Obama says his voters won't support Hill is she gets nomination

[KennedyGuy]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx

The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true. He took credit for helping to expand the playing field for Democrats by "attracting new voters and independent voters into the process in a way that Senator Clinton cannot do."

"I don't take all the credit for the enormous upsurge in participation in the Democratic primaries and caucuses over the last four contests," Obama said while taking questions from reporters in Los Angeles. "But I think it's fair to say nobody has done more to engage and bring people in who otherwise would not participate."

Obama and McCain both attract a large number of Independents, while Clinton is stronger among Democrats than Independents. Using Nevada as an example, Obama said while Clinton did well in Clark County where traditional Democrats reside, he did well in Elko, a place without traditional Democratic votes.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

Obama also repeated his assertion he would be best to counter McCain on Iraq. "There's going to be a contest with John McCain, potentially, somebody who's been very clear and firm about his position on the war," he said. "If we go in there suggesting that it just was not managed well by George Bush, then Senator McCain will be able to come back and argue, that in fact we've reduced violence in the surge, we're now getting it right in his framework. I totally dispute that. I think it's easier for me to dispute given my long standing belief that it was a strategic error on the part of the Bush administration."

[Drunken Irishman]

1. This Obama supporter will.

[Alexander]

3. This one too.

[jasmine621]

59. We see now who really is the divisive candidate.

I saw a clip of Hillary asking her crowd of supporters if they had seen the debate last night and saying "weren't you thrilled to know that one of us is going to the next President of the US?" (paraphrasing). I thought hers was a very unifying move. Not so with Mr. Obama.

[Buzz Clik]

2. You misrepresented what he said.

He also made an identical statement a week or two ago.

[Thrill]

4. Misleading Title

Do you folks ever stop with this kind of stuff

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[John Q. Citizen]

15. In my state, Hillary won't win. But Obama could win. There are a lot of independents who

would vote for Obama who definatly won't vote for Hillary.

[John Q. Citizen]

28. Is this where the HRC supporters are at? Distortion, misrepresentation, and obtuse statements?

You all must be feeling a little worried if that's how you have to try and play it.

After repeated race baiting by various Hill surragotes do you suppose that perhaps some black voters might not be too anxious to rush out and vote for Hill?

Do you imagine that just maybe there are lots of independent voters who might not want to vote for Hill but would consider voting for Obama?

Do you think that maybe some in the left wing progressive/anti war movement maybe would stay at home instead of voting for a life long hawk?

I can think of a few states that Hill can't win, but that Obama could.

I can't think of any states that Hill could win but Obama couldn't.

Can you? Can you think of any states Hill could win but Obama couldn't?

Look. Lifes not fair. But you have to be at least a tiny bit realistic.

[Tarc]

30. "Can you think of any states Hill could win but Obama couldn't?"

All of them?

[John Q. Citizen]

45. I think Che might vote for Obama, but I doubt he'd vote for Hillary.

All of them? You think Hill can win all fifty states in the GE?

I don't think you are being realistic here.

Your emotions are getting the better of you.

[Tarc]

46. And your naivety is getting the better of you

Obama is far too much of a neophyte and will get shredded in the general election. I'd still vote for him of it comes to that, but it'd be a lost cause.

[John Q. Citizen]

56. I don't know. Gallop has him 3% behind Clinton nationaly today. He seems to have the

momentum, and if he can close a 25% gap in a few months like he had with the fearsome, experienced, and ferocious Hillary, then he might not be as helpless as you think.

So honestly, who do you think Che would vote for? I mean if he were still alive?

[KennedyGuy]

32. Obamas words speak for themselves..

He's the cocky one...
his followers are so lemming-like, they'll probably listen..

[John Q. Citizen]

42. Yeah, we have college educations and the reading comprehension that goes with that.

He pointed out that some of his supporters wouldn't nessasarily vote for Hill in the GE. And he's right.

You are arguing with the wronng people. You should be arguing with the independents who won't vote for Hill, but would vorte for Obama.

Come on up to Montana and check it out. I'll take you out to some bars and you can ask folks if they would vote for Hillary. I already have and I know the answer.

Hell my teen daughter went with her class to talk to seniors and she told me one senior told her she might vote for Obama but she would never vote for Hill. That's very common. That's what I hear all over my state.

