Hillary Screwed up the Biggest Vote she has had in the Senate. I'm Sorry That I CANNOT forget.

[MadBadger]

I see that is the new theme repeated by Hillary supporters here that the IWR is a measly irrelevant vote or that is doesnt matter. Well I disagree. This was the biggest vote and Hillary screwed it up and I dont think she really realizes that yet. You cannot just say that that was the past and lets move on to today's issues. Iraq is still one of if not the most important issue of today. Barack Obama was right from the start and I think it shows he is much more likely to be right going forwards.

[AX10]

1. ....

:boring:

[earthside]

4. "..." is a Right Wing Talking Point!

And why are you sleeping?

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Apparently you don't want anyone else to forget it either.

Apparently hers was the deciding vote on that. Iraq war wouldn't have happened without her vote.

[Whisp]

13. decisions count.

complicit or a total fool.

pick one for the Hill.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. Then most of the Senate & House are fools too. Including

Edwards - a co-sponsor.

[Whisp]

21. Edwards is not running.

breaking news.
Looks like only two fools are still in the race, and one went along with believing Bush.

[joshcryer]

3. Oh God.

It continues.

[Tektonik]

5. .....

:boring:

[Sara Bradi]

6. i agree, & why is it the media keeps saying that Hillary

& Obama don't have obvious policy differences on the war.

A person who opposed it from the outset, will look to get us out quickly & efficiently.

A person who supported it at the outset, will try to maximize their return, ie get out when things look good.

What if the situation never looks good ?

War mongers dont have my support.

[intheozone]

7. So did John Kerry but Obama thinks having his support

and endorsement is just fantastic. And Kerry had been in the Senate a lot longer than Clinton and had experienced Vietnam, but he still voted for the IWR. If Obama thinks his endorsement is valuable, then he must think Kerry's vote for the IWR is OK, so why isn't it OK that Clinton did the same? I bet Obama even voted for Kerry in '04! So how do explain away that?

[MadBadger]

8. And Kerry was wrong too

[Beausoir]

18. Oh ouch!

How true.

[jasmine621]

9. No.

She and most of the Dems in Congress voted for the IWR.

It was not a bad idea to topple Saddam.
Our soldiers did everything that was asked of them. Saddam was toppled, the Iraqi people voted for their government. We won the war. We have lost and continue to lose the OCCUPATION. It is tragic that so many lives were lost during this occupation. We should have come out when the loss of our troops was in the hundreds, not thousands.

It wasn't Iraqi war that was the big mistake. It was and is the OCCUPATION.

Most Americans were misled by Bush and most were in favor of going after Saddam...thanks to the job the media did on Bush's behalf.

Hillary can stand toe to toe with any Republican on the issues of national security, defense, and concern for our veterns. Obama would not be able to do this.

[JimGinPA]

20. I Believe Kerry Admitted He Made A Mistake On That Vote,

As did Edwards. Hillary won't, reminiscent of the present administration. Never a personal mistake, only bad intell.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

10. You have every right to not forget, no apology needed!

Vote your choice!

[Catherine Vincent]

11. Who cares what you won't forget?

Seriously!

[MoJoWorkin]

12. I totally agree!

[calmblueocean]

15. I can't forget it, either -- 1000s have died and her inability to apologize trivializes their deaths

At least Edwards could say forthrightly and honestly that he was wrong. I respected that.

The reason Hillary won't is because she knows how horrendously wrong she was, and doesn't want to take responsibility for misjudgment that profound. I just can't get behind her emotionally until she does.

[Tom Joad]

16. I can think of a million reasons not to forget.

and a trillion dollars not to forget. she is one dumbass senator, each and every one who voted for that insanity.
Not fit for any political office.

[agdlp]

17. 77 Senators voted for - 23 against. 29 Democrats voter for - 21 against

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/

Resolution sharply divides Democrats
The Senate vote sharply divided Democrats, with 29 voting for the measure and 21 against. All Republicans except Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island voted for passage.

Ahead of the vote, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle announced Thursday morning he would support Bush on Iraq, saying it is important for the country "to speak with one voice at this critical moment."

Daschle, D-South Dakota, said the threat of Iraq's weapons programs "may not be imminent. But it is real. It is growing. And it cannot be ignored." However, he urged Bush to move "in a way that avoids making a dangerous situation even worse."

Daschle had expressed reservations about a possible U.S. attack on Iraq, and he was not part of an agreement between the White House and other congressional leaders framing the resolution last week.

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia, attempted Thursday to mount a filibuster against the resolution but was cut off on a 75 to 25 vote.

Byrd had argued the resolution amounted to a "blank check" for the White House.
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This is the Tonkin Gulf resolution all over again," Byrd said. "Let us stop, look and listen. Let us not give this president or any president unchecked power. Remember the Constitution."

But Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said the United States needs to move before Saddam can develop a more advanced arsenal.

"Giving peace a chance only gives Saddam Hussein more time to prepare for war on his terms, at a time of his choosing, in pursuit of ambitions that will only grow as his power to achieve them grows," McCain said.

In the House, six Republicans -- Ron Paul of Texas; Connie Morella of Maryland; Jim Leach of Iowa; Amo Houghton of New York; John Hostettler of Indiana; and John Duncan of Tennessee -- joined 126 Democrats in voting against the resolution.

Minority Leader Richard Gephardt, D-Missouri, said giving Bush the authority to attack Iraq could avert war by demonstrating the United States is willing to confront Saddam over his obligations to the United Nations.

"I believe we have an obligation to protect the United States by preventing him from getting these weapons and either using them himself or passing them or their components on to terrorists who share his destructive intent," said Gephardt, who helped draft the measure.

But Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, said the 133 votes against the measure were "a very strong message" to the administration.

"All across this land Americans are insisting on a peaceful resolution of matters in Iraq," he said. "All across this land, Americans are looking towards the United States to be a nation among nations, working through the United Nations to help resolve this crisis."

[peoli]

19. Let no one deny that truth!