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Fri Feb-01-08 08:30 PM
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I'm just sick of MEN RUNNING THIS COUNTRY! Can't vote for Obama! |
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There really isn't much difference in issues between Obama and Hillary, so there Time for a change!
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:31 PM
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1. ok, ok WHAT IF oBAMA WORE A DRESS WOULD IT HELP ? |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:43 PM
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26. Plastic Surgery? They can bring the inner woman out ya know? |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:48 PM
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31. give me a break ...I am a woman and some of the worse co-workers I have are women |
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petty bickering manipulating whining backstabbing grudeholding ...I've met a few good women leaders but very few ...too petty.
So a woman president, specifically, is not the big deal.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:00 PM
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45. Yousee now that's the problem. Women stabbing women |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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15. Would they have voted for Rudy? |
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Fri Feb-01-08 10:34 PM
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144. Ann Coulter is a woman - would she do instead? |
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Fri Feb-01-08 10:10 PM
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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3. If there were a qualified woman running, I'd weigh that too. |
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I won't vote purely on gender, but I'd be happy to vote for a qualified woman.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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4. How about the general election? Would you like a Republican man running the country? n/m |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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I'm sick of that too, But I just can't vote for Obama |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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5. I'm sick of white people running this country! Can't vote for Hillary! |
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Not really but it points out how idiotic your post is.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:01 PM
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47. I understand but that's how I feel! |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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6. The actual people running matters. The specifics about |
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Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are important and critical - more important than their gender.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM
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36. I know this is all very emotive but in the end she would rally repubs to vote against her it's a .. |
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... gamble. It's not unlikely that a woman will be president with more women in congress these days. The thing is will America be able to find a candidate like barack that has young people so inspired and engaged in their future again. It is ultimately their inheritance of bush policies that will be left behind to pay for.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:26 PM
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85. He's young there will be another time for him or Michelle |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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7. What if Paris Hilton or Britney Spears were running for president? |
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Should we vote for someone like that just because of their gender? That can't be the only reason to vote for someone. I mean, certainly Hillary is qualified enough, but I'd also have to agree with her policies and positions in order to vote for her. But since I tend to agree more with Obama, I'll likely go with him, even though he's male.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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14. I understand in all seriusness there is mysongny in America but if it's a first there arre less .... |
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... polarising women in congress.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:01 PM
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48. Your choice, but that's how I feel. I also think she's got more experience |
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But if the only criterion is gender, let's go a step further: Would you vote for an experienced Republican woman over a Democratic man? Condi Rice over Obama? How about if it were Elizabeth Dole vs. Dennis Kucinich? There are, after all, good men and bad women.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:16 PM
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63. Repugs would never put forth a woman, and I do like Kucinich but he's not running |
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anymore, and since there's little difference on issues between Obama and Clinton I'm going for the woman, a Democratic woman!
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:21 PM
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74. But that's a different analysis. |
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It's one thing to say you'll vote for Hillary *only* because there should be a woman president, and another to choose her because you think are few differences (other than the naughty bits) between her and Obama and you want a woman president -- in other words, all things otherwise being equal you'll pick the woman. But is having a woman president so important that you would ignore other qualifications, if all other things were not equal? The Republicans might very well put up a woman; they were talking about Condi for awhile. She's a neocon but she's technically qualified. I'll ask again: Is it so important to have a woman president that you'd vote for Condi over Obama (who is running)?
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 PM
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88. No I don't agree wih Condi's policy, she's a bad example really. No it's |
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a matter of which nominee and since there's little difference in issues between the two, the deciding factor for me is to go with the woman. That's how I feel.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 PM
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94. That's what I was trying to figure out. |
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So of two essentially equal candidates you'll take the woman, and I don't argue with that; you would, then, pick a good man over a bad woman. Your OP, however, made it sound like the PRIMARY determining factor was what the candidates had in their pants, which I totally disagree with. Glad to have that clarified.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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Then what are you doing here? I'm tired of posts like these, its getting old fast.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:34 PM
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9. Why there are plenty that vote race! In my view gender is more important |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 PM
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44. I'm a white woman voting for the black man. Race and Gender are not everything. |
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Thank goodness.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:04 PM
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53. I think this will be one of the few times, I will have a chance to vote on a woman who |
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could make it. I also think she got the experience.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:13 PM
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61. I think he would be the better President. I assume we all have our reasons for our |
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preferences.
