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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:30 PM
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I'm just sick of MEN RUNNING THIS COUNTRY! Can't vote for Obama!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:10 PM by demo dutch
There really isn't much difference in issues between Obama and Hillary, so there Time for a change!
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:31 PM
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1. ok, ok WHAT IF oBAMA WORE A DRESS WOULD IT HELP ?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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2. No sorry!
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:43 PM
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26. Plastic Surgery? They can bring the inner woman out ya know?
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:44 PM by Flabbergasted
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:48 PM
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31. give me a break ...I am a woman and some of the worse co-workers I have are women
petty bickering manipulating whining backstabbing grudeholding ...I've met a few good women leaders but very few ...too petty.

So a woman president, specifically, is not the big deal.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:00 PM
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45. Yousee now that's the problem. Women stabbing women
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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15. Would they have voted for Rudy?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:34 PM
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144. Ann Coulter is a woman - would she do instead?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:10 PM
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126. Yes but not with my vote.
i just think he would look adorable in drag
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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3. If there were a qualified woman running, I'd weigh that too.
I won't vote purely on gender, but I'd be happy to vote for a qualified woman.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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4. How about the general election? Would you like a Republican man running the country? n/m
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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I'm sick of that too, But I just can't vote for Obama
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:32 PM
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5. I'm sick of white people running this country! Can't vote for Hillary!
Not really but it points out how idiotic your post is.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:01 PM
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47. I understand but that's how I feel!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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6. The actual people running matters. The specifics about
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are important and critical - more important than their gender.

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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM
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36. I know this is all very emotive but in the end she would rally repubs to vote against her it's a ..
... gamble. It's not unlikely that a woman will be president with more women in congress these days. The thing is will America be able to find a candidate like barack that has young people so inspired and engaged in their future again. It is ultimately their inheritance of bush policies that will be left behind to pay for.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:26 PM
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85. He's young there will be another time for him or Michelle
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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7. What if Paris Hilton or Britney Spears were running for president?
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM by ocelot
Should we vote for someone like that just because of their gender? That can't be the only reason to vote for someone. I mean, certainly Hillary is qualified enough, but I'd also have to agree with her policies and positions in order to vote for her. But since I tend to agree more with Obama, I'll likely go with him, even though he's male.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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14. I understand in all seriusness there is mysongny in America but if it's a first there arre less ....
... polarising women in congress.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:43 PM
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25. Exactly!!!!
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:42 PM
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24. that's hot
:D
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:01 PM
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48. Your choice, but that's how I feel. I also think she's got more experience
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 PM by demo dutch
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:06 PM
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55. Fair enough.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:14 PM by ocelot
But if the only criterion is gender, let's go a step further: Would you vote for an experienced Republican woman over a Democratic man? Condi Rice over Obama? How about if it were Elizabeth Dole vs. Dennis Kucinich? There are, after all, good men and bad women.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:16 PM
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63. Repugs would never put forth a woman, and I do like Kucinich but he's not running
anymore, and since there's little difference on issues between Obama and Clinton I'm going for the woman, a Democratic woman!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:21 PM
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74. But that's a different analysis.
It's one thing to say you'll vote for Hillary *only* because there should be a woman president, and another to choose her because you think are few differences (other than the naughty bits) between her and Obama and you want a woman president -- in other words, all things otherwise being equal you'll pick the woman. But is having a woman president so important that you would ignore other qualifications, if all other things were not equal? The Republicans might very well put up a woman; they were talking about Condi for awhile. She's a neocon but she's technically qualified. I'll ask again: Is it so important to have a woman president that you'd vote for Condi over Obama (who is running)?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 PM
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88. No I don't agree wih Condi's policy, she's a bad example really. No it's
a matter of which nominee and since there's little difference in issues between the two, the deciding factor for me is to go with the woman. That's how I feel.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 PM
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94. That's what I was trying to figure out.
So of two essentially equal candidates you'll take the woman, and I don't argue with that; you would, then, pick a good man over a bad woman. Your OP, however, made it sound like the PRIMARY determining factor was what the candidates had in their pants, which I totally disagree with. Glad to have that clarified.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:33 PM
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8. Ugh
Then what are you doing here? I'm tired of posts like these, its getting old fast.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:34 PM
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9. Why there are plenty that vote race! In my view gender is more important
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:35 PM by demo dutch
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 PM
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44. I'm a white woman voting for the black man. Race and Gender are not everything.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:57 PM by Pirate Smile
Thank goodness.

