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Tue Jan-22-08 11:00 AM
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How can we not elect this man? |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:02 AM
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In another week or two, he'll be gone from the race, leaving the two serious candidates.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:03 AM
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3. Leaving two, neither of which can beat McCain. |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:08 AM
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8. Dude, it's going to be Huckabee |
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when push comes to shove, they're not going to put forward someone that elderly. His advanced age is a huge huge liability.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:14 AM
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16. It won't be Huckabee -- |
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Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:24 AM by Emit
too many of the Repubs think he's RINO
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Thu Jan-24-08 09:10 AM
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59. I think it's going to be Romney |
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McCain has made too many enemies on his side of the aisle and Huckabee is broke.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:35 AM
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32. Didn't bother Raygun voters. |
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Tue Jan-22-08 01:46 PM
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48. Only because they didn't know for sure how senile the old bastard was |
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in retrospect, he was deranged by huge gaping holes in his cognition. I don't know if the voting public is going to risk another doddering old politician.
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Tue Jan-22-08 12:19 PM
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40. Nah, Huckabee was finished when he didn't win SC |
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It'll probably be McCain (hopefully not), but may be Romney (hopefully). If one of them wins FL, he's got it.
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Tue Jan-22-08 01:49 PM
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49. I don't see Romney nor McCain as repuke unifiers |
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in the same way that Huckabee is. Of course, I'd rather have the weakest possible candidate win for the Repukes, but who knows. In many ways, their race is way harder to call than our race.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:07 AM
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7. You must like things the way they are. |
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And congratulations, you're being a good little sheeple and following along just as the powers that be expect you to.
Barack has some serious issues facing him. In a word, Rezko.
Hillary will GOTV for the Republicans like no other Dem candidate.
Add to that election fraud, and you'll be welcoming President McHuckiani in January 2009!
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:09 AM
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10. That's right, Clinton/Obama vs Huckabee/someone in 2008 |
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First woman president! wooot
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:23 AM
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22. You just keep believing that if it makes you feel better. |
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But I don't think that's the way it's going to work out.
Follow the money, watch what the media is doing. If you open your mind, you can see what's going on, but most won't, which is what they're counting on.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:55 AM
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even if it takes a brokered convention "drama" to finish him. it is like a miserable shell game but you can tell which ones are barred. Romney gets to launch dirty attacks on Huckabee, the signal being sent: no no no, not that one my little GOP children. Guiliani is relying on Florida which shows where how lost in delusion his brain is. Jeb runs Romney's candidacy. McCain is still the ultimate fall guy. their hands are on the rug. In a brokered convention he will be moved to the side after first help dumping Huckabee if that nuisance is still around(having excited and lured the Christian Right back into the game).
Thompson and McCain are delightfully old and not completely there, the perfect foils for Bush infiltration and the wonderful opportunity of getting appointed back into the Oval Office. In the proper circumstances Jeb might even emerge in a brokered convention if assured Hillary and Bloomberg have set a nice table for the fall triple faux GOP festivities. In our party the chorus is trying to run the show. Not very good theater and makes little sense for the main actors. In the GOP one person writes and directs the whole show and makes good theater at least, controlling and moving all the major players like dangling puppets(and the thickness of the wood is excellent for risky maneuvers).
That one person would be the esteemed former Governor of Florida. Who will only emerge to take his plaudits after the play is done.
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Tue Jan-22-08 01:45 PM
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47. If Florida doesn't go McCain then it'll be Huckabee |
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Romney maybe, but I think that voters might be afraid of the whole Mormon thing if they are totally honest with themselves.
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Thu Jan-24-08 07:41 AM
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54. I think it's possible someone's been grooming Huckabee |
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He got to be governor as a result of Ken Starr's witch hunt in Arkansas in 1996-- he was lieutenant governor when Democrat Jim Guy Tucker was governor. They trumped up some charges against Tucker, and relied on the "testimony" of two known perjurers to remove him from office, paving the way for Huckabee to occupy the governor's mansion (and for much of the time, a triplewide trailer behind the governor's mansion). If the lieutenant governor had been a Democrat, there's no way Starr would have gone after Tucker.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:11 AM
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14. I can't take it! The depression is already setting in. What the Hell is wrong with some of us? |
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:shrug: :argh: President McHuckiani and VP Jeb Bu$h? Just shoot me now!
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Thu Jan-24-08 08:27 AM
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The two corporate whores you mean.