This thread reminds me of what I heard someone say - a woman who thought she would be for Hillary but found herself going more for Barack:
It depends on what is more important to you - do you want to vote to break the glass ceiling or do you want to vote for the best leader.
I'm sure some people think both would fit for Hillary but a lot of people see a conflict between the two and choose to go for the Leader they see in Obama. Of course, he will break through a huge ceiling as well.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM
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70. There's little difference between the two on issues, Yes Obama would break a ceiling, but |
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he' still a man, and just does not have me convinced he's up to the task. We may not have another chance to come this close to a woman presidency.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:34 PM
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10. A truly honest supporter of Hillary Clinton! I respect you greatly. |
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I can understand that. Good for you.
I am for Obama, but I can certainly appreciate you well-stated motivation.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:35 PM
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11. You know what the real problem with the nation is... |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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I'm sick of people running the country...I'm voting for an Armadillo |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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12. I'm sick of homo sapiens running this country, can't vote for |
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anybody.... and I certainly don't want another chimp in office so I guess dolphins and apes are in the pool.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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I vote with my genitalia too |
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...unfortunately, like my genitalia, most of the people I voted for ending up being dicks.
;-)
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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13. Exactly how I feel--thanks for saying it! |
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Now I will wait for the barrage of email posts, mostly Obama supporters who will challenge our "judgment" and "intelligence" for using this as a reason on which to base our vote. I tell you I have voted for so many men (because there were no other choices) for so many years it makes me sick. Women are the MAJORITY in this country and yet this is the first time we can vote for a woman. Reason enough for me.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:03 PM
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:37 PM
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16. I'm just sick of BUSHES AND CLINTONS RUNNING THIS COUNTY! Can't vote for Clinton! |
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Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:38 PM by Mass
If you insist on this rational.
In fact, after yesterday's debate, I will be fine with any of them, even if I prefer Obama.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:37 PM
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17. You could always vote for Rudi... |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:39 PM
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19. Which county is that? |
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20. Oops thanks, of course I mean country! |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:41 PM
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21. Wha? Obama is a MAN?!?!?!?!?!? |
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Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:13 PM by uppityperson
edited because I can't even type a joke without a typo, sigh
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:41 PM
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22. I'M SICK OF RICH PEOPLE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY! |
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Ya know, I was an Edwards supporter. And when Edwards dropped out and I heard RW pundits say that I supporter him because I didn' want a "woman" or an "African-American" .... I wanted to bash their heads in. We are the Civil Rights party, we are not Republicans. We base our decisions on the candidate's positions and policies, not their gender or race.
Now that Edwards is out, I support Obama. But not because he's a man. Honestly, I wish we had a Black Woman who had postions somewhere between Kucinich and Edwards. But we don't. We have Obama and Hillary. I think Hillary would make a fine President, but at this point I prefer Obama.
Don't you DARE base your vote on the sex or gender of the candidate! Otherwise, you are just as bad as the Ruling White Men you so despise.
If you like Hillary's positions, vote for Hillary. I will never fault you for that.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:45 PM
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29. No not sexist, It's just ime for a woman. Do you know how many countries already have women |
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Presidents etc? and some for decades!
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:48 PM
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32. Not very many women have run for president in the US. |
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I wish more women would run because I would prefer many other women over Hillary. I would love for there to be a Woman who I would work hard for.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:49 PM
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33. "My name is Geraldine Ferraro", She was the only one I think! |
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Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM by demo dutch
This may be the only one we'll get for a long time and I'm going for it
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM
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38. Carol Mosley Braun ran last time. |
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Not sure if I spelled her name right.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:53 PM
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40. I know but I never got to vote for her |
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM
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91. So would you vote for Condi Rice? |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:44 PM
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27. Thom Hartman said Hillary's management style was more like how Men tend to lead |
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and Obama's is more like how women tend to lead. Maybe it's now about what kind of genitals a candidate has but who they are inside?