We have a 2 Dem Senators and a Dem governor, and we had to fight like hell to get them in. They got the independent vote. But those independents aren't going to vote for Hill

You can get all pissy but thems the facts of life.

[Andromeda]

72. Your post is typical of most Obama supporters.

Insulting
uncivil
ill-mannered
offensive
hurtful
insensitive
unkind
rude
insufferable
despicable
inexcusable
reprehensible
pathetic
ludicrous

AND hateful!

[psychopomp]

76. This is exactly Sen. Obama's point

The independents and moderates who are attracted to his campaign may not vote for Sen. Clinton in the GE.

[Thrill]

18. Hey you idiot. Can you read? He said

its not clear she would get his supporters votes. He didn't say his voters wouldn't support her or vote for her? Dumbass

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[Thrill]

41. Only one scared is you

If you weren't, you wouldn't be distorting what he said. Doesn't show much confidence

[Whisp]

36. holy crap, it's YOU that can't read.

what a cheap low down shot.
I'm alerting on this shit.

[Uben]

5. Does this mean he won't support Hillary if she wins

He needs to answer that question.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

13. He needs to answer that question.

He supposedly did last night at the end. The unity thing...blah blah blah...Then he comes outwith a message that tells his supporters It is OK to snub hillary if she wins.

Lack of Character on his part!
I am a bit angry over this one. The Bill Clinton is racist garbage a few weeks agpo bothered me, his underlings dirty politics bothered me...This time it is him DOING DIRTY campaign stuff, It really points to a character flaw.

[onetinsoldier]

74. WHAT HE MEANT

WHAT HE MEANT IS SIMPLY THIS,OBAMA HAS BROUGHT A LOT OF NEW VOTERS TO THE POLLS ,MOSTLY YOUNGER PEOPLE AND MANY BLACKS WHO FELT DISENFRANCHISED BEFORE HIS APPEARANCE ON THE SCENE,IF OBAMA GETS THE NOMINATION THEY WILL VOTE FOR HIM IN THE GENERAL HOWEVER IF HILLARY GETS THE NOMINATION MANY,MANY OF THE YOUNGER VOTERS ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR ENTHUSIASM AND STAY HOME FOR THE GENERAL

[judaspriestess]

78. well thats pretty stupid and pathetic if they(younger voters) stay home

if Hillary gets the nomination. That is not a uniter

[Blarch]

6. He is saying...

the wave of new voters is because HE is in the race.

These new voters might not show up for Hllary. He is 100% right, this could happen.

[KennedyGuy]

11. Well..isn't HE the promised one then...

[BlackVelvet04]

17. and people wonder why

others don't like him.

[kikiek]

26. Gee isn't it nice that he has supporters that interpret his remarks for him. They know him so well.

He sounds more and more arrogant everyday.

[MoonRiver]

7. I was waiting to see if his so called chivalry and friendliness last night was all a sham.

I didn't have to wait long to find out he's the same old poser.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. It's pretty obvious the man is not who/what he portrays himself to be.

It was all an act.

[UALRBSofL]

9. Interesting Article

Thanks for posting. It's a keeper.

[tandem5]

10. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

so vote for me 'cause my followers are more stubborn and thus you'll lose the general without me. Ah unity.

[KittyWampus]

12. Only an asshole would INTENTIONALLY misinterpret that statement. He clearly means C. won't appeal to

as many voters across the board.

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[KennedyGuy]

23. you really are scared..eh?

I would be too if my candidate was as reckless as Obama

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[Midlodemocrat]

34. Why don't you try being civil?

Your behavior is worse than a 2 year old's. You do your candidate no good by being such a moranic asshat.

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[Midlodemocrat]

38. LOL. Dude, don't even go there with me. You'll regret it.

[pbca]

14. I won't

Just to avoid the question - I'm a dual citizen, I can vote in both countries

I'm not 100% sold on Obama yet, but he's getting closer

I won't vote for Hillary.

[robbedvoter]

19. Few more statements like these, and Hillary voters can dig in their heels as well

Not too bright.

[John Q. Citizen]

33. Hill can't win my state but Obama could. It would be close, but in play. There 's more states

like that.

