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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:30 PM
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Bolanos Brothers endorse Clinton. Obama gets Lawrence Tribe
Another endorsement from regular great Americans.


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5675

"Senator Clinton has been a champion for our troops. She believes that once our soldiers have fulfilled their obligation to our country, our country must fulfill its obligation to them and their families," said Louis Bolaños. "As president I know she’ll fight on our behalf to ensure that all the uninsured veterans in this country have access to quality, affordable health care," he added.

Born in Texas to immigrant parents, the brothers were taught from the beginning the importance of service to their country. Each brother joined a different branch of the Armed Forces: Louis, the Navy; Ben, the Marine Corps; Bill, the Army Green Berets; and Rick, the Army. The Bolaños brothers were cited for their patriotism by President Lyndon Johnson, and in 2004, the Texas Legislature passed a resolution honoring their military service and their valiant heroism.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:35 PM
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1. Lawrence Tribe carries exponentially more weight in my book
and ought to in most progressive's books as well.

(posted due to a perception of implied disparagement of one of the US's foremost Constituional scholars).

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:59 PM
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2. But not in the Hispanic community
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:28 AM
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9. Tribe lost the case for Bush v Gore..
He behaved like an imbecile restating the judgment of the court with delight..

"The Constitution says everyone be allowed to Vote in a presidential election.. It does not say, every Vote should be counted in a presidential election."

Larry Tribe gave us George Bush...grrh!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:32 AM
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10. Bullshit. Did you ever read the Supremes' opinion?
Or Tribe's actual brief for that matter? The Supremes totally ignored all of Gore's arguments and based their decision on a fake equal protection argument that they'd never used before specifically to ensure Bush won. Tribe didn't give us Bush. Five members of the Supreme Court twisted the law to produce the result they wanted, and it wouldn't have mattered if Jesus Christ had argued Gore's case. The fix was in when they granted certiorari.

Of course, anybody who doesn't endorse Hillary necessarily sucks, don't they?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:35 AM
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12. Yes, I did..
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:36 AM by Tellurian
and as Larry stood in front of the Court, he uttered these words.

"The Constitution says everyone is allowed to Vote in a presidential election..
It does not say, every Vote should be counted in a presidential election."





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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:19 AM
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15. And that rhetorical statement is technically correct.
Read the brief, which is where the meat of the argument is. Oral arguments are more window dressing than anything else:

"The central question posed by this case is whether any
provision of federal law legitimately forecloses the Florida
Supreme Court from interpreting, applying, and enforcing the
statutes enacted by the Florida Legislature to determine all
election contests and ascertain the actual outcome of the popular
vote in any such election.
"

Tribe's statement was correct. The question before the Supreme Court was not whether the Constitution requires every vote to be counted -- it doesn't. The question was whether any existing federal law can override a state law requiring all votes to be counted. Tribe and Boies, arguing for Gore, argued (correctly) that because the states determine the rules for their own elections, the Florida supreme court was correct in the first place and there is nothing in the Constitution that allows the federal courts to throw out a state election law where there's no denial of due process.

"At bottom, all petitioners can really claim is that, in their view,
the Florida Supreme Court got Florida law wrong. But a “‘mere
error of state law’ is not a denial of due process.” Engle v. Isaac,
456 U.S. 107, 121 n.21 (1982); Gryger v. Burke, 334 U.S. 728,
731 (1948) (“otherwise, every erroneous decision by a state court
on state law would come here as a federal constitutional
question”); Brinkerhoff-Faris Co. v. Hill, 281 U.S. 673, 680
(1930) (Brandeis, J.) (“he mere fact that a state court has
rendered an erroneous decision on a question of state law, or has
overruled principles or doctrines established by previous decisions
on which a party relied, does not give rise to a claim under the
Fourteenth Amendment or otherwise confer appellate jurisdiction
on this Court”). To hold that the decision below violates due
process would do violence both to principles of federalism and to
the independence of the judiciary throughout the United States. It
would invite an onslaught of such claims by the losing parties in
state courts alleging that the decisions in their cases constituted an
unconstitutional departure from “preexisting law.” And it would
undermine the authority of the judiciary to decide the meaning of
law, by holding that apparently routine judicial acts of statutory
construction long thought to involve only questions of state law in
fact amount to illegitimate and unconstitutional usurpations of the
legislative role."

In other words, the point Tribe was trying to make with that rhetorical flourish during oral argument was not that the Constitution requires each vote to be counted, because it doesn't, but that Florida law does, and there's nothing in the Constitution allowing a stat's election law to be overriden in the absence of a lack of due process. Tribe was 100% correct. But the Supremes wanted Bush to win, so they just ignored the Constitutional principles of states' rights and due process. Most people totally misunderstood what this case was about.

Here's a link to the brief. You can read it for yourself.

http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/docket/2000/decdocket.html#00-949
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:09 AM
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13. Not after his shoddy job in Bush vs Gore. I was embarrased .
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:11 AM
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3. These guys all endorsed Kerry in '04
They worked their tails off for him. Four of the nicest guys I ever had the pleasure of meeting. I'm glad to see they stepped up for HRC.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:10 AM
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4. That's cool you met them. nt
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:11 AM
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5. It's a great endorsement.
Thanks!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:16 AM
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6. Laurence Tribe is one of the finest liberal legal scholars out there.
I read his con law treatise in law school -- Tribe is first-rate. I'm sure the Bolaños brothers are fine people, but Tribe is very well-known and well-respected among liberal lawyers and politicians (and even conservative ones). As far as I'm concerned that endorsement is bigger than Ted Kennedy's.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:18 AM
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7. Tribe is great, but he's someone that academics will respond to
Having a Harvard Law professor endorse someone isn't going to endear Obama to blue-collar voters. Hence the impression that Obama appeals more to the "wine Democrats."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:32 AM
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11. I prefer Bruce Ackerman, myself..He kicked Tribe's ass..
in Bush v Gore..
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:10 AM
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14. he nearly sunk Gore with his incompetence, lack of passion in 2000
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:21 AM
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16. If Tribe had endorsed Clinton he'd be cited here as the most brilliant lawyer
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 11:21 AM by ocelot
since Clarence Darrow.

Read the brief. It was brilliant. By the way, I'm not an Obamabot. I'm a Tribe fan.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:21 AM
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8. Great endorsement.
And let me say this for them and get it our of the way....not as good as Obama's because you know everything Obama gets is better. :eyes:

Ooops, somebody beat me to it...like flies to...............
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