I prefer candidates who are more diplomatic which is more commonly associated with how women lead. Men tend to be more authoritarian, which from what Thom said, is more like Hillary's style.
Just something to think about.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:44 PM
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28. Very sad state of affairs |
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you know it is sexist, and makes you a hypocrite, yes?
Amazing how little grasp on reality and values some people have. Sexist and hypocritical out of ignorance.
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:46 PM
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30. No I'm not sexist. It's just time for a woman,tons of countries are there and have been for decades! |
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It's time for a change!
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34. So if Ann Coulter were running would you prefer her to Obama? |
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37. Don't be silly! Repugs would never put forth a woman! |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM
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41. Why bother trying to reason with her? |
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Voting for someone based on gender or race is ridiculous. If voting for Hillary will make her feel more liberated, good for her.
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84. Nonsense. If one feels two candidates are very similar, it's the small differences that |
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86. I agree with that. nt |
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM
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90. Yes and fior me it's the fact that it's a woman plus I think she has more experience |
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:53 PM
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39. I'm more sickened at how the media has portrayed our female candidate. |
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We've come a long way baby, was a bunch of BULLSHIT!
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Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM
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42. Heh, I'm a woman first and foremost!! |
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:00 PM
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46. That's a sexist attitude. |
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The best person for the job should get it regardless of gender.
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:12 PM
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59. This may be one of the few times where a woman might have a chance |
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I also think she has enough experience to doit, because there's little difference between them on issues
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106. So it's OK for you to oppose Obama because he's a man? |
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What would you say if I started a thread saying that I can't vote for Clinton because she's a woman? What is the difference between those two positions?
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Fri Feb-01-08 10:44 PM
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153. So true, and people seem to ignore that.... |
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I posted the facts on their votes last night, and no one cared...
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 PM
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49. I'm sick of stupid females basing their votes on BIGOTRY. |
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Voting based upon race or gender (regardless of which way you prefer) is BIGOTRY.
Get a clue.
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50. Well isn't this just the most sexist thread seen in awhile. |
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:09 PM
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actually make it and I think she has the experience to do it. There really isn't much difference in issues between Obama and Hillary
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Fri Feb-01-08 09:03 PM
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52. Yeah. So far, men have done a real bang-up job, haven't they? |
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REALLY. It's time to see what a woman can do! Women are nurturing, can multi-task like no one's business, they're good organizers, compassionate, they're use to being diplomatic when necessary, they're strong, they're smart and it really is just time for a woman as President. She certainly couldn't do any worse than the PSYCHO has done!
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And homosexuals are like this, and black people are like that, and jews are this etc.
True there are some ways in which women trend towards some tendencies and men others, but most of those tendencies are largely culturally enforced.
While I will happily vote for whoever is the candidate, and if it's HRC I will console myself with the fact that she's NOT a puke, and that she IS a woman, that's about as far as I care.
To promote a candidate based on gender/race/religion/sexual orientation is the SAME DAMN THING as rejecting a candidate based on those qualities. THE SAME!
So you're rejecting the other candidate/candidates based on their gender/race/religion/sexual orientation? Nice.
Not trying to flame you but think about it for a bit. When you choose you also reject.
If that's ok then hope to whatever you find sacred that more people don't do the same. And if they do don't cry foul.
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99. It's time for a woman to lead this country. Men have |
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screwed it up beyond recognition. It's time.
