To those who could "never vote for someone who voted for the IWR"

[Ravy]

We could have really used your help in the 2004 general election. I am convinced we would already be out of that hellhole with enough of your support.

It will probably take your support to get out of it now.

[TheWatcher]

1. Actually, it would have been a lot better to expose the voting fraud in Ohio.

Then you probably wouldn't have to make this proclamation.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

3. nice crutch n/t

[TheWatcher]

20. Nice Matrix.

Keep sleeping.

Nothing exists, nothing's real, it's all a conspiracy theory, and everything functions exactly as you want to believe it does.

2008 will bring about sweeping change as well, and the last 8 years will be magically disappeared as if they never happened.

Really, it will.

All because you believe it.

[vi5]

2. At least some admitted their mistake...

..and vowed not to be fooled again.

I voted for Kerry and Edwards despite them voting for the IWR. They handled the issue well and I recognize that people make mistakes and can forgive if they work to move beyond that mistake and rectify the problems that mistakes caused.

However, someone making that same mistake again and again I can't forgive. Especially when it reeks of political opportunism rather than sincerely held political belief.

[Ravy]

6. Edwards admitted he was wrong, but not until 2005.

And I don't see a rat's ass of difference in how Clinton and Obama are promising to rectify the problems that the mistakes caused, nor in their voting record concerning the occupation since Obama came to the Senate.

[jasmine621]

8. It's ok to admit you are wrong. But so what? Even those voting for IWR

did not want war. Some here are holding HC more responsible than Bush and Cheney for the IWR vote. Let's get our party together to deafeat real culprits in this hellish occupation and return our troops and civilian home safely and as quickly as possible.

[Ravy]

11. Thanks. That is my underlying point.

Hillary admitted she would have voted differently. Saying now that she made the mistake, rather than continuing to maintain it was Bush who didn't allow the IWR to work is taking the focus off of Bush.

And, if Hillary is the nominee, the devisive rhetoric now is sure to damage her further with Democratic voters in November, and thus making John McCains "100 year vision" all that much more possible.

[vi5]

16. I understand what you're saying...

I don't disagree with it entirely. Let's assume we can agree that the vote was for inspectors and it was Bush who violated the terms of the vote and his manipulation of the senators and reps who voted for this is to blame, not their trusting nature.

That being said and agreed upon, falling for more or less the same gambit in Kyl_lieberman how many years and how many lives lost and how many exposed lies later is just unfbelievable to me. It means either someone is so naive and gullible to fall for the same trick twice or that they are just so concerned about appearing weak and how being on the perceiveed wrong side of an issue will affect them politically.

And no I'm not forgiving Obama sitting it out and playing it on the fence. But I'm sorry that's still better (only ever so slightly) than saying "If I've got to risk my career by taking an explicit side on a vote I'm going to side with the warmongering, republican point of view." At least the abstention can be perceived as wanting to know more about the situation before diving in head first.

[vi5]

10. I don't believe he voted for Kyl-Lieberman....

Did he stand up vehemently against it? No, and that's a sore spot with me as well.

But someone who is trying to convince me they won't make the same mistake twice or trying to convince me that they're not someone who puts their own political calculations above the good of the country would probably not have voted for that after what happened on the IWR.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. Edwards wasn't in the Senate at the time of Kyl-Lieberman. Obama voted "Not voting".

[vi5]

15. I meant Obama not Edwards..

I wasn't clear on that, looking back on my post.

[Ravy]

13. I was an Edwards supporter, I just pointed out the date

because the previous poster indicated that the apology make it okay to support them in '04.

I don't think he needed to apologize, unless he knew he was wrong at the time he voted, and did so anyway.

[Skittles]

7. when you f*** up balancing your checkbook, that is a mistake

co-sponsoring/supporting the BIGGEST BLUNDER IN AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY HISTORY, one that is KILLING PEOPLE DAILY and COSTING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS is something that SHREDS YOUR CREDIBILITY. I don't care if they were fooled or misled - EITHER WAY THEY SUCKED.

[Ravy]

17. And of course, Obama pointed this out as he spoke to the convention...

with such soaring rhetoric as "I believe that neither Kerry nor Edwards has the judgement to hold the highest office in the land."

Not.

He indicated he accepted their rationale for the decision, and said that given their circumstance, may have voted that same way.

[Skittles]

18. anyone who was thinking knew it

I am absolutely SICK of DUers giving a pass to people who supported that debacle. And I don't care for Obama either.

[Ravy]

19. Were you that sick of the containment sanctions killing hundreds of thousands?

And I am not giving anyone a pass, I just don't think it is a disqualifier that many on this board are claiming it is... especially if it can all be washed away with an "I'm sorry".

[MoJoWorkin]

4. A LOT of people like me swallowed and voted for Kerry...

An apology goes a long way. The ability to admit one can make a mistake goes a long way. No apology---no vote from me.

GOBAMA

[Ravy]

9. I think you are selling your vote too cheaply....

If I really believed that any Senator voted for the IWR to simply launch a pre-emptive strike against Iraq instead of viewing the vote as a means to ensure that weapons inspectors were allowed back in and UN resolutions were enforced, then no amount of apology would suffice.

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. ...

:thumbsup:

[cali]

5. I suspect I'm not alone in distinguishing between a primary and a

general election.