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:04 PM
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53. I think this will be one of the few times, I will have a chance to vote on a woman who
could make it. I also think she got the experience.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:13 PM
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61. I think he would be the better President. I assume we all have our reasons for our
preferences.


This thread reminds me of what I heard someone say - a woman who thought she would be for Hillary but found herself going more for Barack:

It depends on what is more important to you - do you want to vote to break the glass ceiling or do you want to vote for the best leader.

I'm sure some people think both would fit for Hillary but a lot of people see a conflict between the two and choose to go for the Leader they see in Obama. Of course, he will break through a huge ceiling as well.

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM
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70. There's little difference between the two on issues, Yes Obama would break a ceiling, but
he' still a man, and just does not have me convinced he's up to the task. We may not have another chance to come this close to a woman presidency.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:34 PM
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10. A truly honest supporter of Hillary Clinton! I respect you greatly.
I can understand that. Good for you.

I am for Obama, but I can certainly appreciate you well-stated motivation.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:35 PM
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11. You know what the real problem with the nation is...
BEARS!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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I'm sick of people running the country...I'm voting for an Armadillo
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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12. I'm sick of homo sapiens running this country, can't vote for
anybody.... and I certainly don't want another chimp in office so I guess dolphins and apes are in the pool.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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I vote with my genitalia too
:yoiks:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM
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35. Me too......
...unfortunately, like my genitalia, most of the people I voted for ending up being dicks.


;-)
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:36 PM
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13. Exactly how I feel--thanks for saying it!
Now I will wait for the barrage of email posts, mostly Obama supporters who will challenge our "judgment" and "intelligence" for using this as a reason on which to base our vote. I tell you I have voted for so many men (because there were no other choices) for so many years it makes me sick. Women are the MAJORITY in this country and yet this is the first time we can vote for a woman. Reason enough for me.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:03 PM
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51. THANK YOU!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:37 PM
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16. I'm just sick of BUSHES AND CLINTONS RUNNING THIS COUNTY! Can't vote for Clinton!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:38 PM by Mass
If you insist on this rational.

In fact, after yesterday's debate, I will be fine with any of them, even if I prefer Obama.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:37 PM
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17. You could always vote for Rudi...
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:39 PM
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18. That's funny!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:39 PM
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19. Which county is that?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:40 PM
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20. Oops thanks, of course I mean country!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:41 PM
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21. Wha? Obama is a MAN?!?!?!?!?!?
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:13 PM by uppityperson
edited because I can't even type a joke without a typo, sigh
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:41 PM
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22. I'M SICK OF RICH PEOPLE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY!
I'm writing-in myself!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:42 PM
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23. That's sexist.
Ya know, I was an Edwards supporter. And when Edwards dropped out and I heard RW pundits say that I supporter him because I didn' want a "woman" or an "African-American" .... I wanted to bash their heads in. We are the Civil Rights party, we are not Republicans. We base our decisions on the candidate's positions and policies, not their gender or race.

Now that Edwards is out, I support Obama. But not because he's a man. Honestly, I wish we had a Black Woman who had postions somewhere between Kucinich and Edwards. But we don't. We have Obama and Hillary. I think Hillary would make a fine President, but at this point I prefer Obama.

Don't you DARE base your vote on the sex or gender of the candidate! Otherwise, you are just as bad as the Ruling White Men you so despise.

If you like Hillary's positions, vote for Hillary. I will never fault you for that.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:45 PM
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29. No not sexist, It's just ime for a woman. Do you know how many countries already have women
Presidents etc? and some for decades!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:48 PM
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32. Not very many women have run for president in the US.
I wish more women would run because I would prefer many other women over Hillary. I would love for there to be a Woman who I would work hard for.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:49 PM
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33. "My name is Geraldine Ferraro", She was the only one I think!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM by demo dutch
This may be the only one we'll get for a long time and I'm going for it
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM
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38. Carol Mosley Braun ran last time.
Not sure if I spelled her name right.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:53 PM
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40. I know but I never got to vote for her
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM
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91. So would you vote for Condi Rice?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:44 PM
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27. Thom Hartman said Hillary's management style was more like how Men tend to lead
and Obama's is more like how women tend to lead. Maybe it's now about what kind of genitals a candidate has but who they are inside?

