Pay careful attention to criticism against Hillary here..and you will notice the following

[bernicewilliams]

The bulk of the criticism focuses on trivial things: How she looks at the other candidate, how she is a copycat, "what an ugly shirt color!", how she itched her butt, etc.

Rarely will you read, "Did you hear about what Hillary just said about how to fight the recession"? or "wow. I really hated that health care proposal".


Interesting.

[ursi]

1. ooooh, I didn't see her itch her butt but I did hear her copying John Edwards

[KennedyGuy]

6. Ursi apparantly has something in her ass

must be that stick stuck up there...

[rodeodance]

43. Its Obama channelling Nixon in his stump speech today

[PDittie]

2. Welcome to DU

But if you want to start a piefight in here, you're going to have to use more incendiary language than "itched her butt".

[Catherine Vincent]

9. LOL!

[PDittie]

27. Hey cat

:hi:

[Catherine Vincent]

34. What up, PDittie!

:hi:

[Beausoir]

38. ROFL!

Funniest thing I have read all day.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. How's Helping To Start An Absurd War?

Costing hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars? Does that suit you better?

[bernicewilliams]

11. Yes. It's better

She deserved to be attacked on her war position. Not on her suit color or having a position identical to another candidate if that position is a good one.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. The war in Iraq's trivial?

Tell it to Iraqis.

[bernicewilliams]

8. do you know what "bulk" means?

I said the bulk of the criticism. Do you see a lot of Iraq threads around compared to insignificant trivia?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. I think Iraq's the bulk of the criticism.

The problem is, Hillary supporters dodge talk on the IWR and only respond to the trivial stuff.

[bernicewilliams]

5. Did she copy Edwards on a good thing?

If so, why should she have a different position?

[Catherine Vincent]

16. Guess what Ursi is yammering that Hillary is copying?

She writes when Obama is speaking. Get a rope.

[emilyg]

33. He is, too.

[LiberalFighter]

36. And how much have others copied on Hillary?

[goldcanyonaz]

7. Welcome to DU! Great to have you here.

[bernicewilliams]

12. Thanks n/t

[LittleClarkie]

13. Both sides

I'm not seeing actual issues discussed on either side very often.

Or do you consider a handshake issue oriented.

[bernicewilliams]

20. Two wrongs don't make a right n/t

[LittleClarkie]

26. No they don't. Just pointing out it's not one-sided

Equal opportunity pettiness. Actual issue oriented threads drop like a stone.

[scheming daemons]

14. Yeah.... and the Clinton supporters will talk about

imagined "snubs" because Obama happened to look away from her.

[bernicewilliams]

23. So you think everyone should talk about issues?

At least you agree with my OP.

[Azathoth]

15. Sure, and the 10,000 threads about Obama's imaginary 'snub' are all substantive policy criticisms

:eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Yes thats MUCH less substantive then vilifying a candidate over a handshake

:eyes:

[bigwillq]

18. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[bernicewilliams]

21. :-) n/t

[shaniqua6392]

19. There is another op on DU that I just saw

that complained about the way Hillary was "staring" at Obama. This is friggin ridiculous.

[Nailzberg]

22. And Obama has Mommy issues.

I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying that it goes both ways on this board.

[bernicewilliams]

24. So you are saying, I am right, I assume n/t

[Nailzberg]

37. I'm saying you are right, but that the problem isn't solely Obama supporters

We've got a lot of class acts around here, but there's a handful on both sides that just love dragging the campaign into the gutter around here.

[ShaneGR]

25. As someone who will vote for whoever the candidate is....

I think there is fair criticism of Hillary, she isn't perfect, especially for DU, but she's a great candidate for us. This is about taking the White House back, and the reality is that a Republican candidate will not be running against Hillary Clinton. He'll be running against Bill & Hillary Clinton. They don't lose elections. Ever.

Hillary Clinton has one hell of a resume too.

