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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:46 PM Original message |
Obama admitted that he does not "KNOW" what he would have done regarding the IWR vote... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. This has been answered for months |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. "Answered"??? I posed no question. |
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ericgtr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Obama was against it all along |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. If he was against it all along he should have said so, instead he said "I don't know"... |
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ericgtr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Spinning it is exactly what you are doing |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. In 2004 he doesn't know if he's for it or if he's against it...classic FLIP~FLOPPER... |
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ericgtr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Of course he will |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I do when I am replying to your posts....yes... |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. He said "I don't know." |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. He's being honest and diplomatic in addressing a hypothetical--Obama |
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REDFISHBLUEFISH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. Another Obama flip? |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No, another post where a line was 'conveniently' skipped |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Once again, read the OP...the quote is there in its entirety. n/t |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why must those posting this 'i don't know' crap almost always cut of the very next line |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Did you read the OP? |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I'll admit having gotten an egg on my face, and it was hard boiled to |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Well, thanks for admitting it...and I realize things can get heated... |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:08 PM Original message |
i mostly see it as him being honest while giving some |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Sounds like what any intelligent person would say |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Agreed |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
88. Plenty voted NAY ... |
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cjmastaw (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. Fortunately, Just like you guys say... You Can't Change The Past! |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. He didn't get anything right, because he admitted he didn't "know" how he would vote... |
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cjmastaw (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. but he did say before the vote that he didn't support it. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
58. Please, if there is anyone who should be the very picture of "lazy" it's Obama... |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
80. we could have used a little more "laziness" from Hillary n/t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. Obama needs to explain the "I know" part of his infamous Oct 26th 2002 speech |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. maybe this is how he knew... just sayin..let's introduce you to Nadhmi Auchi iraqi billionaire |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. The Obama/Rezko/Auchi connection deserves more investigation... |
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cjmastaw (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Rezko was supporting the Clintons just as long as Obama |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Yet Obama has been in the employ of the Syrian Slum~lord...lest you forget... |
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cjmastaw (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. NO, his firm was. He had about as much to do with it as Hillary and Whitewater. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Then why did Obama buy a piece of property from Rezko? The devil made him do it? |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
57. thanks CPH. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. The repubs are chomping at the bit...if they are allowed to do battel against Obama... |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
92. Oh...This and other issues have been held back...imo... |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Why is it not obvious to more people...the repubs are playing our party like a violin... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
16. I hope he comes up with a similar way to support Hillary if she gets the nomination. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
66. He could have been honest and said "I would have voted against it"... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. He could have said that but while you're campaigning for a fellow Democrat |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
18. Wow, you can't even finish reading your own quote. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I did, and he said "I don't know"...either he lied or he "didn't know." |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Except he opposed the war, was against the war and has been against the war. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Except Obama HAS BEEN FUNDING THE IRAQ WAR at each and every turn. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. He also admitted he didn't see justification for the war, right? |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
68. So he FUNDS a war he doesn't believe to be justified... |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. So you're admitting Clinton still supports the war? |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
94. Obama HAS supported the war with his votes. I'm glad we agree on that. |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. Uh.... so has Hillary, and for the same reasons I'm guessing. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
95. B.H. Obama is running as the anti~war candidate...yet he funds the war he says he opposed... |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. I thought Hillary opposed the war now too? |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
90. The "record" is that he was vocal in the Iraq resolution being a stupid fucking idea. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Yeah and when was that? Not on 7/26/04 when he didn't know how he would have voted. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. I am now laughing out loud. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. righto, but he didn't know what others, including Senator Clinton |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
20. CyberPieHole |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:03 PM Original message |
snooper2 |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
23. But he didn't, Clinton did. No spin will ever change that fact. n/t |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yeah, Obama admitted to being ignorant...he doesn't know what he would have done... |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. And you obviously are ignoring a bulk of his statement. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Then, if he "knew" the "case was not made", why did he NOT "know" what he would do? |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:14 PM Original message |
He explained what his opinion was. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
83. And there lies the |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
100. Yes, they did. And for some reason, from the vantage point with even more information ... |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. I see you've been set on the Cyclone spin cycle. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. He has voted to fund the war on each and every turn... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. He was trying to support Kerry. I hope he does the same for Hillary if she is nominated. n/t |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. The way I see it |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
30. Of all the really really dumb attempts to smear a candidate... |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Wow, did you come up with that all by your little self? |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Willfully ignoring the first part of the quote is, in fact, a smear tactic |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. "Word" is a smear tactic... |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. I supplied all of his "words" from that quotation... |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
38. by his "vantage point" in 2004 , it is safe to say the the case was not made |
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abburdlen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. I think you highlighted the wrong part |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Making a statement in 2004 that the case was not made sounds |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Want something earlier, here's his speech at an anti-war protest in 2002. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Then you would have thought he would have made up his mind by 2004 |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. He obviously did, since he said there was no justification, eh? |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Except he said he doesn't know what hew would have done... |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. And you're taking 3 words over years of statements and quotes. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. A simple "I'd have voted against it" would have been a little more |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Sweet, we have something in common! |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Then where did those three words come from? I'll bet if somebody |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I have a question for you. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Never saw that quote before right now. It just sort of sums up the |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. But he gave a specific answer right after the quote. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. But now we're right back to the "vantage point of 2004" thing. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. yeah, it's always so much easier to take sides AFTER the deal is done... |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. He snuck in another "no vote" - a "you can't catch me!" |
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abburdlen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. You know he was opposed to the war |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. He was "opposed" to a war he has been funding? |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
82. so is Hillary. She opposes the war yet votes to fund it |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Then why couldn't a simple "I'd have voted against it" suffice? |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
72. In all fairness under huge public pressure I guess he wouldn't know but nonetheless he didn't have.. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
79. Coulda Woulda Shoulda bullshit, again |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. He said he didn't know...the Obamanations don't know how to read or are disingenuous. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
84. Any reasoning person recognizes Obama's comment as being honest and genuine. |
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Harkpark (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
85. Just being honest maybe |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. True dat. |
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Harkpark (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. What you not agreed with point 1 |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Naah I not agree wit point 1 but the rests of your post iz cool. |
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Harkpark (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Hehehe |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
98. It bothers me that the bots allow him to be an apologist for Kerry |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
101. For the archives... Hillary Clinton didn't read the Iraq NIE before voting for war. |
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