Obama is exactly who McCain War Hero doesn't want to face

[FrenchieCat]

McCain is all about National Security.

I wrote this a few days ago, and it addresses perfectly why Obama is more electable than Hillary.


McCain’s position:
I’m am a big time War Hero. We were right to go into Iraq. Saddam gone is good. I know what to do to win this war. I wanted to send more troops at the beginning, and I urged for the surge when most were against it. I stood on my principles, and I was right. I want to leave Iraq, but we can leave victorious. It’s important to stay, because if not, there will be genocide, and Al Qaeda will be left to rule Iraq, and turn it into a terrorist state.

Clinton’s position:
Cannot argue about how we got into this war because her vote was the same as McCain's. She has also stated enough times that she wanted Saddam gone and that him being gone was good. She would be forced to move on to how the war was fought. She had a lot of problems with Rumsfeld and how the war was conducted, but she will only be in agreement with McCain, because he thinks that the war wasn’t fought correctly either. Hillary was against the surge, and if the surge is still being portrayed as having been successful, Hillary loses points, which weakens the rest of her argument to get us out of Iraq. McCain will look "resolute" next to her when judged by Repugs, Indies, moderates, and yes the Democrats who are also concerned about National Security.

McCain wins the Iraq War debate, even though most people want out...
He therefore gains the upper hand on National Security matters by defacto of having worn the uniform.

Obama’s Position:
Obama can forcefully argue that the War should never have been fought or authorized. He can point out that as much experience McCain is supposed to have with war, he voted for the debacle that will have ended up costing trillions and killed hundreds of thousands, while the congress was acting tone deaf as the public marched against such move.

Obama then can describe how the war was based on lies, and there were no WMD. That he, Obama, called it for what it was; a Dumb war, and those who supported it who should have known better. He would be speaking from a position of strength having stood against the conventional tide. He can claim the ultimate title of Maverick (McCain's strength), and point out that McCain is the one who supported the President's decision for an elective war, breaking the mold many years of Foreign policy wisdom.

Obama can stressed that well documented fact that there were no links between 9/11 and Iraq, but that McCain acted as though there were. He can then slides in the fact that our economy is now into a recession because we are being held hostage by the Chinese and other countries we have to borrow money from because of our forced expenditures in Iraq. And so, apart from everything else, Obama’s Iraq War opposition provides backbone to go into the economic platform that progressives demand, based on the reason that it is Republican stewardship that has gotten us where we are.

McCain will divert the economic issue by talking about Governmental pork....but Obama can point out that the war is the biggest porker, and roll out some stats. Obama can show without being forced to debate "what to do about Iraq now" on McCain's terms, and he can stress that he had superior judgment on one of the most important national security decision in our current times. He also can brings up McCain's statement of the possibility of our being in Iraq for 100 years.

That's when Obama can move, with an upper hand, on how to get out of Iraq. His argument will carry more credibility than McCain’s by this time...and Obama then proposes how we get out of Iraq.

Obama wins the Iraq War debate, and neutralizes McCain on McCain's strength.

[MADem]

1. Clinton can TOO argue about the war--she can note that the Liar in Chief LIED.

And she can argue about troop withdrawals, while McCain wants to stay for a hundred years.

You don't have to have a left-right, up-down, 'total opposites' debate working to make it effective.

The GOP WANTS Obama as the nominee. He's a weak debater.

Clinton knows McCain's weaknesses...including his preferred brand of scotch. She's gone on CODELS with him; believe me, she knows.

[FrenchieCat]

3. How does someone lying to her make McCain look bad?

It just makes her look gullible. Next thing you know, heads of states will be lying to her about other things. Than what?

[MADem]

4. It doesn't. McCain has a position that DIFFERS from hers.

You either agree that troops come home or they stay for a hundred years. First position, Clinton. Second, McCain.

We aren't talking rocket science here. There is a clear divergence.

You need to understand that the GE is all about what the candidate is GONNA DO, not ancient history.

Platforms, programs, and plans.

Believe whatever you'd like though--you've got a preconceived mindset.

[Duke Newcombe]

2. ...the giant "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT" sound...

you hear is McCain walking into an Obama buzzsaw...

