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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 07:55 PM
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CLARITY ON IRAQ: Senator Paul Wellstone's speech on the Iraq War Resolution
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 07:57 PM by wheresthemind
Now that we are talking about Iraq again the facts are getting muddled. Lets just be clear:

Opposing the war in Iraq was incredibly unpopular and politically dangerous in 2002.
The most politically expedient act was to support the war, and if you had the chance, to vote for it.
Despite the claims of some there WERE those who knew it was wrong, said it was wrong, and stood against it.

Support the candidate you wish based on these facts, but do not DARE dispute these facts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF2CLRZLK2E

Senate floor speech regarding military action in Iraq, 2002

In the middle of tough re-election campaign, Wellstone announces opposition to Iraq war resolution.

01/04/2005

Regarding Military Action Against Iraq: October 3, 2002

Mr. President, as we turn later today to address our policy on Iraq, I want to take a few minutes to outline my views. The situation remains fluid, and Administration officials are engaged in negotiations at the United Nations over what approach we ought to take, with our allies, to disarm the brutal and dictatorial Iraqi regime.

Our debate here is critical because the administration seeks our authorization now for military action including possibly unprecedented, pre-emptive, go-it-alone military action in Iraq, even as it seeks to garner support from our allies on a tough new UN disarmament resolution.

Let me be clear: Saddam Hussein is a brutal, ruthless dictator who has repressed his own people, attacked his neighbors, and remains an international outlaw. The world would be a much better place if he were gone and the regime in Iraq were changed. That's why the U.S. should unite the world against Saddam, and not allow him to unite forces against us.

A go-it-alone approach, allowing for a ground invasion of Iraq without the support of other countries, could give Saddam exactly that chance. A pre-emptive go-it-alone strategy towards Iraq is wrong. I oppose it.

I support ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction through unfettered U.N. inspections, which should begin as soon as possible. Only a broad coalition of nations, united to disarm Saddam, while preserving our war on terror, is likely to succeed. Our primary focus now must be on Iraq's verifiable disarmament of weapons of mass destruction. This will help maintain international support, and could even eventually result in Saddam's loss of power.

Of course, I would welcome this, as would most of our allies. The president has helped to direct intense new multilateral pressure on Saddam Hussein to allow U.N. and International Atomic Energy Agency weapons inspectors back in to Iraq to conduct their assessment of Iraq's chemical, biological and nuclear programs. Saddam clearly has felt that heat, and it suggests what might be accomplished through collective action. I am not naive about this process, and much work lies ahead. But we cannot dismiss out-of-hand Saddam's late and reluctant commitment to comply with U.N. disarmament arrangements, or the agreement struck Tuesday to begin to implement it. We should use the gathering international resolve to collectively confront his regime by building on these efforts through a new U.N. disarmament resolution.

This debate must include all Americans, because our decisions finally must have the informed consent of the American people, who will be asked to bear the costs, in blood and treasure, of our decisions. When the lives of the sons and daughters of average Americans could be risked and lost, their voices must be heard by Congress before we make decisions about military action.

Right now, despite a desire to support our president, I believe many Americans still have profound questions about the wisdom of relying too heavily on a pre-emptive, go-it-alone military approach.

Acting now on our own might be a sign of our power. Acting sensibly and in a measured way in concert with our allies, with bipartisan Congressional support, would be a sign of our strength.

It would also be a sign of the wisdom of our founders, who lodged in the President the power to command U.S. armed forces, and in Congress the power to make war, ensuring a balance of powers between co-equal branches of government. Our Constitution lodges the power to weigh the causes for war and the ability to declare war in Congress precisely to ensure that the American people and those who represent them will be consulted before military action is taken.

The Senate has a grave duty to insist on a full debate that examines for all Americans the full range of options before us, and weighs those options, together with their risks and costs. Such a debate should be energized by the real spirit of September 11: a debate which places a priority not on unanimity, but on the unity of a people determined to forcefully confront and defeat terrorism and to defend our values.

I have supported internationally sanctioned coalition military action in Bosnia, in Kosovo and Serbia, and in Afghanistan. Even so, in recent weeks, I and others including major Republican policymakers like former Bush National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, former Bush Secretary of State James Baker, my colleague on the Foreign Relations Committee Senator Hagel, Bush Mideast Envoy General Anthony Zinni and other leading US military leaders have raised serious questions about the approach the Administration is taking on Iraq.

There have been questions raised about the nature and urgency of Iraq's threat, our response to that threat, and against whom, exactly that threat is directed. What is the best course of action that the U.S. could take to address the threat? What are the economic, political, and national security consequences of possible U.S. or U.S.-British invasion of Iraq? There have been questions raised about the consequences of our actions abroad, including its effects on the continuing war on terrorism, our ongoing efforts to stabilize and rebuild Afghanistan, and efforts to calm the intensifying Middle East crisis, especially the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And there have been questions raised about the consequences of our actions here at home.

