How many outraged with Kerry’s stand on gay marriage never liked Kerry?

[MurikanDemocrat]

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[sangha]

1. So many outrage by Kerry, but Dean's non-support for gay marriage is OK

:shrug:

[Sly Kal]

4. What does Dean have to do with this?

Is Dean the new "Clinton's penis" for you?

[molly]

5. A lot of posters think Dean has a lot to do with

everything - he is the "savior".

[MurikanDemocrat]

9. Most people OUTRAGED with Kerry's position on gay marriage

are Dean supporters who think Dean has a different position. He has the SAME position on gay marriage.

That those most OUTRAGED with Kerry's postion on gay marriage are under the impression that Dean has an altruistic position is a joke:

Dean stand on gay rights and civil unions BEFORE the Vermont court decision in Dec 2000?:

snip from 12/20/2000


"Early assumptions following the Court’s December 20 decision were that domestic partnership is the only real plan of action. Governor Howard Dean has said on several occasions that he would support domestic partnership legislation, but is uncomfortable with the idea of actual gay marriage. Dean has recently clarified his position, declaring in a radio interview, “I’m against gay marriage.” "


http://www.mountainpridemedia.org/feb2000/news_centerstage.htm

snip

In the interview the Governor stated, "Since nothing is going to happen on this issue in the legislature until the court speaks there's no particular reason for me to take a public position on it." His attempt to link whether he makes his positions public to the actions of other branches of government is illogical and insulting. Failing any sense of responsibility on his part, the insistence of OITM and its readers' voting power should give him the "particular reason" he needs to decide to make his position public. Would environmental groups accept a refusal to take a position on clearcutting, NARAL a demur from supporting or opposing abortion, or even Wall Street a "no opinion yet" on capital gains taxes?

Clearly, Dean is either still waiting for the polling data to tell him his position, or he's seen it, and knows you wouldn't like it. But on an issue of fundamental civil rights, shouldn't "no position" or "secret position" be just as bad as the wrong position? The Governor is either with the GLBT community or he's against it. So far, he sure isn't with it.

More: http://www.mountainpridemedia.org/jul98/deanoped.htm



Where did Dean stand on gay marriage AFTER the court decision?:
“The Legislature will pass a domestic partnership bill and I’m comfortable with that,” Gov. Howard Dean said.

What was more interesting was what he was not comfortable with.

“It makes me uncomfortable, the same as anybody else,” Dean said of gay marriage. “The 4,000-year-old tradition of heterosexual marriage being an institution is something I think you have to respect. I think there are a lot of people in this state who are uncomfortable about the concept of gay marriage.”

There are thousands more who are not uncomfortable and at least some legislative leaders said they would be willing to consider enacting a marriage statute.

More: http://www.mountainpridemedia.org/jan2000/news_scyes.htm

[arcos]

10. Check out the results...

most of the outraged are Kerry and Kucinich supporters...

[CTLawGuy]

12. thats weird

Dean doesn't favor a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage and Kerry does...

Exactly the same, of course, never mind.

[arcos]

24. Are you gonna accept you are wrong??

Read the results, and read what your post says...

[revcarol]

2. You're really getting that push-polling down pat.

x

[bryant69]

13. Yep.

Well it is more or less inconcievable that a "real" Democrat would agree with Kerry's statement.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Hav]

3. lol

MuricanDemocrat, you are starting to really amuse me lol .

[MurikanDemocrat]

6. I aim to please.

:D

[Hav]

7. thx,thx

I enjoy your posts.
And you gave me my sigline. ;-)

[MurikanDemocrat]

8. I noticed! I am honored!!!

I just mentioned it in another post!

That is my pat answer for about a dozen threads now. I modified it once to say "Vote for Bush, spare us the bullshit", but that was a special case. :D

[XanaDUer]

17. That line is a classic.

Eom.

[MurikanDemocrat]

11. kick for the day crew

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. Well would you look at that!

Kerry's own supporters are pissed at his anti gay marriage positions. Of course, with Kerry you always have the comfort of knowing that he can always change his mind - several times a day.

[Hav]

15. well

With polls like these, you never know who really voted.
Could have been supporters of other candidates as well, no one knows.

[MurikanDemocrat]

16. More telling are the votes that didn't support him to begin with,

[maxanne]

18. why

are you spamming the board with a zillion threads about this, Murrikan Democrat?

[MurikanDemocrat]

19. Six, not a zillion

Because there are several aspects to the Kerry hatred that I wish to expose.

The point being, the only ones OUTRAGED about Kerry's poistion on gay marriage are non-gay Dean supporters who never gave a SHIT about this issue 2 years ago.

Also, Kerry's position is EXACTLY THE SAME as Deans and Edwards

[maxanne]

20. six

may not be a zillion, but it consitutes spamming the board, imo - and does little to add credibility to your candidate.

How do you know that the only ones outraged by Kerry's position are non-gay Dean supporters who never gave a shit about this issue 2 years ago? Have you been talking to Miss Cleo or something?

How dare you make such an insulting statement? You have absolutely no way of knowing any such thing.

[Hav]

21. .

When these polls are such a problem for you, I have a very promising solution for you.
Go to "Ask the Administrators" forums.
Then you can start a thread there and bring it to the Moderators.
Like a thread asking how many are outraged about these polls or something like that.

[maxanne]

22. thanks so much

for your solution, Hav. When free speech is a problem for you, I have a very promising solution for you. Go to the Kerrys of the world. Then you can ask for a repeal of the first amendment, since you are so outraged by free speech or something like that.

[Hav]

23. .

I don't have a problem with free speech.
You were the one who attacked the poster for spamming and therefore maybe you have a problem with free speech?
Further, these are forums in the www, moderated by Admins/Mods so "free speech" doesn't apply here in the first place.

[maxanne]

27. well thanks again

Hav, for explaining things to me. I've only been here since 2001.

Feel free to address whatever your actual issue with me is.

[Hav]

28. .

No problem, I always like to be helpful, even those who are here since, oh gosh, 2001 ! No shit?
For someone who has been sooo long here, you should also know that your First Amendment means nothing on a message board like this where Moderators determine what is acceptable and what not.You can cry to them about repealing the First Amendment like the Kerrys ..:eyes: The fantasies some people have.

I don't really have an actual issue with you, I will give you even another great hint: When you don't like a thread, just hide it, don't kick it.That easy ,it's matter of seconds! That's why you have that option.

[maxanne]

29. gee you are awfully helpful

I've noticed your helpfulness on several of the polling threads.
I look forward to the day when I rate a sycophant.


I'm sorry you're having difficulty with reading comprehension. I wasn't suggesting anything about mods or DU and First Amendment issues. I was speaking to you personally.

[Hav]

30. .

And I am sorry that you cannot grasp the simple concept of hiding threads you don't like. It's really laughable how you complain about that thread, yet you kick it again and again to the top instead of just hiding it. :thumbsup:

[maxanne]

31. I am sorry

that you can't grasp the idea that I am ignoring - ignoring your suggestions. It's quite amusing, actually.

[arcos]

25. non-gay Dean supporters?

You are repeating the same claim??

For god's sake, LOOK AT THE RESULTS!

You made a poll to prove your point... and the poll makes evident you were wrong... but you stick to your original point... WTF?

[MAlibdem]

26. This poll is just one big Logical Fallacy

It assumes people are outraged, and provides them with no alternative.

Personally, I'm disappointed but certainly not outraged by Sen Kerry's position. I think he made his decision based on personal, Catholic beliefs, which do not coincide with my own. I wish he would reconsider, but I do not see this issue as a make or break in my personal decision to support a candidate.