We have a ton of independent voters and they won't vote for Hill. Honest.

[amandabeech]

51. Will they stay home or vote Republican?

Just curious.

I'm in Maryland, and I think that either one could pull it off here over the leading Pubbies.

[demo dutch]

22. Empty threats! It won't work!

[Kat45]

24. If he campaigned for her and asked his supporters to vote for her,

would it make a difference?

(FYI: I don't have a horse in this race yet. I'm still trying to decide who to vote for next week.)

[kikiek]

31. I expect the same if he wins the nomination then. He needs to come knocking. If his job of uniting

people is any indication of how he will be as president he is going to suck.

[John Q. Citizen]

48. His Dem base will vote for her. But he has a lot of supporters who are independents,

and they just plain flat out don't like Hillary.

They wouldn't vote for her if their mom asked them to, and their mom won't because she doesn't like Hillary either.

There are also anti war lefties who would vote for Obama, but wouldn't vote for Hill.

It upsets the Hill supporters, they start calling people names and such, but that's just a fact of life.

In my state, Obama would have a shot, the state would be in play. Hillary absolutely couldn't win here if her life depended on it. So I do know what I'm talking about. We have a ton of independents, a handful of greens, and Obama could get their votes. Hill couldn't.

And that's not Obama's fault. That's just how those folks see Hillary.

[rucky]

25. "the" (new & indy) votes. not all of his votes.

but I think you knew that already.

[beachmom]

27. He's talking about Independents who are NOT Democrats.

His Democratic voters like me will vote for Hillary. But the crossovers -- well, that will be tough.

[Tarc]

29. Ahh, Obama the grand uniter

:sarcasm:

4 days til he takes a seat next to Bill Bradley, `04-Edwards, etc...

[KennedyGuy]

37. Ned Lamont..Howard Dean...

[Bitwit1234]

39. Pouty pouty pouty we saw that when he wouldn' shake Hillary's hand.

[surfermaw]

43. If he can't handle his supporters , that speaks loads about him

[Sybbis]

47. This is so sad...

Last night's debate was fantastic. I'll support Hillary to the end, but I've always really liked Obama and guess what? I still do. I hate the juvenile sniping that goes on between the two camps.

I was out walking my dog this morning and got into a casual conversation with a neighbor about the debates. She, I learned, is an Obama supporter. We are both a-bit-past-middle-aged, college educated women. We had a lovely, pleasant discussion. We talked about the candidates, the debate, how we'll miss John and Elizabeth Edwards, our support for our choice. Most importantly - it was immediately stated that WE WILL BOTH VOTE FOR THE OTHER CANDIDATE IF HE/SHE TAKES THE NOMINATION. There was simply no question about it, it wasn't even on the table. There was no bitterness or rancor in the conversation - NONE.

That's what it's really like out here in America (we're in Los Angeles). Hardcore supporters may be petulant and foolish, witholding their votes if their candidate isn't nominated. The rest of us are sensible, loyal, intelligent Democrats. We know where the rubber hits the road and come November, we're all in the same car. It's the one parked in front of the Supreme Court with the "End the War in Iraq" bumper sticker.

Go DEMOCRATS.

[Kat45]

49. Welcome to DU.

I agree with you. It's definitely more important to get a Dem in the White House than to be petty if you're preferred candidate doesn't get the nom.

[Sybbis]

55. Thanks! (although I'm not exactly "new")...

I remember visiting and occasionally posting to this site some years ago. It was probably under a different nickname but may not have been. I'm afraid I'm a "foul weather" friend to political sites. I'm driven, compulsively, to discuss these things during election years but fade away when the election's over.

Anyway, thanks for the kind welcome. I think that most folks will do the right thing in November, even those who are all het up right now.

[1776Forever]

50. He is so right on this one! Hillary will not get my vote and I have voted for 40 years!

:scared: Just don't want to be fooled again!!!!!!!! NAFTA and the Communications Bill of 1996 among other things did me in with the Clinton's. Time for a change!!!!!!!