I prefer candidates who are more diplomatic which is more commonly associated with how women lead. Men tend to be more authoritarian, which from what Thom said, is more like Hillary's style.

Just something to think about.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:44 PM
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28. Very sad state of affairs
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:45 PM by Levgreee
you know it is sexist, and makes you a hypocrite, yes?

Amazing how little grasp on reality and values some people have. Sexist and hypocritical out of ignorance.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:46 PM
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30. No I'm not sexist. It's just time for a woman,tons of countries are there and have been for decades!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 08:47 PM by demo dutch
It's time for a change!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:50 PM
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34. So if Ann Coulter were running would you prefer her to Obama?
:shrug:
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:51 PM
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37. Don't be silly! Repugs would never put forth a woman!
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM
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41. Why bother trying to reason with her?
Voting for someone based on gender or race is ridiculous. If voting for Hillary will make her feel more liberated, good for her.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:56 PM
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43. Most appreciated!
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 PM
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84. Nonsense. If one feels two candidates are very similar, it's the small differences that
will come into play.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:26 PM
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86. I agree with that. nt
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM
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90. Yes and fior me it's the fact that it's a woman plus I think she has more experience
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM by demo dutch
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:53 PM
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39. I'm more sickened at how the media has portrayed our female candidate.
We've come a long way baby, was a bunch of BULLSHIT!

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM
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42. Heh, I'm a woman first and foremost!!
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:00 PM
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46. That's a sexist attitude.
The best person for the job should get it regardless of gender.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:12 PM
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59. This may be one of the few times where a woman might have a chance
I also think she has enough experience to doit, because there's little difference between them on issues
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:41 PM
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106. So it's OK for you to oppose Obama because he's a man?
What would you say if I started a thread saying that I can't vote for Clinton because she's a woman?
What is the difference between those two positions?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:44 PM
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153. So true, and people seem to ignore that....
I posted the facts on their votes last night, and no one cared...
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 PM
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49. I'm sick of stupid females basing their votes on BIGOTRY.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 PM by NoodleyAppendage
Voting based upon race or gender (regardless of which way you prefer) is BIGOTRY.

Get a clue.

J
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:07 PM
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56. I'm entitled to my opinion. This may be one of the few times where a woman might
have a chance. I also think she has enough experience.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 PM
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50. Well isn't this just the most sexist thread seen in awhile.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:09 PM
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57. Fair enough, but that's how I feel. This may be only time where a woman may
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:10 PM by demo dutch
actually make it and I think she has the experience to do it. There really isn't much difference in issues between Obama and Hillary
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:03 PM
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52. Yeah. So far, men have done a real bang-up job, haven't they?
REALLY. It's time to see what a woman can do! Women are nurturing, can multi-task like no one's business, they're good organizers, compassionate, they're use to being diplomatic when necessary, they're strong, they're smart and it really is just time for a woman as President. She certainly couldn't do any worse than the PSYCHO has done!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:05 PM
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54. My point exactly!
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:23 PM
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79. Oh please
And homosexuals are like this, and black people are like that, and jews are this etc.

True there are some ways in which women trend towards some tendencies and men others, but most of those tendencies are largely culturally enforced.

While I will happily vote for whoever is the candidate, and if it's HRC I will console myself with the fact that she's NOT a puke, and that she IS a woman, that's about as far as I care.

To promote a candidate based on gender/race/religion/sexual orientation is the SAME DAMN THING as rejecting a candidate based on those qualities. THE SAME!

So you're rejecting the other candidate/candidates based on their gender/race/religion/sexual orientation? Nice.

Not trying to flame you but think about it for a bit. When you choose you also reject.

If that's ok then hope to whatever you find sacred that more people don't do the same. And if they do don't cry foul.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #79
93. There's little difference between the two in terms of issues. The deciding factor
is that she's a woman, plus I think she has more experience.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:35 PM
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99. It's time for a woman to lead this country. Men have
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:37 PM by in_cog_ni_to
screwed it up beyond recognition. It's time.