I'm not voting for her just because she's a woman. She is my LAST choice for President! Dodd, Kucinich, Edwards and now Hillary because Obama is nothing but rhetoric. He wants to bring repukes into our party and play nice with the criminals who destroyed my country. Those people voted for the psycho-in-chief TWICE and the second time was AFTER we knew the psycho had LIED about why he illegally invaded Iraq! I am in NO MOOD to "play nice" with those people. The criminals must be investigated and Barack told me he will NOT investigate this regime. He wants to "move the country forward and stop the partisan bickering." REALLY? Well, then he doesn't get MY vote. Period. End of subject. He's my Senator and I helped put him where he is. Should he lose this election and run for the Senate, I won't make the same mistake again. I promise you.
Hillary is my last resort candidate. I'm not voting for her JUST BECAUSE she's a woman. I just happen to think it's about damn time to let a woman try it for a change. Men haven't doesn't such a wonderful job...besides Bill Clinton (in my lifetime).
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130. I started with Kucinich, liked Edwards for a while and now the final decision |
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I feel like you that it's time for a woman
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time to tell the men to skooch over and let the women drive for a while!!!!
They've all been like 6 yr. old boys, playing with their little greem army men in the dirt....
Hey boys, your mom's calling you in for supper!!
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votes and positions it really comes down to personal preference. Some people like Obama because they think he's motivational, some people find him annoying. Some people like Clinton because they think she's strong and tough and other people think she's just shrill and harsh.
African Americans have been seriously under-represented in our government and if a voter's motivation or partial motivation for voting for Obama is the fact he is black, I can understand that.
Women have been seriously under-represented in our government as well and if a woman is motivated to vote for Hillary because she's a woman I can understand that, too.
Most of us on this board have read the issues, watched the debates and know most of the candidates positions. If, the tipping point for a voter is race or gender I don't think that makes the voter shallow or wrong.
My first choice was John Edwards because of his anti-corporate message, but I always knew he was a long shot. I had a second choice in mind after the 2nd debate. Did the fact Hillary is a woman influence me? Probably.
I voted for a black male for Governor of my state. Doug Wilder is a very fine man and he was a great governor and is said to be an excellent mayor for the City of Richmond. It was exciting to be part of putting him into office....think of it, a black governor presiding in the confederate capital. I don't have to prove anything with my vote, I don't have to apologize for the fact that I'm excited about having a woman president.
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64. Twenty years of Clintush is enough. |
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77. Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. |
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65. Cool, vote for Hillary, a sure loser. |
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66. Tell me about it after she experiences her first lost election. n/t |
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71. Hi sniffa how are you! |
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69. There are a lot of men who share the same exact sentiment as you do. |
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up until about a year ago. He is voting for Hillary because he thinks women are inherently better at multi-tasking, administration, etc. I almost feel out of my chair when my sister told me that as I didn't know he had become disenchanted with bush.
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I was SO shocked when my sister said her husband was going to vote for Hillary Clinton. She is, too. I only wish my other family members would see the light. My mom might vote for Hillary, she plays it close to the vest so I don't know. My dad would vote for Obama but all the rest are republicans.
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he's of the opinion they are all crooks and he refuses to vote. He voted for Kerry because I begged and pleaded and he hates george bush so he capitulated.
He's a great husband and I love him dearly but he can be stubborn as hell about some things.
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exercise your opinion is by voting out the crooks. I mean it's for the people by the people, you can't rely on others to do the job for you. At least in 2006 we all made a difference and I intend to make a difference as long as I live.
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76. I concur that if both candidates are equivalent, the "fine tuning" comes into play. NT |
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81. Yeah, that's what it boiled down to. We may not come this close to a presidency again. |
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96. comparing the presidential candicy to AA is ridiculous, and shows you don't understand AA |
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keep researching. Don't call and end to it because of Gender or Race.(also, by equally competent, I mean they may overall be equal, but one may be more competent than others on certain issues).
Also, AA isn't designed to work in individual decisions, rather, for groups of people, insitutions. On an individual level it is segregation.