[Sparkly]

28. Better just to ignore it. nt

[jasmine621]

29. Hillary, so far, has been better on the details and more realistic. nt

[HopeforChange]

32. She on (C)linton (N)ews (N)etwork. The questions are meant to help her

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30. Deleted message

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[Catherine Vincent]

31. Btw, welcome to DU, Bernice.

:hi:

[jgraz]

35. You want substance? We got substance

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Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing regarding the failed Senate confirmation of John Bolton.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito.

Senator Clinton missed the Senate confirmation vote on Michael Mukasey.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during this summer's vote on the Iraq War Supplemental.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the vote to extend FISA.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing on the Walter Reid scandal, even though she sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing during the current debate on Telecom Immunity.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of Dick Cheney.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of George Bush.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the myriad scandals surrounding the current administration. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to list these one-by-one)

Senator Clinton campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont

Senator Clinton proposed legislation to ban flag burning.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the renewal of the USAPATRIOT Act.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill.

Senator Clinton voted FOR Bush's tax cuts.

Senator Clinton voted AGAINST an amendment that would prohibit the use of cluster bombs against civilians.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Iraq War Resolution.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.

~~~~~~~~

Yes, many other Senators have failed to lead on these issues, but they aren't asking for a promotion to the highest office in the nation. As Hillary loves to point out, she is not a newcomer to Washington politics. She says she's "ready to lead" and experienced at fighting the right-wing. Why then, does she always seems to fade into the woodwork whenever a contentious issue comes before the Senate?

[robinlynne]

39. Well, I don't like her because she is a corporate sellout.

just don't waste too much time saying so, because everyone knows that already.

[rodeodance]

44. and Obama ??--both are getting money from corps

[TexasObserver]

40. Bogus.

You're projecting. You're looking for something that isn't there, except in your mind.

There is consistent criticism of Hillary Clinton for the things she has done, the way she has voted, and the way some of her fans behave. Same for Obama.

Why do you make things up? YOU want to make the discussion something unsubtantive. YOU want to drag the level of GDP down. Pick an ISSUE you have with Obama, and tell us about that. But please stop acting like we're a convention of rightwing talk show hosts sitting around a bar slamming Hillary Clinton for her clothes, her body, or her accessories. People here who have a problem with Hillary have POLICY problems with her, not personal problems with her.

Obviously, there is also the handful of the Obama supporters who are striving to find petty disagreements, as you are. You two groups of haters will always find each other, and embarrass the rest of us by behaving badly.

You like Hillary. Talk about that without making up things that come out of your imagination.

[kaygore]

41. I would love to read the MoveOn members comments for the 2 candidates

MoveOn has asked its membership to choose between Clinton and Obama. I chose Gore and Edwards but put my dot next to Obama since neither Gore or Edwards were choices.

In not voting for Clinton, I noted her stand on Iraq, her inclusion of profit in her health care proposal, her ties to lobbyists, her ties to the DLC, her tendency to hold her finger to the wind before taking a stand, her ... .

There are so many reasons to not support Clinton--good ones. I suspect that the surface comments that you noted are just manifestations of a particular moment and not the actual reason that motivates the person making the comment.

[CorpGovActivist]

42. Senator Clinton Is Either Naive or Willfully Ignoring ...

... medical privacy when it comes to her eMed records plan, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4321211&mesg_id=4321211">as evidenced by the significant and recurring privacy breaches of military families' records during the CHCS II rollout.

For a supposed expert on: (1) healthcare issues; and (2) military affairs, I'm at a loss to understand why her thinking on this is stuck.

That is, until I look at who her contributors are, and what http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vinod+gupta+infousa">those fraudulent data firms might stand to gain.

Don't throw down gauntlets on policy wonk issues if you're not prepared to have it picked up.

- Dave

[eridani]

45. You hear "I hate that health care proposal" all the time from me n/t

[ErnestoG]

46. As opposed to Obama's "scowl" or whether he shook her hand?