What happens when the Repugs start planting the "Bill is still Cheating" crap this fall?

[RoadRage]

Let me start by saying I'm on the Obama wagon - but after last nights debate - i'm warming up to Clinton. So much so, that I would feel good about voting for her if she wins the primaries.

Which leads me to the thought of how Republicans will do their best to rail-road her this fall.

I think that they are going to start the "whisper" campaigns of Bill is still cheating on Hillary. (This does not need to be true at all - just needs to be stated.. Obama isn't Muslim, but that hardly stopped the email whispers).

A few weeks after the emails, a few doctored pictures start showing up on the internet of Bill with some woman here or there, along with "Bill Clinton spotted last month at "X" place with "X" women". And then possibly they pay some women to say she had an affair with Bill in '03, etc. And then Bill comes out and says what? "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"? I'm just saying.. if the Repugs decide to row this boat, there aren't many life preservers on it for Bill.

Before you flame me - realize that they had no problem Swiftboating Kerry, and he wasn't nearly as big as a target as Bill is, and didn't have near the recent past to pluck from. Yes, HILLARY is running for president, but the republicans realize that all they have to do is remind America of the media circus surrounding Clenis during the late 90's, and many will just stay home.

Does anyone doubt that we're probably going to see these tactics this fall? How do we start preventing them now?

Flame Away...

[SIMPLYB1980]

1. It will fail because no one really cares.

[rodeodance]

3. yes, I consider that a repug problem -but with Rudy gone. seems a non issue to me.

[elixir]

19. I don't follow. How does Rudy being gone tie with the "Bill's cheating" line?

[RoadRage]

21. Yea.. i'm not sure either?

Actually.. with Rudy running against Clinton, it would almost make it a wash.. or make Hillary Clinton look good.. the Cheated ON vs. the Cheater..

Again.. i realize this topic matters very little to those here on DU, but it does matter to many in the general public, and you can bet that the media will be more then happy to make a mountain out of a molehill with something like this. They've done much more with a lot less.

[RoadRage]

5. Now THAT I have to disagree with...

It mattered so much to many Americans, that Bill was impeached - and many dems were in on that.

Many die-hard democrats do not care.. but unfortunately they won't be the ones staying home if this crap comes out. It'll be the independants and the Values-based Dems (there are some!). They only need a few percent.. just enough to win by 50.01%.. AGAIN.

I'm not saying it matters, i'm asking how we prevent it?

[rodeodance]

11. maybe for some--but in the scheme of things-given all our problems, I just think it

will be a blip on the radar screne if it does pop up. of course that is just my opine.

[TriMetFan]

24. Yep it matter so much that Bill

had a 65% approval rating during the so called impeachment/leaching. Pleaseeeeeeeee no one is going to give a damn if Bill is screwing any one. Come on this is the same guy that now has like a 80% approval rating.

[RoadRage]

31. Show me a link with Bill Clintons "current" 80% Approval Rating Please. NT

[TriMetFan]

36. Well I can't find it.

But I did see it and I'm sorry if you don't believe me. But that's o.k. Bill still has a very high approval rating and this is one thing that will make people that hate/dislike Hillary foam at the mouth.

[RoadRage]

38. 80% approval amoung Dems? I'd believe that..

But not in the general public. If 80% loved Bill, then Hillary would be walking away with this just based on the fact that 75% would be excited about getting 2-for-1.

I honestly can say I do not know of one Republican who can utter Bill's name without getting angry, cursing, or worse. And as we can see from the election of George W. Bush.. more then 20% of this country is unfortunately Repulican.

[TriMetFan]

50. Well I know 2 Republicans that are

going to vote for Hillary. And one of these guy's I got into a shouting match back during the whole impeachment deal. He now thinks that his party is full of asses. But he will not vote for Obama on 2 things. 1. He thinks that Obama really has no respect for our Flag. 2. Resco

[LostinVA]

54. I know one: my father, who has never voted for a Dem before

He likes Hillary, and liked Edwards and Biden. He would have voted for any of the three.

At the time, my Dad thought the whole impeachment thing was a farce and a waste of tax dollars.

on edit: my Dad said about four years ago: "I wish Clinton was still President."

THUD

[Hoof Hearted]

62. My 76 yo mom will vote Democratic for the first time in her life, for Hillary.

She likes her healthcare plan the best.

[LostinVA]

53. It played VERY badly outside the Beltway, which is why it was dropped

They would be foolish to bring it up. All it would do is make the R nom and machine look bad.

[Orsino]

37. It will succeed...

...because a tiny number of people who might have voted will cringe at the alleged sleaze, and stay home.

[RoadRage]

42. And that is my fear! So, how do we go on the offensive to stop it now?

I hope Bill has a very accurate Calander that shows where he's been, what he's been doing & who he's been with for the past 10 years, so he can debuke any bs that comes his way.

"December 3rd, 2003 is when that "picture" was taken you say?" Nope, I have it right here, I was with Hillary & Chelsea at dinner & the symphony until 11pm, here are the ticket stubs." Nice Try.