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120. Okay - Hillary is somewhat more qualified. nt |
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and Oprah implies some of the same, so why shouldn't I prefer a woman
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103. Why? There's little difference in issues between the two, and I choose the woman?, I'm a |
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biggot? because I think she has more experience that's silly
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122. More experience and a shitload of baggage too |
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Clinton will rally the repugs and even the moderates, whereas Obama has a much better chance to draw moderates and independents.
May the best nominee win, regardless of gender or race!
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128. We each have our opinion |
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219 years, and a woman has never been president.....yeah, I'm sure it was an oversight....
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89. There's a huge difference -- on issues AND tactics. |
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Gender is a false issue in this campaign. Race however is not.
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As the party of equality the only topics that touch on race and gender should be in discussing how much other more bigoted people let it influence their decisions. Might as well make it about religion or sexual preference.
How do you expect others to believe that we are all one if you don't believe it yourself?
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More and more they're getting to remind me of each other. So yes, gender is a false issue in this campaign.
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117. Thank you incognito! |
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We women have to stick together.:7
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155. I'd never vote for her... |
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like I said I want to see what a woman can do. There are tons of countries that have had women for decades, it's time!
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97. That's a good response to the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton argument. |
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I think this will be one of the few times, I will have a chance to vote on a woman who could make it. I also think she's got the experience and so that's my opinion. There are tons of countries that have had women for decades, It's time!
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111. I got two words: Margaret Thatcher. |
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The iron lady was probably one of the coldest and most aggressive PM's in England's history. At least Dennis didn't feel the need to constantly speak up in her defence. Seems ol' Mags took care of number one just fine.
on edit: that said, I'm undecided as of yet, but, as a working stiff who has spent their life making others rich, Hillary's policies don't thrill me
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113. There are plenty of great examples oher than Thatcher, and besides compared |
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And I like her policies. However, I remember holding my niece, a few hours old, on Jan. 5, 2005. And, omg, watching her grow into the vibrant little lady she is now. Now figure it, our next president will serve until she's seven (definitely aware of the importance of the POTUS), and if it goes for two terms, that person will serve until she's eleven. I was 7-8 y.o. when RFK and MLK were assassinated, and I remember the one-two punch from those times. I want my great-niece (and no, I'm not a great-aunt with swollen ankles and rolled-down knee-highs, I'm only 47), to be proud of her gender and what good, qualified women can achieve.
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Hillary is a member of the DLC. Obama is not. The change that you seek is not in gender, but in whether the candidate has a real corporate agenda. I don't want another PNAC president (founder of the DLC is a PNAC signatory), which is what we will get with Hillary. She showed us as much by voting for Kyl-Lieberman, in my opinion.
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133. He'll become a member soon enough. He was endorsed by the establishment Kennedy and Kerry so.... |
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And Obama has turned his back on the DLC already.
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142. He's a junior senator, not much to go on, and we won't know what the future will bring |
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145. But that does not refute that Hillary IS a DLCer |
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Will bring.
I am encouraged by a Tee shirt I saw today <This is totally off subject>
Always remember that age and treachery will trump youth and skills!
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136. I'm tired of WHITES RUNNING THIS COUNTRY! Can't vote for Hillary! |
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There isn't much difference in issues between Obama and Hillary, so Time for a change.
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139. Great, may the best candidate win! |
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That, would be the ultimate change, wouldn't it?
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141. Up with sexism!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I had not realized that Obama is a man.
I had heard that this Presidential candidate was black.
Uh Oh,. My next door neighbor is mentioning that my husband is a man as well.
At least I always thought the box he checked on official forms meant he wanted "mail" But now I guess he was indicating...
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I think Obama might even have a penis! SHHH! :hide: You might want to check your hubby as well!
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149. Does that include Bill Clinton? |
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Idiot Republicans who struggle to pay their bills, vote for that moron because he is against abortion.
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157. I'm sick of rich people running this country. Can't vote Republican. |
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Nice post, BTW.
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159. And your solution is to vote for an American version of Maggie Thatcher? |
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160. So it gets down to the presence of vas deferans vs. the vaginal canal? |
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