I am not voting for either of those assholes. DINO and an empty suit. No thanks.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:03 AM
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2. Because, it appears, we're more interested in name-calling and ridicule... |
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...than taking our country back.
NGU.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:03 AM
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4. Too not elect him would be a grave mistake. |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:06 AM
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5. Time to send him more money. |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:10 AM
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11. Good money after bad (nt) |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:10 AM
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:13 AM
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15. How is money sent to any Dem candidate "bad?" |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:23 AM
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21. It's only bad if he's about to drop out. |
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I think he'll be gone soon.
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Tue Jan-22-08 01:42 PM
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45. Edwards is gone because |
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he only competes for voters with Clinton--both are going after the so-called "traditional" democratic voter, the blue collar, working class voter. His demographic is not Obama's and he's not getting those voters, so the best he can hope for is to poach that percentage of voters who are not chasing Hillary on gender issues. So, basically, Edwards is in a hopeless position. Continuing to support him is an utter waste of money.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:11 AM
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More Money!!!! THAT'S what he needs! The solution to ALL of Edwards' problems! MORE MONEY!!!!!! The guy is polling in the mid teens NATIONALLY, has not won squat in ANY primary or caucus thus far and all he needs to get over the top is MORE MONEY!!!!!!!
Give me a freaking break. That adage of people having more money than sense is on display here.
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Tue Jan-22-08 12:10 PM
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37. He came in 2nd in Iowa |
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Tue Jan-22-08 12:58 PM
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42. Um, no money from corperate whores |
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NONE, whereas the other 2 are up to their eyeballs in payback cash.
Yeah, he needs money, from the people he will represent...US, even you.
So, yeah, lets just let him fade away, the billionaires want you to vote for someone else.
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Tue Jan-22-08 01:43 PM
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46. Yeah... those nasty billionaires want a black guy or a woman but not an |
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ambulance-chaser. Weird that, eh? Who'd have ever thought that those nasty old billionaires would be sooooooo progressive?
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Tue Jan-22-08 02:52 PM
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50. Ambulance-chaser? showing your ignorance there, I'm afraid |
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if you don't know what your talkin about, don't say anything.
Sounds like you got that one from the repukes...
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:07 AM
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6. Edwards has already been "Kuciniched". His supporters are just |
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still in denial. It is unfortunate, it is not a good thing for the country, but it is a fact. The Democratic ticket will be Clinton/Obama (it just feels right, doesn't it?) and the collapse will continue.
Is Clinton the Romulus Augustulus of the American Empire? She could very well be...
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:34 AM
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31. Interesting..... Kuciniched.... How exaclty do you see that? If we |
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understand this, we might be able to ignore this? Or is being Kuciniched being ignored?
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Tue Jan-22-08 12:10 PM
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38. Right. The MSM just ignores Edwards out of the running. They, |
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in effect, squeeze him out of the race. They effectively made Kucinich the invisible man and they are working on Edwards. The really insidious thing about this MSM maneuver is that there is nothing that can be done to stop it - there are no non-corporate media outlets sufficient to counter the MSM. I am afraid that it is a done deal. Already DUers are saying Edwards isn't a "serious" candidate - where does that come from? The same place it came from when the same thing was addressed to Kucinich. Sorry, I hate it, but it is already well under way...
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:09 AM
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9. because very honestly i think people have trouble believing him |
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he was so much more centrist/populist the last time around.
this is my belief.
regardless i like him and wouldnt at all mind if he won
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:21 AM
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20. He's admitted he was over-consulted last time. What amazes me... |
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...is that so many DUers are so quick to assume the worst, rather than accept that he's seen that political snakepit and has rejected it. I thought we were supposed to be the Party of redemption.
NGU.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:24 AM
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24. du'ers arent the ones responsible. he is VERY popular here. the general population however |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:27 AM
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27. Sorry, I haven't seen the hostility toward him from the general population... |
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...that I've seen from the trolls swarming all over DU lately. As far as the general population goes, I think post #17 below has it pegged.
NGU.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:28 AM
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28. yeah but is he winning in the general population? |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:30 AM
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30. Does post #17 below say he's winning in the general population? |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:44 AM
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34. post number 17 shows an extreme contempt towards democratic primary voters |
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not all of them are super educated about polticial issues what with having lives and all, but it hardly makes them stupid.
i think most people have trouble believing politicians to begin with, especially one that have done 180 degree changes in policy.
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Tue Jan-22-08 12:16 PM
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39. Well then most people have bought into the RW spin that "no politicians are trustworthy." |
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It's a good way of covering the fact that none of THEIR politicians are trustworthy.
