Thankfully, I have the luxury of NOT having to vote for Hill in November

[cali]

if, as is likely, she's the candidate. I've voted for a dem in every election since Carter. If I find I can't hold my nose and vote for her in good conscience, I don't need to: I live in an overwhelmingly dem state, and there's simply no way it's going repuke come November.

I'm undecided as to whether I will or won't vote for her. That depends on what she does in the coming weeks.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Me too; she'll win New York anyway

The presidential lever will remain in place in my voting booth.

The only way it doesn't will be if Obama's on the ticket, which, for his sake, I hope doesn't happen.

[liberalnurse]

2. Good; you finally purged

that out of your system. Maybe now you will stop harping and whining on the subject.

[cali]

3. coming from the whiny

nurse taser herself, that's a laugh.

[liberalnurse]

5. you seem to be loosing your snappy personality ...

You must be back on your meds. Good for you honey.

[cali]

8. oh goody, the ultimate cheap shot from

the freak who advocated working against Obama and donating money to defeat him. You're a piece of work, darling. And most people are aware of it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. liberalnurse: I think you are awesome

I love your posts and think you are a positive contributer to DU.

Just ignore the angry insults! They are inaccurate and just mean.

[liberalnurse]

71. Why thank you Evergreen Emerald...........

:loveya: Your kind words are embraced.

I shall carry on with that rally of peer confidence.O8)

[aquart]

4. Fine. But you will lose your bitching privileges.

If you don't get off your spiteful, I'm-taking-MY-ball-and-going-home ass and vote, you will have no right to complain about the government you get.

Let me tell you something you don't seem to know about democratic process: MAJORITY RULES. Which means there is always an unhappy minority.

If the vote climbs for Obama and he gets enough delegates to win, I DAMN WELL WILL VOTE FOR HIM. And complain about everything he does every day after that. Because I WILL have my bitching privileges.

And because I don't pay lip service to democracy. I practice it.

[cali]

11. too bad you're not the "decider" of who does or doesn't

have bitching privileges. I'll say what I please, as long as it doesn't violate DU rules. As I said, it really doesn't matter if I vote for her here in VT. If I lived in Ohio, for example, I would double up the clothespins and vote for her, but here I can safely do what I feel best.

[Colobo]

6. Have faith in Obama, dear cali.

[Kahuna]

7. I don't even care if she wins. But if she does she'll do it without my vote.

So whites and hispanics better double up, because a lot of blacks will sit this one out.

[Skidmore]

14. She'll do without a lot of votes, and not just votes from the AA

community.

[liberalnurse]

24. I thought

you had that Felony exponged.,well if you didn't then that surely why you won't vote in this election.

[sniffa]

35. What the fuck is wrong with you?

You are one of, if not the most, nasty DUers. And that's saying a lot.

[liberalnurse]

67. Sniffa...........

you have been an inspiration.

[oasis]

61. "A lot of blacks will sit this one out". So you say. I say "African Americans

don't want another four years of Republican policies". Obama hasn't mesmerized all of them into thinking that the GOP has had the best ideas for the last 15 years.

[wyldwolf]

9. If you're right about her being the likely candidate, thankfully posts like yours will be gone,

[cali]

13. Are you sure?

We're not allowed to advocate against the nominee or post in support of third party or the repukes, but there's nothing as far as I can tell, that would make my OP verboten here.

[Inspired]

15. You are right about this.

We still will have a voice here. I guess we'll have to see how unscathed our party is after this nasty primary season is over. The Clintons are banking on us having short memories.

[Alexander]

63. No. Wolfie's making shit up as usual.

Wyldwolf needs some Dr. Pepper.

Now with 23 flavors!



:rofl: :rofl:

[dionysus]

66. you are all up in wydywolfs house with pwnage

[Uben]

10. Yar or yaint

When it comes to being a democrat, yar or yaint. I guess there are those who like to hide in that abyss of independency, but that's usually cuz they don't get their way. Look, it appears as though the majority of us here are not going to get our candidate nominated....that's just the dynamics of it. But, it appears we will get a democrat for president. After the last 7 yrs, that's not only good, that's grrrrreat! (with acknowledgement to Tony the Tiger)

[Inspired]

12. I'll be holding my nose and casting a vote for her.

I live in a swing state though where every vote could make a difference. I cannot stomach the thought of another 8 years of a Republican White House.

I will vote for the Democratic nominee. If the nominee is Clinton, I just won't donate or volunteer any time to her campaign. I doubt if she loses any sleep over that statement! It's all about winning with the Clintons. No matter what it takes. They have no shame and they are tearing our party apart. It is disgusting and I wish I lived in a bluer state so I could just sit this one out too. I hate rewarding their campaign tactics with my vote but I don't have any other choice.