[Ravy]

52. Maybe you could change your nickname to "IraqForever" with that line of thinking... nt

[LWolf]

53. I won't support either one of them. n/t

[NMDemDist2]

54. self delete n/t

[robbedvoter]

57. I think he shouldn't be so sure of Hillary supporters - we hear and see him

I heard this statement of "his voters" - twice so far, and the diss of Fla voters - and I might just stay home in November rather than being taken for granted. Screw it all! Moveon stabs me in the back, this arrogant ass is sure I'd vote for him - I think I'll change my attitude: it's my candidate of no one!
All the fuzzies from last night - gone!

[Bonobo]

58. Not an auspicious start for the "new and improved" OP. Misleading to say the least.

You implied that Obama was making a threat.

He is not.

Dirty pool.

[bernicewilliams]

60. Obama is playing the race card

There is a motive behind EVERY comment uttered by Bill Clinton, so let's assign a motive to Obama's words.

And I really see a motive.

He means that the African Americans that has been pissed off by the media will be so angry of Clinton wins that they will stay home or vote for the Republican in November.

[CyberPieHole]

61. He shouldn't count on my vote...if Obama gets the nod, I don't vote for President...

plain and simple.

:kick: and recommend

[Cameron27]

62. He makes these arrogant statements, then

leaves room for his surrogates to interpret them anyway they wish. He shouldn't count on Hill's supporters sticking with him if he's the nominee, I know plenty of them who are so turned off, that they'll stay home. I'll vote for the nominee, but it won't be easy if it's him.

[ruggerson]

63. That's a really dumb thing to say to her supporters

He should be ASKING for our votes, not expecting them.

[jasmine621]

66. I haven't anything coming from HC that is quite this divisive.

It's almost like telling his supporters not to vote for Hillary should she win the nomination.
With Hillary we are familiar with the kind of person she is. I see a really nasty streak in Obama and I am not sure just what kind of "leader" or "unifier" he would be. Unifying a mass of Clinton haters is not difficult. The key is what he will do with Independents or undecides. He may be overplaying his hand.

I saw a clip of Hillary asking her crowd of supporters if they had seen the debate last night and saying "weren't you thrilled to know that one of us is going to the next President of the US?" (paraphrasing). I thought hers was a very unifying move. Not so with Mr. Obama.

[robbedvoter]

69. Voters are dirt for Obama - delegates grow on trees apparently. Strike 2

One more like this one - and I will pledge to never vote anyone else but Hillary this year.

[mark_bruns74]

64. sad but true

he still shouldn't have said it though. they'd be unbeatable together and hes saying things that might make it impossible

barack stay elevated. thats why we love you

[Andromeda]

65. These comments by Mr. Obama

Just confirms the opinion I've had of him all along.

Obama is an arrogant asshole and he's not fit to be president.

Good luck to all of you who are voting for this man. If he should win he will fuck up and because of your choices we are all going to suffer.

[mark_bruns74]

67. what he said is true though

there are many young voters and some african americans who will only show up for barack. i do agree that he shouldnt have said it right after that great last debate and the hope most of us felt thinking of them running together.

[robbedvoter]

70. And there are many more women who listen to these words and are not exactly doormats

[pingzing58]

68. I agree. This argument that his supporters will not vote for Hillary in the GE is a SCARE TACTIC.

Might as well say that if Obama does not get the nomination Al-Qaeda will activate it's sleeper cells on U.S. soil. And he knows this how? How does he know that if he does not win the nomination that all of his supporters will not vote for Hillary? Weird, just weird. He started saying this in SC about the black vote and now he's saying this still today about all of his supporters.

[robbedvoter]

71. and the flip side about Hillary supporters - is patronizing - which will get him bubkus

[ErnestoG]

73. Do you EVER stop lying?

Here is what you said in the OP line:

Obama says his voters won't support Hill is she gets nomination

Here is what Obama ACTUALLY said:

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

Where in there does he say that Hillary WILL NOT get those votes, as you purport in your thread?

That's right, he doesn't. Tell me, do you think being a bald faced liar will help your candidate's case?

[Th1onein]

75. What a jerk!

At this time in the history of this country, we need to STAND TOGETHER as Democrats. If we get another Republican in the White House, we are DOOMED. We will not be able to turn back any of the Bush administration's damage to this country. We might as well say bye bye to America.

If Hillary wins, I will vote for her. If Obama wins, I will vote for him. I am a patriotic American.

[AX10]

77. Arrogance as usual.