Hillary: I voted for the war before I voted against it

[NJSecularist]

Well, she didn't actually say that, but that's the impression I got from her Iraq explanation. Just like that rationale hurt Kerry, it may hurt Hillary.

[ursi]

1. she did

[maddiejoan]

2. Not really

her answer is better than Kerry's

She voted for a big stick to use in diplomacy --and Bush blew it.

She needs to hone that down for the GE --but it'll work.

[NJSecularist]

3. I remember the same rationale from Kerry

[maddiejoan]

7. Hillary explains it better

[NJSecularist]

8. Oh, I agree

But the general concept may hurt Hillary.

[maddiejoan]

12. Not anymore it won't

What hurt Kerry was the timing also.

Most people were still giving Chimpy the benefit of the doubt, and they weren't ready to pull out troops.

Most people in this country were where Clinton was then --and where Clinton is now--they believed Chimpy then, and now want out now.
DU is a bad mirror for the country.

[Radical Activist]

17. You really think it matters?

Just think about flip flops on the floor of the Republican convention again.

[sjdnb]

4. It's obvious many haven't bothered to read the bill nor

were they paying much attention during that time.

[goldcanyonaz]

5. Must have watched a different debate than you.

[Blue-Jay]

6. I like puppies!

[subsuelo]

9. oh yes, it will hurt Hillary

[BootinUp]

10. You just have a closed mind

to the fact that a threat of force was required to get Iraq to yield to unobstructed inspections. And that only one person DECLARED war, that was dubya.

[sjdnb]

16. Exactly -- neither Edwards, Kerry or Clinton 'voted for war'

Bush ignored the bill and unilaterally went to war. It's as simple as that.

Seems, however, some Dems can't believe Bush do such a thing. :sarcasm:

[Avalux]

11. She voted, she repeated the lies about WMDs, she tried to justify her vote -

over and over again. When she had the opportunity to say she made a mistake, she didn't.

[sjdnb]

13. Read the gosh darn resolution ... there were plenty

protections put in it by the same folks you're dissing (Edwards, Kerry, Clinton, etc) to prevent GW from circumventing the law -- but, he did anyway.

Why are Dems defending Bush? He is the one who has gone around every law to do whatever he wants no matter what.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. It's the hate of anything Hillary that keeps some from being objective.

Edwards and Biden NEVER received such hits for their vote on Iraq. I've mentioned this many times but it falls on deaf ears.

[rodeodance]

21. it has to be the built in irrational hate for some here on DU--not better than the

RW pundits out here in tv/radioland!

[Radical Activist]

18. Those "protections" didn't stop the war did they?

Do you really expect anyone to take that argument seriously? She voted the wrong way and no jesuitical explanations are going to matter in the minds of voters.

[sjdnb]

25. No she didn't ... nor did Kerry or Edwards

It's part of the problem with the Dem party, they are too ready to acquiesce/concede, even though it is the Bush Admin and their GOP lackeys, who have ignored the law/committed crimes. And, it is even happening now, during the most recent legislative debates.

[Maribelle]

29. 850,000 Floridians believed her. How many believed Obama?

She would not have voted that way with the knowledge she has now. Most that voted for her in Florida probably took that argument seriously. Add up Obama's popular vote and compare it to Hillary's to see if common people like me take that argument seriously.

Your argument is based on a false premise, merely to support your political bias.

[subsuelo]

15. she definitely blew that opportunity

the door was wide open too

[rodeodance]

19. She is not going to gravel on her knees for you, nor do I think she should at this point. The

RW wants so badly see her do that-- (many on du also want that).

It serves no purpose at this point--

[ErnestoG]

28. a simple apology for her war vote would suffice.

But her overblown ego and proximity to a rightwing style foreign policy won't let her do that.

And that will be her undoing.

[rodeodance]

32. You are wrong--about your assessment of her foreign policy. And a 'simple

apology' at this point in the game would not be simple.

[Maribelle]

33. There is no way Hillary should have to apologize for the corrupt Bush administration.

Your spinning in the wrong direction with this.

[Maribelle]

23. First, why do you insist she says something she doesn't believe?.

over and over and over again we've had to see this rant

She's not going to lie. You're trying to insist that she lies.

She does not believe she made a mistake. She's mentioned this a thousand times.

Yet here we go again over and over and over.

Her floor speech at the time of her vote six years ago said pretty much what she said tonight. Obama thought so much of her floor speech, it seems he lifted parts of it.

Secondly, why aren't you insisting that Obama fess up that he lifted parts of his now infamous speech from Hillary's about two weeks after she gave it.

[Avalux]

36. Thank you for stating why I can't support Hillary:

"She does not believe she made a mistake". I don't care what Hillary believes; it's what I believe that counts when I vote. I believe Hillary made a mistake - either from poor judgement or as a political calculation.

[CyberPieHole]

20. Obama didn't know if he was for the war before he was against it...

he admits to being clueless and that is supposed to pass for "presidential"?

"I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know.' Obama 7.26.04

[rodeodance]

22. good point. But you do realize the double standard that exists for Obama?

[CyberPieHole]

27. Yes, I do. But I don't think the double standard will last if he gets the nomination...

that is when all the repubs who have fawned over him and his campaign will launch their attacks and destroy him and our chance to take the country back on the right path.

[rodeodance]

34. I know--it will not be pretty.

[bigwillq]

24. Do you have a link to where he says that?

I am going to look now but didn't know if you had one close by.

found it

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/hope4/CGgng

[CyberPieHole]

26. I found it here:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/10/obama-on-the-wa.html

[ErnestoG]

30. Horseshit. He's been consistent on that issue and it drives the Hillarbies nutso.

[Maribelle]

31. Obama has been inconsistent on that issue.

Give it up, you'll lose the debate royally.

[CyberPieHole]

35. Then why did he say he didn't know what he would have done?

read about it and see if Barack Hussein Obama was consistent or changing his tune?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/10/obama-on-the-wa.html