The IWR VOTE IS THE PAST. What do we do now?

[jasmine621]

That's why Hillary beats Obama on that issue. She comes across as a real Commander-in-Chief. Obama is leaving the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he is ready to defend the country. It doesn't always have to be with a war but the people need to sense that from him. Hillary beats him on this issue and she can face down the Republicans of this. Let's be honest about that.

[thunder rising]

1. GIs are dying TODAY moron!!!!

[thunder rising]

5. and they are dying because of her "NAIVE MOMENT" of trusting the Republicans

[rodeodance]

18. She made a very difficult decision. Being a senator from ny was prob. a big factor

she had to deal with the aftermath.

[thunder rising]

28. Getting GIs killed is always the easy answer. NOT GOOD ENOUGH

[rodeodance]

29. your response makes no sense to me.

[jasmine621]

30. And we hold Hillary more responsible for the war than Bush. great!

Look up who voted for that resolution. Don't let the "hypocrite needle" knock you off your stool. Do you folks hate all those other Dems as much as Hillary?

[Skwmom]

32. So you give her a pass because she's a Democrat? Oh, it's okay if

you send people off to die because you want to further your career, just have a D in front of your name.

[thunder rising]

6. self delete ... dup (sorry)

[rodeodance]

14. You are prob. one that only want to see her down on her knees!!

[Joe the Revelator]

2. You can't just ignore the vote that is still causing death across the globe

Tough stuff, but the IWR vote isn't going away.

[Avalux]

3. Sorry, I don't agree with you. The IWR vote is very relevant to me -

and a lot of other people. What we do now is move forward with a candidate who represents the future.

[FrenchieCat]

4. It is how we got there that will give us a win.

Don't you understand that? :crazy:

[sandnsea]

7. Uh no, we need to change the mentality

that got us into the war and Hillary loses there too. If you want more bullying foreign policy that exploits the world's resources and refuses to talk with our enemies, then go ahead and vote for Hillary.

There is a HUGE difference between them that is beyond the IWR and that people have got to start taking a look at.

[BadgerKid]

15. Congrats to Obama for nailing the mentality point. n/t

[rodeodance]

23. oh poo. you make the ASSumption cause of single vote that the bullying will continue!! Do you hear

yourself--how utterly stupid that is!

[sandnsea]

33. Oh no, I base that on 15 years

I base that on the way they managed Iraq and the inspectors in the 90's, constantly pushing to find a reason to get Saddam out of there. I base that on Afghanistan, the Taliban, and the pipeline. I base it on troops in Saudi Arabia that the Clintons knew was agitating the ME. I base it on China trade and India trade with no environmental or labor protection. I base it on 4 years worth of statements on Iraq. I base it on her own statements that indicate foreign policy would continue on with the exact same global resource exploitation we've always conducted. I base it on her bullying attitude towards Iran. I base it on a lot of things. Nothing is going to significantly change with another Clinton presidency. All the shit that caused us to end up in this mess is going to continue on, just with a friendlier face.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4327894&mesg_id=4327894

[Individualist]

8. Tell that to the thousands of victims' families and see what kind of reaction you get.

:spank:

[havocmom]

9. We are entitled to consider her judgment suspect

Let's be honest about THAT.

IWR matters still because it lends insight into methods of decision making and values.

There was ample evidence that bush/cheney were less than honest. That should have been considered more fully. Voting for IWR was a bad call done for suspect reasons and not apologized for even in light ot the evidence being overwhelming and commonly known the whole pretext for war was bogus.

Hmmm Iowa wasn't so important. Then SC wasn't so important.

Sorry, it's ALL important

Yes, we do have to go on from where we are, but we can't really correct something if we don't admit it was wrong.

Sorry, IWR will always be relevant.

[JVS]

10. Get rid of the politicians who voted for it.

[debatepro]

11. WRONG... !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He crushes her on this argument... he believes a date is the catalyst go get jumpstart the political process and bring external actors to the table. Not only that but he believes if you don't set a date... then there leaves the possibility for mission creep. He made both arguments in the debate... she didn't respond...

[madfloridian]

12. The Iraq vote is not in the past. It never will be.

.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

13. To me, the war is the most important issue of the campaign

But I guess it's probably just me, and my weird anti-war, anti-quagmire quirk. I was depressed and disgusted for weeks after the IWR vote and my disgust at those who voted for it won't go away.

[Barack_America]

16. Last I checked, we were still in Iraq. In fact, an American soldier died today.

Why don't you try passing your message along to his mother.

[rodeodance]

21. Give it a break-you act as if those who say the vote is in the past do not care

that our troops are dying.

I basically agree with the IP--

[Barack_America]

25. How can it be in the past, when we are still suffering the consequences?...n/t

[zulchzulu]

17. Choosing to help start a trillion dollar war that killed a million people is no big deal

Are you OUT OF YOUR MIND?

[Blue-Jay]

19. The "past"? Are you high?

[rodeodance]

20. I think many people can emphaze with her decision. Lets agreed at that point.

[ihelpu2see]

22. If I, a mere mortal, back in 2003, could use google and the AFP to tell Bush and Co. was Lying

why couldn't Hillary. I think that mistake in judgment, a mistake she can not out right admit, along with her weak approach to reigning in Bush and Co. while on the Senate Armed Service committee are BIG reasons not to have her as President. Barack is able to also admit that he has been wrong and could possibly be wrong. I think that statement in tonights debate by Barack was very telling and why he would be a great President.
imo

[TomClash]

24. Past is prologue nt

[JackORoses]

26. I see you received Mark Penn's latest memo

[riverwalker]

27. If reading is too difficult

(like reading a 90 page NIE) then Google: "Iraq war images".
It will never be the past. People are dying today, and in 100 years the world will still be talking about the insanity of this war.

[Skwmom]

31. A real commander-in-chief doesn't send soldiers off to die because she wants

to further her career.

[DemCam]

34. This is correct...

I just looked at the voting list again and there wasn't one Senator on that
list who had serious aspirations about running for Presdident. And all
intelligence agencies signed off on WMD.

Did I think they were there? No
Did I, with way less knowledge than those on the floor, know for sure? NO NO NO

And that shadow of a doubt AT the time kept me from resenting a single Democrat who voted yes.

The big "If" was too horrible to contemplate...and it was for all of us.

We need to give it a rest and get on with it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. What a joke ! Hillary was too stupid to see that Bush was Bullshitting !