An example of a calculating political mind (re: HRC)

[democrat2thecore]

To me, this says something about a person. Even her name changes and blows to the political winds

1978: Bill Clinton wins election, at 32, to become Governor of Arkansas. The new First Lady of Arkansas makes it known she is, "Hillary Rodham" - "just as it's always been". She never legally took Bill's name.

1980: Bill Clinton loses re-election as Governor to Republican Bill White. Many attributed the loss to "Hillary Rodham" and the whole perception thing.

1982: Bill Clinton is elected - again - as Governor of Arkansas. This time, Hillary campaigned as "Mrs. Bill Clinton." No kidding!

1982: Mrs. Bill Clinton became known as "Hillary Rodham-Clinton."

1983-1992: She is known to her staff, and she uses, Hillary Rodham-Clinton

1993: Lisa Caputo, HRC's Press Secretary in the White House says, "Her preferred name is Hillary Rodham-Clinton"

2000: Hillary campaigns in New York for U.S. Senate as "Hillary" with "Hillary Rodham Clinton" used formally.

2007: Hillary announces for President on January 20th. She is using the "Hillary" logo, but this time: no "Rodham". We've all heard it, "This is Hillary Clinton and I approved this message." The Rodham is gone except for official Senate work. She campaigns exclusively as "Hillary Clinton."

Calculating. Very calculating.


An early 1993 story from the NYT on all this - two name changes back:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFD7113AF937A25751C0A965958260


- edit to correct spelling

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

1. Obama changed his name too! Its true!

[democrat2thecore]

4. scoop? -nt

[Occam Bandage]

5. Yeah, he was Barry Soetoro for a short while in Indonesia, and then Barry Obama as

a teenager.

[democrat2thecore]

6. But in public life?

He's always been Barack Obama in public life. Gart Hart caught all kinds of HELL for shortening his name from "Gary Hartpence" to "Gary Hart" BEFORE he entered public life. This is all different than calculating moves as the political winds shift.

[Occam Bandage]

7. Nope. Barack Obama his entire adult life.

[MoonRiver]

31. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Don't you know name changing is a deal killer! But, wait, that's only if it's a Clinton doing it. :sarcasm:

[IndianaJones]

2. she's a political John Mellencamp. nt.

[TexasObserver]

16. That hurt so good.

I have my issues with Hillary. Her name isn't one of them. I consider this one of those non issues that is not germane and has the stank of rightwing talking point on it.

[NoSheep]

17. I just want you to know that your subject line is going to be making me laugh in my sleep tonight!

:rofl: every now and then....just the right words can slay me.

[TexasObserver]

19. glad you enjoyed it! Johnny Cougar!!

He's a great one.

[NoSheep]

20. All that purty hair and all....

:7

[JDPriestly]

3. Hillary is a control freak. She will make a horrible president.

She will abuse every power that Bush has stolen for the presidency and relinquish not one of them.

[democrat2thecore]

8. I thought it was a joke that she campaigned as "Mrs. Bill Clinton" in '82 - but SHE DID! -nt

[smalll]

9. An example of a lazy political mind (re: BHO)

It's 2008. The original Iraq war was 17 long years ago. This country fought and won a war against a nasty dictator-for-life, but left him in power. Don't you think the young, rising Obama, with his dreams of the presidency, would have taken the time after that to go down to the courthouse and get rid of his middle name? He couldn't be bothered.

We all know at this point about that church he is currently involved with. How long has he been a communicant there? That would have given him another opening to change his middle name, from a generic Arab Muslim name to a more "Christian" one, almost as a kind of ceremony of committment to his Christian beliefs. There were problems with Saddam Hussein all through the Clinton years (1992-2000.) Why didn't he go down to the courthouse then and change his middle name? He couldn't be bothered. He probably told himself that he could slide into the Oval Office one day on his general wonderfulness despite it all. Lazy, lazy lazy!

(Of course, parking can get a bit tight around courthouses. Maybe he was worried about getting another parking ticket. :shrug: )

[democrat2thecore]

11. Or maybe he respected his father - who also had that name.

To me, it showed he was more interested in his family history and legacy than in political points by changing his name.

[Adelante]

32. Are you kidding?

That is the dumbest post I have ever seen from you unless you're kidding.

[Maven]

10. Are you really serious with this?

Way too much time on your hands.

[democrat2thecore]

12. You don't think it says something about a person who goes back and forth ON THEIR NAME? -nt

[Maven]

13. No, I think you're digging.

[democrat2thecore]

14. No, I think that bothers me about her psychological/political make-up -nt

[paulk]

15. LOL

the nonsense that gets posted on DU.....

[NoSheep]

18. God forbid the democrats should have a candidate that's anything other than

a squidbilly!

I'm not a HRC supporter per se, but your point is ridiculous.

[democrat2thecore]

21. If you see changing your name - for POLITICAL purposes - as no big deal...well..

Of course, I also thought the idea of the tiny flake from Cleveland as President was pretty ridiculous as well. So, we see things differently.

[mondo joe]

22. Many married women vary the name they use. It's only a big deal to a few freaks. NT

[democrat2thecore]

23. Back and forth - for political expediency? ----Freaks?--- a little overboard? -nt

[mondo joe]

24. Back and forth depending on mood or whim or preference or ease. Who cares? Oh wait,

I know: some freaks.

[democrat2thecore]

26. What's with the "freaks" thing? Can't disagree with MondoJoe without being a "freak"?

Talk about rude. But, typical of so much of the playground talk here at DU. Crass, profane, personal, so many uncivil people. I'm guessing - under 23?

[mondo joe]

29. You can disagree all you like. Freaks, however, fixate on minute personal details of

others lives that do not effect them.

[NoSheep]

25. Wow.

:rofl:

[democrat2thecore]

27. Well....

Some of us think anyone who could possibly see Dennis Kucinich (!) as President of the United States has little room to pass judgment around here on what is "ridiculous."

[NoSheep]

28. Why don't you just go to bed, huh?

:shrug:

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[democrat2thecore]

34. Insulting.

[MethuenProgressive]

36. Well, duh. You should at least cite your sources:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269263,00.html">The OP's source

[democrat2thecore]

37. An AP story from April of last year? You pick the Fox version & assume it's my "source" - VERY DIRTY

Everyone knows AP stories run all over the country on radio/TV and newspapers. You find it on Fox and make it look like "my source"....that's nasty. Not very progressive.

Example, since you may not be smart enough to understand what the Associated Press is:
Here's the same story at ABC.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3102391

[JohnnyLib2]

33. Well, what do you expect from a woman?

:sarcasm: , extreme :sarcasm:

[calmblueocean]

35. I don't blame her for this. Women have it rough. It's Hil's IWR vote that bugs me.

Women are held to a standard that men are n ot, and Hillary has had to negotiate that changing standard.

What matters to me is whether or not she is honest and trustworthy as a political officeholder and campaigner. I do not feel that she is, and that's why I support Obama as my primary candidate. Her last name means nothing to me.