Oh no..Bill out there attacking again

[my3boyz]

This time it was Senator Kennedy. He is attacking him about No Child Left Behind. He started naming names of people who were pushing NCLB and of course he mentions Kennedy. He said Kennedy forgot to ask the teachers what they thought about it. Apparently Clinton was speaking in front of a teacher's union. The thing I did not like was the way he does his mouth when he is about to attack. He kinda shrugs his shoulders or something. I just don't like it. A few days ago he was begging Kennedy not to endorse or to endorse Hillary. Last night he attacks him. All week I have been saying that it seemed like we had the old Bill back (meaning President Bill Clinton that I like) but now the attack dog seems ready to attack again. Guess I should be happy that he did not attack Barack..........

[frogcycle]

1. bill is undoing his legacy - real fast

he will never again be considered a senior leader of the party - just a partisan self-centered hack

sad

he was doing so well

[jasmine621]

25. He can't undo his legacy. He might be building another one.

But why can't he attack Kennedy on this? Are you saying that Bill has no right to call it like he sees it?+ It's ok for Obama to have attack dogs out there every day but Bill can't speak up for Hillary and against her opponents?

[pdxmom]

26. Unless he also mentioned that Hillary voted for NCLB, he was being a

bit hypocritical.

[wyldwolf]

45. nope. He was showing how both ends of the ideological spectrum voted for it

Kennedy, being a good example of someone who is very liberal.

[frogcycle]

32. ok, mis-stated

but he is losing the respect he had regained after weathering the monicagate thing. He had attained a bit of an "elder statesman" aura. Now he's just another political attack dog.

And sure he has a right to do it. Just doesn't make me look up to him.

[TexasObserver]

31. I've defended his excesses for 20 years. No more.

I defended him before America knew or cared who Bill Clinton was, through his bad speech at the convention in the 80s, through his DLC baptism, through his relationship with Pamela Harriman, through the skirt chasing scandals one after another.

Yes, Teddy was wrong on No Child Left Behind. Badly wrong, and I'll be the first to say so. But it's just bad form to use Bill to trash Teddy before teachers. No Child Left Behind is bad primarily because it's run by the God Awful Republicans from Bush on down. Rod Paige sold his soul to the devil to help Bush perpetrate that fraud. It is wrong, wrong, wrong, for teachers, for administrators and for students. I'm down with attacking the program.

But Bill cannot control himself. He never has been able to do that. I still appreciate all the good things Bill did while president, still resent the 7 year witch hunt they foisted against him. You'd think he'd care more about not trampling his entire legacy in one election year, but he seems bound and determined to do it.

I thought he would be Hillary biggest asset, not her biggest ass hat.

[frogcycle]

33. that's what i meant to say!

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Do you have a quote of what he said?

because it's perfectly fine to attack NCLB.

[LostinVA]

6. NCLB sucks -- funded or NOT funded

[my3boyz]

13. I'm sorry but I don't have an exact quote..

It was on Morning Joe.

[Tellurian]

3. It's the custom here to provide a link to your statement..

Can you post a link related to the topic?

[my3boyz]

15. I don't have the exact quote. I'm sure MSNBC will

run the clip again. They were making a big deal about Bill taking the headlines from Hillary doing a good job in the debate. It was on Morning Joe.

[1corona4u]

47. Well, of course they were...

:eyes:

[MichiganVote]

4. Good. NCLB sucks and its no credit to Kennedy

[City Lights]

5. You're with the Clintons or against them. Who does that remind you of?

:puke:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. Leave No Clintons Behind?

No, No children's Behinds Left (the catholic church version)
how about No Childrens Left Benign?


No, can't answer your question. It's there, but I just can't recall.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. That's a fair policy dispute

Too many DUers freak out over "attacks." When it is a fair policy dispute, it is not an "attack." NCLB is a disaster, and serves only to deprofessionalize the teaching profession. To the extent that Kennedy helped shepherd it in, he deserves criticism.

[ellisonz]

37. Then Hillary deserves to be attacked for voting for it?

[C_U_L8R]

9. doh !

[UALRBSofL]

10. NCLB really SUX

However, I do agree with you, Bill needs to not mention ANY names because it will kill a campaign. Even though I agree it didn't work I would never call out other democrats on it because it only fuels a fire and it hurts our party trying to defeat the repugs.