Of first and greatest concern, obviously, are the questions raised about the possible loss of life that could result from our actions. The United States could send tens of thousands of U.S. troops to fight in Iraq, and in so doing we could risk countless lives, of U.S. soldiers and innocent Iraqis. There are other questions, about the impact of an attack in relation to our economy. The United States could face soaring oil prices and could spend billions both on a war and on a years-long effort to stabilize Iraq after an invasion. The resolution we will be debating today would explicitly authorize a go-it-alone approach.

I believe an international approach is essential. In my view, our policy should have four key elements. First and foremost, the United States must work with our allies to deal with Iraq. We should not go it alone or virtually alone with a pre-emptive ground invasion. Most critically, acting alone could jeopardize our top national security priority, the continuing war on terror. The intense cooperation of other nations in matters related to intelligence-sharing, security, political and economic cooperation, law enforcement and financial surveillance, and other areas has been crucial to this fight, and enables us to wage it effectively with our allies. Over the past year, this cooperation has been our most successful weapon against terror networks. That -- not attacking Iraq should be the main focus of our efforts in the war on terror.

We have succeeded in destroying some Al Qaida forces, but many of its operatives have scattered, their will to kill Americans still strong. The United States has relied heavily on alliances with nearly 100 countries in a coalition against terror for critical intelligence to protect Americans from possible future attacks. Acting with the support of allies, including hopefully Arab and Muslim allies, would limit possible damage to that coalition and our anti-terrorism efforts. But as General Wes Clark, former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe has recently noted, a premature go-it-alone invasion of Iraq "would super-charge recruiting for Al Qaida."

Second, our efforts should have the goal of disarming Saddam Hussein of all of his weapons of mass destruction. Iraq agreed to destroy its weapons of mass destruction at the end of the Persian Gulf War and to verification by the U.N. and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that this had been done. According to the U.N. and IAEA, and undisputed by the administration, inspections during the 1990's neutralized a substantial portion of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and getting inspectors back in to finish the job is critical. The prompt resumption of inspections and disarmament, under an expedited timetable and with unfettered access in Iraq, is imperative.

Third, weapons inspections should be enforceable. If efforts by U.N. weapons inspectors are tried and fail, a range of potential U.N.-sanctioned means, including proportionate military force, should be considered. I have no doubt that Congress would act swiftly to authorize force in such circumstances. This does not mean giving the U.N. a veto over U.S. actions. No one wants to do that. It simply means, as Chairman Levin has observed, that Saddam is a world problem and should be addressed in the world arena.

Finally, our approach toward Iraq must be consistent with international law and the framework of collective security developed over the last 50 years or more. It should be sanctioned by the Security Council under the U.N. Charter, to which we are a party and by which we are legally bound. Only a broad coalition of nations, united to disarm Saddam, while preserving our war on terror, can succeed. Our response will be far more effective if Saddam sees the whole world arrayed against him.

We should act forcefully, resolutely, sensibly with our allies, and not alone, to disarm Saddam. Authorizing the pre-emptive, go-it-alone use of force now, right in the midst of continuing efforts to enlist the world community to back a tough new disarmament resolution on Iraq, could be a costly mistake for our country.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:35 PM
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1. Wow.
Until today when somebody posted the votes in the IWR, I was under the impression that the vast majority of Congresspeople and Senators voted for it. I learned that in the Senate, the votes among Dems was almost evenly divided.

I don't understand how, with that many people opposing it, so many others didn't see the same potential outcome.

I've been of the belief that the IWR wasn't a "go ahead" to war, but an authorization to proceed with war IF diplomatic measures weren't successful.
Remembering that this was a time where we were still in shock from 9/11, and that terrorism at home had become a reality for us, I could kind of understand that support.

I also know that several of those who voted for it had no idea of Bush's ULTIMATE plan -- to get us in there regardless of whether it was warranted or not. But several did not feel comfortable giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm at a loss to explain why the majority of Dems, anyway, weren't in agreement with Wellstone and the others. Same with the Congress.

Thank you for posting this. I'm so sorry we no longer have Senator Wellstone's voice on our country's behalf.


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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:33 PM
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6. Self deleted dupelication
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:34 PM by truedelphi
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:33 PM
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7. Sigh. Same here. I will always miss him. n/t
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:39 PM
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2. I miss him.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:24 PM
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3. Sounds like someone else's speech I read here recently.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:35 PM
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4. Paul Wellstone would have NOT VOTED TO FUND THE WAR AFTER HIS SPEECH!!
So Obama's speech from 2002..is Toilet Paper now...nice try! EVERY single vote to fund the war since lying his way into US Senate was a BIG FAT YES! He supports WAR!
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:36 PM
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8. That's right
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:41 PM
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5. oh..
and maybe you have a list of candidates Barack was running against in Chicago at the time...that made sooooo dangerous for him to speak out! Where was HIS Senate floor speech to bring our troops home...where was his legislation to back up this so called stand against the war??? He is a ZERO !MIA...Just like the rest of his record on voting.....speaking of record...where are his records.??