And I apologize for not reading into #17 beyond the title. I vehemently disagree with the bone-headed stupidity comment. I meant to call your attention to the part about the public looking for something different.
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Tue Jan-22-08 12:46 PM
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41. And it is the TROLLS that have the hostility towards him here |
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Tue Jan-22-08 01:01 PM
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43. Alot of people I come in contact with |
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like him and his message.
But you wouldnt know it around here, makes me wonder who really is on this site...
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:26 AM
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26. I think he's over-consulted THIS time. |
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He's staked out a differentiating position (compared to Clinton and Obama) that is totally at odds with his voting record/speeches when he was a Senator and VP candidate.
He's doing the "marketing differentiation" thing, and it doesn't improve his credibility, IMO.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:29 AM
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29. QED. Supposed "Progressives" tripping over themselves to assume the worst. |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:16 AM
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17. Because a large percentage of American voters are looking for something else ...' the first _______' |
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to be elected president or just want to vote against their best interests because they like getting screwed.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:17 AM
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19. Right you are. Sadly. |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:17 AM
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18. Inspirational vids! Thanks |
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Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:22 AM by lyonn
Gonna send our next president some dollars today.
Ok, he probably won't win, but, I sent Biden dollars and knew his chances were slim. It's just nice to put your money where your mouth is.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:23 AM
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23. Too many DEm voters are more concerned with 'making history', than making sense. |
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:26 AM
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thanx.
Edwards vs McCain. Think about it.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:39 AM
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He'd make an excellent president.
Personally, I really wish he had been doing better. I would love this to have been an unpredictable 3 way race till the end. But I'm also a believer that the other 2 candidates would make great presidents as well.
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Tue Jan-22-08 11:48 AM
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35. The problem with Edwards |
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is simple...the kleptocracy does not want him there so he wont be there. Just like Kucinich. Do we all forget that democratic candidates actually won both 2000 and 2004 elections? But look whos in the White House. What makes anyone think 2008 will be any different? The fix is in. The media are doing their job quite well and soon Hillary will be the nominee so the criminal republican party can crank up the smear machine.
Sorry folks...my money is on a republican stealing another election. Thats what the kleptocracy wants and thats what they will get...at ANY cost. We are no longer a democracy...our votes are meaningless. Not saying we should not vote...Im saying history indicates it just doesnt matter.
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Tue Jan-22-08 01:07 PM
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44. The repukes don't NEED to steal it, they got a 2 D's that will |
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be beholden to them FOREVER...same ol shit.
Makes me wanna cry, seeing people just blindly do what they are told to do.
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Wed Jan-23-08 09:45 AM
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51. A fantasy post, jonnyra |
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The fact is that Democrats have rejected Edwards. No strong following, no impetus for the nomination.
It's not necessarily his positions on issues, IMO. It's his hard-to-believe campaign - standing for the opposite of what he stood for when he was Senator/VP candidate.
He would make a good president, IMO, and I think he'd win if Democrats believed in him. But he'll never gain the popularity needed to become the Democratic candidate.
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Thu Jan-24-08 07:13 AM
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52. All due respect robcon |
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Is it a fantasy that the republicans stole the last 2 elections? Is it fantasy that the media is clearly pushing Hillary on the public while silencing Edwards and Kucinich...there are studies out that show the stats on that. Is is fantasy that our government is owned and operated by big money corporations? Help me understand the fantasy behind me comment.
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Thu Jan-24-08 08:01 AM
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57. How is it that a couple of primaries in small states... |
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...amounts to a "rejection" of Edwards? He beat Hillary in Iowa, you know. How on earth can you be so sure that he'll never gain the popularity or momentum to win? Is your finger that firmly on America's pulse? I still think the race is wide open for the top 3, and have high hopes for Edwards to make inroads in SC and super Tuesday.
And even if he doesn't pull the nomination, he may have the clout for a VP spot at the convention.
It's not a fantasy post, your post is prematurely tearing him down. He's not a stupid man, and would not be running without some very good reasons.
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Thu Jan-24-08 07:33 AM
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53. No doubt he is the right man for the job right now |
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Thu Jan-24-08 07:55 AM
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56. Yep, looks like he is the right man |
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Even if elected, he never would. That populism of his is too little and too late. He's been wrong or misguided on Bush since Bush took office and if we truly care about our democracy, we won't settle for Edwards. He is not enough when seriously examining what this nation has been through in the past seven years.
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