I'm not voting for her just because she's a woman. She is my LAST choice for President! Dodd, Kucinich, Edwards and now Hillary because Obama is nothing but rhetoric. He wants to bring repukes into our party and play nice with the criminals who destroyed my country. Those people voted for the psycho-in-chief TWICE and the second time was AFTER we knew the psycho had LIED about why he illegally invaded Iraq! I am in NO MOOD to "play nice" with those people. The criminals must be investigated and Barack told me he will NOT investigate this regime. He wants to "move the country forward and stop the partisan bickering." REALLY? Well, then he doesn't get MY vote. Period. End of subject. He's my Senator and I helped put him where he is. Should he lose this election and run for the Senate, I won't make the same mistake again. I promise you.

Hillary is my last resort candidate. I'm not voting for her JUST BECAUSE she's a woman. I just happen to think it's about damn time to let a woman try it for a change. Men haven't doesn't such a wonderful job...besides Bill Clinton (in my lifetime).
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:15 PM
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130.  I started with Kucinich, liked Edwards for a while and now the final decision
I feel like you that it's time for a woman
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #52
148. Exactly....
time to tell the men to skooch over and let the women drive for a while!!!!

They've all been like 6 yr. old boys, playing with their little greem army men in the dirt....

Hey boys, your mom's calling you in for supper!!

LOL...
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:12 PM
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58. if that's what matters most, cool
best of luck to her and you.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:12 PM
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60. Well thank you!
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:14 PM
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62. I think when two candidates are so similar in their
votes and positions it really comes down to personal preference. Some people like Obama because they think he's motivational, some people find him annoying. Some people like Clinton because they think she's strong and tough and other people think she's just shrill and harsh.

African Americans have been seriously under-represented in our government and if a voter's motivation or partial motivation for voting for Obama is the fact he is black, I can understand that.

Women have been seriously under-represented in our government as well and if a woman is motivated to vote for Hillary because she's a woman I can understand that, too.

Most of us on this board have read the issues, watched the debates and know most of the candidates positions. If, the tipping point for a voter is race or gender I don't think that makes the voter shallow or wrong.

My first choice was John Edwards because of his anti-corporate message, but I always knew he was a long shot. I had a second choice in mind after the 2nd debate. Did the fact Hillary is a woman influence me? Probably.

I voted for a black male for Governor of my state. Doug Wilder is a very fine man and he was a great governor and is said to be an excellent mayor for the City of Richmond. It was exciting to be part of putting him into office....think of it, a black governor presiding in the confederate capital. I don't have to prove anything with my vote, I don't have to apologize for the fact that I'm excited about having a woman president.

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:17 PM
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64. Twenty years of Clintush is enough.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #64
77. Fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #77
158. It's not necessary for you to tell me that I'm entitled to my opinion.
We'll just assume it.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:17 PM
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65. Cool, vote for Hillary, a sure loser.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:19 PM
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66. Tell me about it after she experiences her first lost election. n/t
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:21 PM
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72. How true
She annihilated those two big time opponents.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:33 PM
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95. We'll see what happens
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #95
112. Yea, what the hell, give a woman a gamble.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. Um....
you're supporting Edwards (as did I before he dropped out) and you are calling another candidate a sure loser? Isn't that the crap we heard about Edwards?

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM
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68. I'm shocked to hear you say this.
I mean, I never, ever would expect something like this from you.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM
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71. Hi sniffa how are you!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:21 PM
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75. I'm wicked awesome
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:22 PM
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78. Good for you!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM
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69. There are a lot of men who share the same exact sentiment as you do.
K&R
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. Great!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #73
98. Check this guy out
who I talked about in this thread here. He wants Hillary for all the same reasons: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3921461
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #69
80. I have a brother-in-law who was a bush supporter
up until about a year ago. He is voting for Hillary because he thinks women are inherently better at multi-tasking, administration, etc. I almost feel out of my chair when my sister told me that as I didn't know he had become disenchanted with bush.

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:24 PM
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82. Great, you'd be surprised, how many women feel that way. I think it's a major factor
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 PM by demo dutch
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #80
92. It sounds similar
to a guy who I "met" in a diner one day. I even started a thread about it. Check it out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3921461
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:36 PM
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100. I'm sure plenty of people have their reasons
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #92
115. That's a great story....
I was SO shocked when my sister said her husband was going to vote for Hillary Clinton. She is, too. I only wish my other family members would see the light. My mom might vote for Hillary, she plays it close to the vest so I don't know. My dad would vote for Obama but all the rest are republicans.