[dmosh42]

16. You will do as I probably will do....

Hold your nose, and give her your vote. When faced with the alternative McCain with his Bush team, you'll come around.

[Perry Logan]

17. The anti-Hillary folks are going to spend the next eight years trying to depress everyone at DU.

It'll be a continuation of what they've been doing--attacking Democratic leaders, using Republican talking points.

When Hillary runs, they'll be showing up every day assuring us she can't win. Like we haven't already heard the story six million times.

If there's a bad story about Hillary, these fellow Democrats will trot right over with it, no matter what the source. Just as they've been doing for weeks.

And after Hillary takes office, the helpful Hillarophobes will be showing up every day with the latest scoops from Drudge, and all the MSM columns assuring us what a terrible job her administration is doing. And any bad polls they can find. Anything to depress their fellow Democrats.

[BeyondGeography]

19. You really think the country will give her eight years? That's funny

One hellish and hate-filled term before the country unites on disposing of the Clintons for good is the best you can hope for.

Party on.

[Perry Logan]

22. I rest my case.

[sniffa]

37. Your non-existant case.

Good. Hopefully you'll stop bringing it up in every thread. But hey, at least this time you posted more than a lame one line in your title. :thumbsup:

[anniebelle]

20. They've depressed me for the last 7, so?

Anybody on this board that doesn't vote for and support our candidate doesn't get any bitchin' rights when we're lookin' at President McCain and his gang of marauders in the WH. Just sayin'.

[marlakay]

42. No I won't

because if Hillary wins I won't hang out in these blogs anymore. I can't stand her and will barely watch the news. It will be just like all the other presidents I don't like the moment they start to speak on any tv station I turn it off.

But personally I think having hillary as the choice for dems is like giving it back to repubs, every repub I know hates her and they will be out in full charge to defeat her, oh and by the way by doing that we could lose the dem congress too...

[Voltaire99]

46. Poor widdle persecuted pwog.

How's that self-pity workin' for ya, Perry?

Here's three little matters regarding Hillary you might try to work into your consciousness between the heart-wrenching sobs: your gorgon is pro-Iraq, pro-outsourcing, and a panderer to the religious right. I'll have no problem voting independent rather than backing such rubbish.

[Nimrod2005]

18. I am not voting for her either....NO way

[H2O Man]

21. It is possible

that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee, and that events will take place that will cause those good democrats who do not like her now, to re-evaluate and to support her in November.

[Tellurian]

23. Yes, and the good thing is they won't have the luxury of tearing her down

on DU, if she wins the nomination!

[cali]

28. Wrong. wrong. wrong. There's no rule on DU

saying that we can't criticize the nominee. We can't actively advocate against the nominee or cheer on a repuke, but we can criticize Madam, wahich I'm sure you'll see as bashing or tearing her down. Get used to it, cupcake. It will continue. And people will not be kicked off of DU for criticizing your heroine. Too, too bad for you.

[LizW]

41. Wow. n/t

[Tellurian]

43. According to the Rules..

That is not how I interpret DU RULES:

You said:

"but we can criticize Madam, which I'm sure you'll see as bashing or tearing her down. Get used to it, cupcake. It will continue. And people will not be kicked off of DU for criticizing your heroine. Too, too bad for you."

DU says:

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates. Supporters of certain other political parties may use Democratic Underground for limited partisan activities in political races where there is no Democratic Party candidate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.htm


Why attempt to fabricate my words into something, I never said..like: "people will not be kicked off of DU for criticizing your heroine." I never said, people will be kicked off if Hillary is the nominee. My post indicated you would probably leave as you're "not" going to vote for her anyway. The thread heading boasts, you won't have to vote because you reside in a democratic state!

And- according to the Rules constructive criticism is allowed. However any derogatory or negative criticism of the Dem Nominee WOULD be working for (sic)it's defeat. Why would anyone working against the Dem Nominee be permitted to attempt to bash them or tear them down at a pro Dem site?

There is a site available to you at Free Republic, a Freeper site that will happily take you in, as inline with their Freeper Rules supporting their Republican nominee.

And just the fact you are premeditating encouraging, what would be considered bad behavior against her by Hillary supporters, is indicative you plan to attempt to be contributing to Republicans defeating her. Otherwise, before responding, please post an opinion directly from Skinner saying your intended behavior will be permitted by DU, if you do not agree with what has been written here.

