Look (media whore du jour), you may want to help Bush start a culture war for political gain, but I don't. You may want to help him avoid being held accountable for jobs yada yada yada..."

Embarrass enough of them on air with a united front while simultaneously using it as a springboard to attack their fearless leader, and they'll shed it faster than a freeper sheds tooth enamel
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:27 PM
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23. freep dental providers
mutual fund...:yourock:
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:57 PM
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26. I actually agree with CNN's Bill Schneider.
He recommends that our candidate use the Republican Senators against the amendment as a protective shield. There are so many GOP senators who still won't vote for the amendment, and appearing to be in-line with them could make our candidate look more "moderate."

That having been said, I really think that the voters obsessed with this issue aren't going to vote Democratic anyway.
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