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) dodged questions Sunday about releasing papers from his eight years as an Illinois state senator, and his campaign has not answered

records requests from the state’s two largest newspapers.

Obama’s campaign has prodded Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) to make available additional records of her communications during her husband’s presidency.

In the Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia on Oct. 30, Obama said to Clinton: "We have just gone through one of the most secretive administrations in our

history, and not releasing, I think, these records at the same time, Hillary, as you're making the claim that this is the basis for your experience, I think, is a problem."

On Nov. 3, the Obama campaign sent out a letter from two leaders of his Iowa campaign, pressing Clinton to release her White House schedules before the Iowa

caucuses.

“Fully releasing these records is in keeping with the spirit of the process that makes the Iowa caucus so special,” the letter says.

But two Chicago newspapers have said the Obama campaign has not responded to their requests for comparable papers from his career.

On NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, moderator Tim Russert asked Obama about the papers from his state legislative days, from 1997 to 2004.
Obama first said, “We did not keep those records.” He then elaborated: “Well, let’s be clear.
“In the state Senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is
available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois.

“The stuff that I did not keep has to do with, for example, my schedule. I didn’t have a schedule. I was a state senator. I wasn’t intending to have the Barack Obama

State Senate Library. I didn’t have 50 or 500 people to, to help me archive these issues.”

On Friday, Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times reported that she had asked Obama at a news conference: “Do your state senate papers still exist? If they do, just

where are they? And would you ever intend to make them public to be responsive to some requests?”

Sweet wrote that he replied: "Nobody has requested specific documents.”

But the Chicago Tribune has reported that it “requested documents from his time in Springfield and never received a response.”

And Sweet wrote of her own paper, “The Chicago Sun-Times has also been asking about Obama's papers.”

Russert pressed Obama, who has touted his service in Springfield as proof of his experience, about his records of meetings with lobbyists.

“I did not have a scheduler, but, as I said, every document related to my interactions with government is available right now,” Obama said. “And, as I said, news outlets

have already looked at them.”

Asked by Russert if he would commit to publishing his schedule each day, as his colleague Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), does, Obama said: “Well, you know, these

days I have a public presidential schedule that I think everybody has access to.”

The Republican National Committee has kept up a near-daily drumbeat demanding release of the Clinton papers.

RNC spokesman Danny Diaz said of Obama’s reticence on records: “Barack Obama is a rookie senator with few accomplishments. Perhaps he’s reluctant to inform

the public about his activities in Springfield because they demonstrate a lack of leadership at a state level as well.”

WHERE is Obamas Records during his time in Senate?
While in State government here in Illinois, Barack was known as a "nice guy," but has little to show for his years in state government. He was never particularly known

by the public at large as a vocal leader and was rarely out in front of any issue. In fact, few Illinoisans even knew his name at all until he ran for the Senate seat against

Alan Keyes. He was an unknown, a non-entity as far as state politics was concerned.

Yet, the Obama camp has made no effort to assist investigators((((REZKO/DAVIS))) to look into his state records. In fact, Senator Obama has blithely claimed that his records have been

thrown out.(((REZKO/DAVIS))) Chicago columnist Lynn Sweet reports that Obama, who has called for "transparency in government" from his rivals, is not much interested in revealing his
own documents.
"I was in the state Senate for eight years," Obama said. "I had one staff person, that was what was allocated. I don't have archivists in the state Senate. I don't have

the Barack Obama State Senate Library available to me, so we had a bunch of file cabinets. I do not have a whole bunch of records from those years. Now, if there are
particular documents that you are interested in, then you should let us know...As I said, I didn't have the resources to ensure that all this stuff was archived in some

way...it could have been thrown out."
Hillary and Edwards have BOTH turned theirs over...even Hillary's records as First Lady have been scrutinized, WHERE are the records for Senator Obama? Lost?
That is the MOST intelligent thing HE can say?
ALL the RECORDS are MISSING the ENTIRE time he was Senator! NOT just RECENT ones, this came up because Barrack asked for everyone elses records which have been produced look at MSNBC.com for the full reports!((((WHERE IS THE MSM ONSLAUGHT OF QUESTIONING ABOUT OBAMA"S MIA RECORDS???)))

They appear to have conviniently vanished into thin air & sadly, when you ask intelligent questions like this which NEED to be asked & answered...... I and Others are unjustly
accused, of being an Obama basher BECAUSE you told the TruthOR ASK FOR TRUTH>> and are greeted with a response like " who cares ? " which makes me wonder how many of
the above pro-Obama answerers turn off their computer after answering our questions in order to watch the ...American Idol...Sesmae Street?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:38 PM
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9. everyone is entitled to their own judgment on that resolution
if we would only take the others' words as sincere, as well.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:47 PM
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10. And that's why Paul Wellstone was so great.
He was a person of uncommon courage and dedication.
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