[cali]

44. oh don't spout nonsense

straight off the disgusting site you sport as your sig. And don't flat out make stuff up. I have NEVER indicated I would work against her. I haven't even said I'll definitely not vote for her- and my OP makes that very clear, dumpling. I certainly have made it clear that I don't support a repuke, so take your less than true accusations and cram them back up where you puled them out of, sweetums.

Agree with what you've written? Not even close. And sorry, you don't run DU, so I don't need to get YOUR permission for anything. I hope that's perfectly clear.

You may wish you controlled DU, but you don't.

[Tellurian]

47. But I do follow the rules and if you don't like it..Tell it to the Judge..

[cali]

48. goody for you, but you still don't make the rules here, do you?

And as long as I don't advocate for a third party nominee or repuke or state that I hope she loses, I can criticize her, and YOU better get used to it- I certainly won't be the only one.

[Tellurian]

49. Neither do you intimidate me with your hard edges. You better get used to that.

[cali]

52. LOL! I wasn't the one trying to intimidate, honeybuch

that was YOU. I wouldn't bother trying to intimidate anyone on DU; I have zero interest in doing so. YOU tried to tell me that I wouldn't be allowed to criticize Hilly if she's the nom. I don't let your type of bullying go unchallenged, and it doesn't work with me either.

[Tellurian]

59. Get it through your thick head..freeper logic doesn't work here..

[LanternWaste]

57. One man's "tearing down" is another man's valid criticism.

One man's "tearing down" is another man's valid criticism.

Although the political hacks won't be able to discern the difference, I'm sure there are many, many people still on DU who have not turned off their brains in their support of a candidate who will readily see the difference.



It's odd to me, though-- a poster rejoices at the thought of the censorship of discourse who himself more often than not, tears down the candidates of so many others on an almost daily basis.

There was a time when I actually looked forward to reading your posts as I thought they were informative and analytical. Hopefully, you'll return to that form once the primaries are over.

[cali]

25. Sure, and I'm not saying that I definitively won't vote for her

It's dependent on what she does in the coming weeks and months. I'm just glad I have the choice- something I wouldn't feel I have if I lived in Ohio of New Mexico or any other "purple" state.

[antigop]

27. It is possible for me to win the lottery, too. Sorry, h2Oman, this is where you and I part company.

I will not support a DLC candidate.

WAR GAMES: "The only way to win is not to play."

I refuse to play the DLC's game. (And "good Democrats" whom I have spoken to feel the same.)

<EDIT to add> For the record, I am a progressive independent.

[H2O Man]

33. I don't think

that we part company here. I spoke about democrats, and you are an independent. That's an important enough distinction that we both noted it in our posts.

I understand why people are taking the positions that they are. I'm not interested in trying to convince anyone to vote one way or the other. I am instead trying to encourage people to keep an open mind, and to think for themselves. In that most important area, I am confident we do not part ways.

[antigop]

60. with all due respect, (and I do mean this respectfully)

You want to encourage people to "keep an open mind, and to think for themselves".

One of the things that really bothers me about many of the posts here is the "Shut up, sit down, do as I say, vote for the nominee..." type of attitude that I see. (That comment was not directed at you.) This is one reason why I consider myself an independent, although I'm probably about as far left as Kucinich in term of policy positions. I am not into authoritarianism.

[H2O Man]

62. There are far too many

threads on DU that are appeals to irrational fears and prejudices. There are far too many that mistake shortcuts to logic for thoughtful commentary. I think that it is fair to say that, by no coincidence, these have increased at the same pace that some DUers have attempted to secure support for the moderate to conservative democrats, and to justify the lack of action by democrats in congress.

It may be that the decision to shift the primary discussions into a separate forum will provide some relief. I am encouraged that a number of the more reasonable voices on DU seem to be speaking up, even if I disagree with them on some issues. I count you as being among the very best on here.

[antigop]

65. Thank you for the response. I am visiting GD-P less and less as I don't see it providing much info.

A good book: "Confessions of a Union-buster" -- I learned a lot about certain tactics.

[Yukari Yakumo]

26. ...

[jpgray]

29. What's so evil about voting for Hillary? What's so wonderful about not doing so?

She's hardly the embodiment of truth and goodness for a progressive, but none of the major candidates are.

[joeybee12]

30. Good, because I'm convinced I will never vote for Obama...

...but that may matter here in Colorado.

[goldcanyonaz]

31. I'll wear a gast mask to the booth election day if Obama is the nominee.

But, I will vote for him.

My husband is a dire ABO so I'll have to cap his knees to keep him from voting if he won't support the nominee.

[MaineDem]

32. I'm glad not everyone thinks like you do

What if more people have the same feeling - my non-vote won't matter because he/she is going to win anyway? It's handing the election to the other guys.