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #115
124. Republicans will most likely vote republican, depite the 100 yrs in Iraq
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #124
129. I have 3 converts in my immediate family....
I guess that's better than nothing.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #129
131. My husband is an Indie and will vote for her too, just thinks she's got the experience.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:17 PM by demo dutch
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:18 PM
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132. I hate to say my husband refuses to vote every again....
I told him if he voted for Kerry I would never push him again. He did, so I'll keep my word.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #132
134. Wow he won't vote at all??? If so that's a shame
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #134
135. Nope....
he's of the opinion they are all crooks and he refuses to vote. He voted for Kerry because I begged and pleaded and he hates george bush so he capitulated.

He's a great husband and I love him dearly but he can be stubborn as hell about some things.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #135
137. My view point is, and I'm sure you agree, the only thing you can do to
exercise your opinion is by voting out the crooks. I mean it's for the people by the people, you can't rely on others to do the job for you. At least in 2006 we all made a difference and I intend to make a difference as long as I live.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #137
147. He does vote in local and state elections.
I guess we all have our faults and this is one of his.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #69
161. As they have for the last 219 years...
tme for them to shut up and sit down.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:21 PM
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76. I concur that if both candidates are equivalent, the "fine tuning" comes into play. NT
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. Yeah, that's what it boiled down to. We may not come this close to a presidency again.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #81
87. It's ironic that DU, which is generally pro affirmative action, would get so prissy about
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:27 PM by mondo joe
the idea of advancing a member of a historically excluded group now.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #87
96. comparing the presidential candicy to AA is ridiculous, and shows you don't understand AA
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #96
105. To the contrary: you have 2 equally competent qualified candidates. Why
not seek to break some barriers (for either race or gender)?
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #105
114. Because you don't have 2 equally competent qualifed candidates... if you are unsure about this...
keep researching. Don't call and end to it because of Gender or Race.(also, by equally competent, I mean they may overall be equal, but one may be more competent than others on certain issues).

Also, AA isn't designed to work in individual decisions, rather, for groups of people, insitutions. On an individual level it is segregation.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #114
120. Okay - Hillary is somewhat more qualified. nt
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #114
127. I have researched and researched, and made my decision. I also think she's more
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:12 PM by demo dutch
experienced.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #105
125. I'm sure that some did the same in South Carolina, You can't tell me they didn't!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:11 PM by demo dutch
and Oprah implies some of the same, so why shouldn't I prefer a woman
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:25 PM
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83. Bigot.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #83
102. She can't hear you, and will never understand.
The good news is that their are plenty of stupid people who won't be voting even if that one might be.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #102
116. Instead of insults, Better take a look at some great examples in the rest of
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #83
103. Why? There's little difference in issues between the two, and I choose the woman?, I'm a
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:39 PM by demo dutch
biggot? because I think she has more experience that's silly
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #103
122. More experience and a shitload of baggage too
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:20 PM by Canadian_moderate
Clinton will rally the repugs and even the moderates, whereas Obama has a much better chance to draw moderates and independents.

May the best nominee win, regardless of gender or race!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:13 PM
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128. We each have our opinion
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #83
152. Give me a fucking break....
219 years, and a woman has never been president.....yeah, I'm sure it was an oversight....
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:31 PM
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89. There's a huge difference -- on issues AND tactics.
Gender is a false issue in this campaign. Race however is not.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #89
104. Yeah well it shouldn't be
As the party of equality the only topics that touch on race and gender should be in discussing how much other more bigoted people let it influence their decisions. Might as well make it about religion or sexual preference.

How do you expect others to believe that we are all one if you don't believe it yourself?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:42 PM
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108. Would you say the same thing if it was Condi running as a Dem?
More and more they're getting to remind me of each other. So yes, gender is a false issue in this campaign.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. That's just ridiculous. No Democratic woman on this board would ever vote for Condi just because
she's female. That's a really stupid argument....not EVEN if she ran as a Democrat, which she would NEVER do, btw.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #110
117. Thank you incognito!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #117
119. You're welcome!
We women have to stick together.:7
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:57 PM
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121. :)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #110
155. I'd never vote for her...
she's wicked.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #89
107. There's not a huge difference on issues, & some difference on tactics
like I said I want to see what a woman can do. There are tons of countries that have had women for decades, it's time!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #89
154. No, there's not....
Their votes were identical with the exception of 2. One of which Obama didn't show for. Imagine that.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:34 PM
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97. That's a good response to the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton argument.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:36 PM
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101. You sure you are on the right board?
Voting for someone based on their sex? Truly sad.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #101
109. Yes. There's little difference beween Obama and Clinton on issues and I think
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:45 PM by demo dutch
I think this will be one of the few times, I will have a chance to vote on a woman who
could make it. I also think she's got the experience and so that's my opinion. There are tons of countries that have had women for decades, It's time!
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:45 PM
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111. I got two words: Margaret Thatcher.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:48 PM by junofeb
The iron lady was probably one of the coldest and most aggressive PM's in England's history. At least Dennis didn't feel the need to constantly speak up in her defence. Seems ol' Mags took care of number one just fine.