[City Lights]

11. Did he mention how his wife voted on NCLB? eom

[my3boyz]

17. They only showed a quick clip

on MSNBC. Hillary's name was not mentioned in that clip. You know how they like to show a quick clip (or show only certain pictures as with the snub incident) to stir up controversy.

[City Lights]

24. Thanks. Knowing Bill, I'm guessing he failed to mention that little tidbit.

:hi:

[GalleryGod]

12. Hey, Teddy! Watch this Move!

"Foul's on Billy, his 5th....."

[City Lights]

14. LOL!

Thanks for the laugh!

[SIMPLYB1980]

42. And Obama hasn't done anything disgusting right.

[1corona4u]

48. Wow....

[SIMPLYB1980]

52. Wow indeed.

[pdxmom]

16. I saw the clip on MSNBC this morning, and they're playing it as a slam

on Kennedy. Tried to find a link, but so far, unsuccessful. Basically, he said that NCLB was pushed through by Bush and Kennedy and people in between, but unfortunately, nobody bothered to talk to the teachers before pushing it through. MSNBC was spinning it as slamming Kennedy as not listening to the teachers.

And no, he didn't mention that Hillary voted for it.

[russian33]

19. "they're playing it as a slam"

that pretty much says it all...it doesn't matter what actually happened, it's how they are playing it, they being MSNBC

[pdxmom]

21. Exactly. That was the immediate thought I had was that they were ginning

up a controversy, since it's been quiet for a couple of days.

[shaniqua6392]

18. Sorry but Bill was absolutely right about this one.

Just ask ANY teacher in America. (My daughter is a teacher) It is a bad policy worth pointing out. It is also fair to point out that Kennedy voted for it which brings into question his judgment. But nice try!!

[pdxmom]

20. Hillary also voted for it. Does that bring into question her judgment? N/T

[shaniqua6392]

22. Yep. n/t

[City Lights]

23. Seeing as how she voted for it, it also calls into question her judgement. eom

[onehandle]

27. Kennedy was an original Author of No Child Left Behind.

I imagine this is why Bill is going after him on this.

[robbedvoter]

28. NCLB - really important issue to me, my kids, teachers.

Ruinhs my kid chances at a good education, in a good school that desperately tries to free itself from the klutches of NCLB.

[CTLawGuy]

29. Is Ted Kennedy running for president?

I didn't think so?

[Cameron27]

30. Kennedy is using his family

and his brother's legacy to pick up votes for Obama, so he's fair game.

[grantcart]

34. I think its going to be kinda frosty in the Clinton house Tuesday night

[sandnsea]

35. How long before she files?

I predict if she loses the nomination, divorce papers will be filed after an acceptable "mourning period", 6 months max.

[grantcart]

38. how long do you think it will take to negotiate another huge book deal

[Major Hogwash]

49. He's already got 1, another 1 in the works, and she will have another 1 in the summer.

Her book will be about her experiences on the campaign trail and how exciting it was for her, until she lost the nomination.

[grantcart]

51. well if it ends up including the details about the divorce the poster

was hinting at then she can add a zero to the end of that advance

[SoxFan]

36. Return of the Pander Bear

Paul Tsongas was right.

Which explains why his family is backing Obama...

[JackORoses]

39. This is exactly what we wanted. Now Bill has to tangle with a surrogate.

I imagine it as a deleted scene from Lion King

Clinton as Scar, the usurper
Kennedy as Mufasa, the Old Lion

Except in this version,
Scar is a little too big for his britches and gets his ass clawed off.

[smiley_glad_hands]

40. Oh please, this is how politics works.

Bill's legacy will be just fine. I'm no rabid Hill supporter btw.

[K Gardner]

41. Did Bill unsubscribe from MoveOn.Org, too?

[demo dutch]

43. Sorry happen to agree w/Bill, NCLB sucks!!!

[beachmom]

44. Hillary's site: End the UNfunded Mandate

What that means to me is that they'll reform it and fund it. Just like what Obama wants to do.

I don't like NCLB, but I think it's wrong of Bill to attack Teddy like that.

[Jed Dilligan]

46. Kennedy's pieces of the bill are good

He made sure the Eisenhower grants were reauthorized and mandated disaggregated data reporting. I hope the next version of the education act doesn't throw out the baby with the bathwater just because a large number of Democrats seem to think NCLB = 100% bad.

[BootinUp]

50. According to DU, Bill just has to STFU

I doubt he will take their advice. Keep trying lol.