I have two words to anyone who won't support the Dem nominee. Supreme Court! We need a Democrat in the White House making those nominations. I don't care much for Hillary OR Obama but I'll vote for either.

[William769]

34. If thats your excuse for not vote for her.

Thats one of the piss poorest excuses I have ever heard. I have had my doubts about you cali in the past thanks for putting those doubts to bed for me.

All the doubts I have had had about you have been confirmed. What credibility you had left is gone. Congrats!

On Edit: I guarantee you one thing this election cycle, you will be one of those that has to take her ball and go home not because your mad but because you will be laughed all the field.

[mtnsnake]

36. Hey, cali, maybe you can vote PRESENT

I live in an overwhelming Dem state, too, & I'll vote for whoever the Dem candidate is regardless, even if I don't need to...and even if it's Obama, because I think he's better than anyone the repukes can put out there.

The point of it all is to vote, and I'll do everything in my power, even in an overwhelmingly Democratic state to bring the numbers up in the overall popular vote for whomever our candidate is.

[cali]

38. whether or not I vote depends on whether or not

the Clinton campaign continues their use of the Southern Strategy. Most things are to be expected in a heated battle for the nomination- that isn't acceptable.

[Yurovsky]

45. Hillary's the bastard child of Dick Nixon & Lurlene Wallace ...

Tricky & his pals were the first to concoct the Southern Strategy, and Lurlene? Well, let's just say she was elected Governor of Alabama on the strength of her experience as the wife of George (insert knee-slapping guffaw here).

[goldcanyonaz]

39. I live in a red state that's on the brink of turning blue, maybe I shouldn't rock the boat, and just

stay home...

*puke:

[rodeodance]

51. I know you are joking--but please rock the boat in your state.

[dionysus]

70. well, if hillary gets nominated, i'm gonna write in...

Brewer and Shipley!!

:hi:

this time in italian!!

un toke sopra la linea toke dolce del mtnsnake uno sopra la linea.

levandosi in piedi del centro alla stazione di DLC, un toke sopra la linea.

[Alexander]

72. Maybe you can vote for a series of endless wars! What fun!

And then give yourself a nickname that has the same initials as that of the Republican Party.

[Beacool]

50. Well, thank you!!!

Since I live in NJ, if Obama manages to be our nominee then I don't have to feel compelled to hold my nose and vote for him either.

Are we done with the childish tit for tat????

Geez, kids......

[BigDDem]

53. and the Clinton obsession continues......

:boring:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. That's why ballots have that handy-dandy write in option. So we can do this:

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams

An option I expect to utilize in 2008

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

55. My state was "barely blue"

and could go to McCain or Romney.

So I guess I gotta hold my nose and vote, even if it's HRC.

[Occam Bandage]

56. Well, it's almost pointless to vote in my district.

The Democrat always wins the Presidential delegates. Jesse Jackson, Jr. is never going to lose. Blago isn't up, and even if he were I'd probably vote against him; he's my least-favorite Democrat alive. Durbin's safe, and so is Obama. Local elections are a choice between one corrupt nepotist Democrat and a corrupt nepotist Democrat with a different name.

But yet I do. And I'll vote for HRC this November, and JJJ, and a pack of corrupt machine parasites.

[elizm]

58. Same here...I live in SC...

And if she is the nominee and loses the general (which she will lose if she is the nominee) the Hillary supporters can't blame her loss on me for not voting for her in SC. They can only blame themselves for having put up the worst possible candidate in 2008.

[Alexander]

64. But we need a nominee with high negatives and lots of baggage!

How else could we win?

:crazy:

[Hippo_Tron]

68. I will vote for the nominee in my red state, popular vote matters for mandates

I want our nominee to win by as large of a margin as possible. Large margins of victory make it easier for an incoming President to set the tone that they want for the honeymoon period and get more done.

I hope that I don't have to vote for Hillary but I will do so without a second thought if she is the nominee.

[Marie26]

69. Sounds like a rationalization

One person's vote never changes the outcome of a national election. Whether you're in a blue state or a red state, one vote won't make much of a difference. But it does show support for the Dem. nominee. I don't like Obama, but I'll vote for him as the nominee. Because IMO as a Democrat it's my responsibility to support the nominee of my party.

[onenote]

73. Cali, you and I agree on things more often that not, but I'm not following you on this one

You seem to want HRC to win if she's the nominee and you are counting on the fact that either enough Democrats and others will vote for her because they are in agreement with her, or at least prefer her to the repub alternative to allow you not to vote for her. If, on election day, you could talk to every voter in California, what would you tell them to do: vote for her, not vote for her?