It's going to take that kind of effort to rebuke this kind of shit... i hope they're prepared!

[Orsino]

43. You can't stop rumors.

You can only buy yourself as much airtime as all the liars have, and swing a few voters. Or maybe you could sweet-talk all the media executives into airing only well-researched and honest journalism.

Good luck with that. ;(

[RoadRage]

45. Well, with newfound info that McCain also had an affair.. at least

we can fight rumors with rumors. Bill's behavior doesn't look nearly as bad if McCain pulled it as well. In fact, maybe we use it against him.. "We don't want another adulter in the white house".. vote for Clinton. She never cheated on Bill!

[rodeodance]

2. I think she will smack em down good.

[H2O Man]

9. I agree.

If Senator Clinton is the nominee, these issues will be raised. They are attempts to reduce Senator Clinton's potential support among republican women. The republicans tried this in the last NYS Senate race, and most voters really did not seem overly concerned with it. Hillary Clinton won the state, including republican counties, by a large margin.

[Zynx]

4. They lose. This really isn't much of a debate. That stuff never helped them.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. She reaches into her blouse

and pulls out a key on a chain she's worn around her neck for the last 9 years and explains it's the key to his cock cage. The crowd applauds.

[SIMPLYB1980]

18. LMAO!

:spray:

[TriMetFan]

26. Best line ever.

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[RoadRage]

29. Alright.. she does that, and I drop Obama like a hot rock and vote for her even in the Primaries! NT

[nonconformist]

61. FREE THE CLENIS!

:spray:

[Saturday]

7. I think we're all wiser now.

We know their tricks and we can deal with them. It doesn't matter who the nominee is they will go after that person. We need to deal with it as Democrats.

[RoadRage]

12. I agree.. this isn't about my vote (I don't care who Billy does or doesn't sleep with)...

I'm just looking for the Republicans biggest approach advantage, and I see this as their opportunity to get the Moral vote out & about again.

I also don't think McCain would neccessarily be the one behind something like this.. just some Clinton-Hating Conservatives who want to win at all costs. I actually think McCain would probably avoid it and stick to the issues.

[rodeodance]

13. nicely put.

[rodeodance]

8. btw-- glad to hear you are 'leaning toward clinton"--Keep an open mind:-)

[RoadRage]

34. I've always had an open mind.. i just needed to see something positive for a change.

Last nights debate did that for me for both candidates!

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Not a Clinton supporter nor a Obama supporter. The people who will care about that

would never vote for Clinton, anyway.

[RoadRage]

15. No, I agree... but I think that something like that would keep some people home..

I'm talking about the people who don't love either candidate, but want "change" and are leaning twoards Clinton. Something like that comes out on October 15th.. and runs in the Media right into early November.. just long enough to keep a few voters from voting for either.

Who knows.. i didn't think anyone would be able to do to Kerry what they did, and I really didn't think anyone would buy that crap- but many did.

I just think it's going to be easier to come up with dirt to muddy the waters with the Clintons, but I also think more people want to vote for her then Kerry.. so maybe it will be a wash, or maybe the repugs are so fractured that they won't care to even bother!?

[fletcherwalker]

14. You mean like you are doing now?

Hopefully the American voter has grown up a little in the past seven years. Even Republicans seem to be getting past that kind of thing.
It's kind of sad to have to hear it from an alleged Democrat. I'm sure you are just bringing it up out of real concern for the party as a whole.

[RoadRage]

17. Right.. i see a legitimate way for Clinton to get Swiftboated..

Ask for how we prevent this crap from happening again, and I'M the only one who's thought that Bill is going to be brought up and used as a weapon against us in November. Yeah.. this is all my fault!!

Nevermind.. i'll just bookmark this thread to come back to in October when it's all over CNN so I can claim that I invented this idea.

Maybe i'll make some money on such a great original idea!?

[CTyankee]

16. I know Democrats who don't want Bill Clinton back "roaming around the White House"

They're still mad at him for Monica. And this campaign just brings thatall back to them.

I don't worry about what the Repubs will say. But if this is a negative for Dems, you can imagine what the Indies might be thinking, and we'll need their votes...

[SIMPLYB1980]

20. I've never met "these" "Democrats" you speak of.

The one's I know think it's none of anyones business, unless you are a "Family values" Republican.

[RoadRage]

23. Ohh.. i know SEVERAL...

My brother, both uncles and several friends. Most are Union guys.. my brother & uncles are all fire-fighters. They tote the Union line, vote democrat for economic reasons.. but when it comes to social issues, they're not exactly gay friendly, think all illegals should be rounded up and taken back to Mexico and they all dislike Bill & Hillary.

My "little" brother & I have had several heated discussions about these issues.. i have several gay friends and get pissed when he goes on his rant.

He is on the list of "I'll vote for anyone but Hillary.. if she wins, i'll just stay home". Ironically, they all liked Bill back in the 90's until the Monica thing came out.. that pushed a lot of 'em over the edge.

