jackson_dem
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Mon Jan-28-08 11:28 PM
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On which significant bills have Obama and Hillary disagreed? |
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Has anyone noticed the Obama swiftboats train their guns on a few flyspecked bills to gun down Edwards and Hillary. None of them took place after Obama became a senator. This raises the obvious question: why? It is easy to swiftboat Edwards and Hillary as rethug lite when we don't have Obama's position to compare them to (we do have the roll call at keast. Why do you think Obama's swiftboaters never post who voted with Edwards and Hillary?). They get a free pass to attack and proclaim St. Obama of No Record as pure. Post 2005 we can simply look at how Hillary voted and then compare it to Obama's vote. This doesn't fit the agenda of the Obamite swift squad because they vote together 90% of the time. Let's make an honest comparison of their records here.
1) Dick Cheney's energy bill: Obama for, Hillary against 2) Bush's tort reform bill: Obama for, Hillary against
This is just a start. Let's see if St. Obama's record matches the rhetoric we hear about him being pure.
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Mon Jan-28-08 11:29 PM
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1. It's hard to determine since Obama rarely votes. |
jackson_dem
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Mon Jan-28-08 11:32 PM
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2. That brings us to Kyl-Lieberman |
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It is hard to know where Obama stands on this. He was for designating the IRG a terrorist organization. I believe he co-sponsored a bill to do that. Months later he voted "present" on Kyl-Lieberman. He issued no floor statement. He issued no press release. At the debate the night of the vote Edwards and Gravel denounced Kyl-Lieberman. 0bama said nothing. After seeing the reaction Edwards and Gravel produced for their criticisms of Hillary over it and the backlash among progressives over Hillary's vote St. 0bama flip flopped. He went from being for it to being silent on it to being against it.
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Mon Jan-28-08 11:39 PM
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5. "0bama flip flopped". Yes, he did. He was also a hypocrite about it, which makes him a "flippocrite" |
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Flippocrites are very rare.
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Tue Jan-29-08 12:28 AM
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6. Nothing? So Obama is a DINO too like we "know" Hillary is? |
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Tue Jan-29-08 09:37 AM
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13. Not true - at the time the vote was cast, Obama indicated that he would have voted "NO" |
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The resolution that Obama was a co-sponsor on with 67 other people explicitly said that it was NOT justification for military action. Many people who co-sponsored that bill, which was designed to allow sanctions or to allow them to be subject to the international money laundering provisions, voted and spoke against Kyl-Leiberman. They were NOT equivalent.
Politically, Obama likey should have flown back to add his "NO" to a bill that was already passing with over 70 votes. The day before, Reid - on the Senate floor - said that more time would be spent on that bill and the Biden amendment and that it would be some time before they came to a vote, then in the morning of the next day, the votes were scheduled. Neither were close. Obama specified that he would have voted "NO". This was common practice when campaigning for President and Edwards did it in 2003 and 2004 himself. (As did Kerry, who always got Daschle to include in the Senate record the way he would have voted, when Daschle gave the list of those "necessarily absent - something that Edwards in 2004 and the 2008 candidates don't seem to being doing.)
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Mon Jan-28-08 11:32 PM
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3. They've disagreed on the following Bills... |
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Bill Murray The Buffalo Bills Wild Bill Hickok Bill Bennett
That's all I know... :hi:
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Tue Jan-29-08 06:07 AM
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Mon Jan-28-08 11:37 PM
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4. Neither have opened there mouths about the criminal |
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in the White House that needs to be impeached. They are sitting Senators that have a voice. I realize the the Senate does not bring the articles. But that doesn't mean their mouths are sewn shut and they can't speak. Obviously they actually must think Bush is OK otherwise he would be in jail where he deserves to be. :dem:
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Tue Jan-29-08 06:13 AM
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Tue Jan-29-08 12:29 AM
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7. That's 2 wins for Hillary.... anyone got some to add? |
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Tue Jan-29-08 06:04 AM
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8. Apparently not. So St. Obama has at best the same record as Hillary |
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How can he be a saint while Hillary has a bad record? :shrug:
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Tue Jan-29-08 09:26 AM
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11. Feinstein's Cluster bomb amendment |
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where Obama was with Kerry and Kennedy voting for the amendment and HRC against it.
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Tue Jan-29-08 09:28 AM
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12. THE FRIGGIN IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION!!!!!!! |
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Tue Jan-29-08 10:54 AM
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15. Obama has no vote to compare. And some people do not take him at his word. |
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Tue Jan-29-08 11:26 AM
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16. What did the OP ask??? |
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Tue Jan-29-08 09:41 AM
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14. Clinton vs Obama voting record (votesmart.org) |
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