Duke

[Cronus Protagonist]

5. The election will not swing on issues or votes

In fact, it will be the same kind of gut feeling smear campaign no matter who's the Democratic candidate. If McCain's presidential campaign can be derailed because of his "black baby" in 2002, Kerry's for his "cowardice" and "lies" in 2004, the political astute among us know Obama's going to get hit with a three-fer on the lying, gut instinct kind of politics that prevails today... race, experience and religion. (Hillary's already been pilloried, so we know what to expect there.)

Obama's providing the maximum ammo for a GOP smear campaign. They're not even talking about any of it right now because they want him to be locked in before they go hard on him. Why can't any Obama supporters seem to see that? Are they all political neophytes? Don't they wonder why there's nothing on Fox News about Chappaquiddick now that Ted's endorsed Obama? Why not? Think about it, people.

I say the following as a small tiny little example of what to expect the day after the nomination is finalized if Obama is the candidate. I don't beleive a word of it myself, but feel that it's important to get the idea across to provide a small sample.

It doesn't matter about a war vote when "Osama", I mean Barack "Hussein" Obama or "BO - there's a terrible smell coming in the room", or whatever his name is, he won't be "black enough" or he'll be too black, or he'll be an oreo cookie, and he's "inexperienced" (unlike McCain), never served in a war (unlike McCain), his religion is suspect - "he just might be a Muslim" (unlike McCain), and he's going to say and or do something that will be trumpeted from the rooftops for months before the voting begins like Dean's scream or Kerry's stupid teletubbies picture. He'll get angry and mouth off somewhere, you'll see lots of pictures of him hiding his smoking addiction, takng puffs like a sneak thief.

Hillary, whether you like her or not, will do none of these things, except perhaps laugh "shrillary" and "cackle like a witch", and it's not racist to point this out, by the way. Those of us who are veterans of several campaigns know how it will play out and to think otherwise at this point in the game is not only naiive, but dangerous.

She also beats McCain hands down on all the issues. I'd prefer Dennis over all, Edwards in a pinch, Hillary as a last resort. Obama, come back AFTER all your dirty laundry's been aired, you've been reviled all over our TVs and we might have a place for you.

Flame suit on.

[FrenchieCat]

7. You bore me.

Go and vote for the White Lady then.

I don't really give a shit.

When y'all lose, don't come back to me with another fucked up essay. :boring:

[Dogmudgeon]

13. Don't you want to edit that a little?

Arrogant vulgarity is bad enough, but the racism is just a little over the top.

--p!

[candice]

10. The U.K.'s Daily Mail already has had an expose about Obama's father, which

one hopes is a blatant lie. The articles justifies this investigation based on the autobiography that Obama wrote to present himself to the American public for this presidential election.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=431908&in_page_id=1770

A few paragraphs follow:

Many believe Mr Obama is a serious threat to Hillary Clinton's hopes of becoming the Democrats' choice for their next Presidential candidate - and his lovingly written account of the debt he owes his father, also called Barack Obama, will do no harm at all to his Presidential hopes.

Indeed, by offering up a conveniently potted account of his personal history in this way, he might even have made a pre-emptive strike on those sure to pose the awkward questions that inevitably face a serious contender for the White House.

Yet an investigation by The Mail on Sunday has revealed that, for all Mr Obama's reputation for straight talking and the compelling narrative of his recollections, they are largely myth.

We have discovered that his father was not just a deeply flawed individual but an abusive bigamist and an egomaniac, whose life was ruined not by racism or corruption but his own weaknesses.

And, devastatingly, the testimony has come from Mr Obama's own relatives and family friends.

[FrenchieCat]

12. His father left when he was 2. Please. His father is dead.

How old was Bill Clinton's father when he left his mother? Do you know?

Y'all some scary asses.

The GOP force some dumbass into the White House, gets everyone to agree to go to war with him, and you guys are shivering.

That's why we can't get anywhere.....you guys have no backbone.

[candice]

6. Yes, all of the conservative Bu$h supporters are gong to fall over themselves...

to vote for Bama. His most liberal voting record is going to seal the deal.

[FrenchieCat]

8. You don't even have a clue.

Pity you.

[Dogmudgeon]

9. Either way, they lose

1. People are fed up with modern Republicanism.

2. The Republicans themselves are fractured.

3. BOTH Obama and Hillary are exceptionally strong candidates.

This could be a 50-state Democratic victory, no matter who is the nominee.

--p!

[candice]

11. I hope all the ballots are paper ballots and can be recounted.