[CTyankee]

33. No, they are good Dems. A very mixed lot in terms of their demographics.

I was very surprised to hear that sentiment, myself. I think they'll come around in the GE but in the primary, it's no go for HRC for them. Sorry, I'm not trying to stir sh*t here. I can say that this argument is dismissed by MOST Dems I know, in all fairness. My spouse was very dismissive when we discussed it last night at dinner; he is a devoted HRC supporter and active in our local Ward...guess I can't blame you for feeling that way!

[Clinton Crusader]

22. First, no one cares, second, didnt McCain have an affair...

with this one he's married to now? Or am I wrong? Didn't he have an affair with one, dump his wife and marry her? If yes, isnt that fodder? Why doesnt anyone talk about THAT for crikey sake....

[RoadRage]

25. Great Question!

I didn't know McCain had an affair.. this is the first i've ever heard of it. That is great news if it's true.. i never thought the Repugs would allow someone so "unethical" to be given their crown.

But, it hasn't been mentioned in the media at all (that i've seen?).. i hope that will be changing soon.

Most didn't know Rudy had cheated on his wife(s), was Pro-Choice, and supported Gay Rights at first either.. until the Media came out with it, and he lost all support. Perhaps that will happen to McCain as well. Great post!

[MonkeyFunk]

35. yes he did

which is why he won't bring it up.

[RoadRage]

40. I don't think McCain will be the one to bring this up..

Just like George W. didn't bring up the swiftboating. It's going to be a rouge independent Conservative group.. or hell, in this day & age it could just be some 20 year old conservative college kids with photoshop and an internet connection.

Even before I read that McCain had an affair, I didn't think he'd be the one to start this kind of crap.. it will be someone totally unassociated with the campaign.

The big question is "how much will it matter, if it happens"?

[MonkeyFunk]

41. And an independent liberal group will then

do it to McCain. I'll contribute to them.

[Gloria]

27. What happens when Rethugs start going with the Obama-Odinga connection??

It's already out there, bubbling. I searched around yesterday and came up with a load of sites, plus some more toward mainstream..,..

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. Who's Odinga???? I missed that story. n/t

[Gloria]

59. Larry Johnson summarizes it all....

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/31/obamas-african-hubris-2/trackback/

If you Scroogle "Obmma Odinga" you will then see all the blog discussion circulating....

[Clinton Crusader]

28. I had it wrong - this is correct - McCain's cheating ways

During the time in Jacksonville, the McCains' marriage began to falter McCain had extramarital affairs, and he would later say, "My marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine." His wife Carol would later echo those sentiments, saying "I attribute more to John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again than I do to anything else."

[russian33]

30. it'll fail like it did the first time

remember, he left with a very high rating at the end of his presidency

[madmom]

32. just start reminding them of ALL the repuke sex scandals lately, print off a list and ..

hand it to them ,I would, it would be several pages so have plenty of paper and ink.

[opihimoimoi]

39. Where is that Pic of John hugging Bush?? Thats all the Boating we need to do...

[Clinton Crusader]

44. right here---->

[RoadRage]

46. I just kinda threw up in my mouth a little bit... NT

[opihimoimoi]

51. Thats the one...its a McLame Killer......Bush is the KISS OF DEATH, Donald Trump

Poor John...the Pubs are throwing him under the Bus and he don't even know it

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. The American citizens hated what the repukes were doing to Clinton when he was in office. He left

office with a 65% APPROVAL rating. If the repukes try that AGAIN, the people will NOT tolerate it...just like the last time.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. Bill is NOT runing and Hillary has been dealing with the rethuglican machine ....

for 20 years and she stands TALL and STRONG before it.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

52. What happens when REPUBS say OBAMA IS SNORTING COKE?

[RoadRage]

55. Obama did drugs 20 years ago, and wrote about it himself in his own book..

I don't think the repubicans can milk as much from that as they can from Bill, and the cheating. And, i'm not talking about them bringing up the past - i'm thinking they will re-create it by implying he's still doing it, or will do it while living in the white house. They're going to do whatever they think they can do to keep Hillary out of the whitehouse, and with McCain running, they don't have a lot of other Ammo against her.

[PinkTiger]

56. She can handle this. I would like to see anyone ask her on this.

She would, I'm sure, eviscerate them with a smile. And they would deserve it.

[RoadRage]

58. Yup.. and it will definitely be asked.. either by the Repug.. or the Media.. or Wolf Blitzer. NT! :)

[BenDavid]

57. I have it on 6 degrees of separation if the repugs wanna go

that route, the Clintons are ready for it....One might suspect there is a record of whom Bill has met with and the times and the dates of said folks and if this be the case then when the rethugs or rather the RNC will look damn foolish and will be a big plus for HRC and the american people.

[Hoof Hearted]

60. People did not care when he WAS getting laid, why would they care about "maybe"

If they float that, there will be a deafening chorus of WHO CARES.

The public didn't care then, they won't now either.

[democrat2thecore]

63. Because it is HUMILIATING to Hillary - would NOT look good at all

It would remind people of the Clinton scandals of the '90's.