on edit: that said, I'm undecided as of yet, but, as a working stiff who has spent their life making others rich, Hillary's policies don't thrill me
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. There are plenty of great examples oher than Thatcher, and besides compared
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:49 PM by demo dutch
to American politicians, she wasn't as conservative as Elisabeth Dole for example
Check out his thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4340207&mesg_id=4340207
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:55 PM
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118. I like HRC because she's the most qualified.
And I like her policies. However, I remember holding my niece, a few hours old, on Jan. 5, 2005. And, omg, watching her grow into the vibrant little lady she is now. Now figure it, our next president will serve until she's seven (definitely aware of the importance of the POTUS), and if it goes for two terms, that person will serve until she's eleven. I was 7-8 y.o. when RFK and MLK were assassinated, and I remember the one-two punch from those times. I want my great-niece (and no, I'm not a great-aunt with swollen ankles and rolled-down knee-highs, I'm only 47), to be proud of her gender and what good, qualified women can achieve.
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:04 PM
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123. The big difference is the DLC.
Hillary is a member of the DLC. Obama is not. The change that you seek is not in gender, but in whether the candidate has a real corporate agenda. I don't want another PNAC president (founder of the DLC is a PNAC signatory), which is what we will get with Hillary. She showed us as much by voting for Kyl-Lieberman, in my opinion.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #123
133. He'll become a member soon enough. He was endorsed by the establishment Kennedy and Kerry so....
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:20 PM by demo dutch
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #133
138. Kennedy and Kerry are not DLCers.
And Obama has turned his back on the DLC already.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:32 PM
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142. He's a junior senator, not much to go on, and we won't know what the future will bring
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:33 PM by demo dutch
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:35 PM
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145. But that does not refute that Hillary IS a DLCer
and Obama is NOT.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #142
146. All I know is I sure don't know what the future
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:36 PM by truedelphi
Will bring.

I am encouraged by a Tee shirt I saw today <This is totally off subject>

Always remember that age and treachery will trump youth and skills!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:25 PM
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136. I'm tired of WHITES RUNNING THIS COUNTRY! Can't vote for Hillary!
There isn't much difference in issues between Obama and Hillary, so Time for a change.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:31 PM
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139. Great, may the best candidate win!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:31 PM
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140. LOL....agreed.
That, would be the ultimate change, wouldn't it?
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:31 PM
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141. Up with sexism!!!!!!!!!!!!
:thumbsup:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:33 PM
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143. Oh mi gawd
I had not realized that Obama is a man.

I had heard that this Presidential candidate was black.

Uh Oh,. My next door neighbor is mentioning that my husband is a man as well.

At least I always thought the box he checked on official forms meant he wanted "mail"
But now I guess he was indicating...
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:40 PM
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150. Its true!!!
I think Obama might even have a penis! SHHH! :hide: You might want to check your hubby as well!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:40 PM
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149. Does that include Bill Clinton?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:42 PM
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151. Especially arrogant men who take women for granted - we'd vote for him, but his
supporters won't vote for Hillary. Tomorrow I'll go flyering the city for Hillary - just for that POS!
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:50 PM
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156. This is the close minded crap that has Bush winning two terms
Idiot Republicans who struggle to pay their bills, vote for that moron because he is against abortion.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:51 PM
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157. I'm sick of rich people running this country. Can't vote Republican.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 10:52 PM by gulliver
Nice post, BTW.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:25 AM
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159. And your solution is to vote for an American version of Maggie Thatcher?
Pathetic!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:28 AM
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160. So it gets down to the presence of vas deferans vs. the vaginal canal?
Great idea!

:sarcasm:


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