Shame on you DUers who are trying to pretend the IWR she voted on is now irrelevant!

[Nimrod2005]

Just like Hillary, you must come from the Dick Cheney school of politics!

You should be ashamed of yourself. :evilfrown:

[Freida5]

1. Who's pretending. It is irrelevant now.

[emilyg]

8. Thank you.

The past is over.

[rateyes]

13. Yeah, the past is over....

especially for all the war dead. But, for their families, the past haunts their futures.

The War vote is very relevant.

[emilyg]

15. Nothing I can do to change the past.

[rateyes]

21. Yeah, but there is something about the past that you can use to change the future.

Learn from it. Don't elect people who, in the past, used poor judgment to help get us into the Iraq War, and then refuse to own up to making that poor judgment.

You can't change the past, but you can allow the lesson of the past to change you.

[CTLawGuy]

23. That argument doesn't work as a defense at your murder trial

and it shouldn't work here either.

[msongs]

2. or shame on obamanistas who think his continued voting to support the war is virtuous? Or

shame on both :-)

Msongs

[Nimrod2005]

3. You are sick --- Who are you people?

[rjones2818]

4. Bingo!

Not a dime for war supporters!

:evilgrin:

[Whisp]

6. how do you feel about the Pelosi-istas who think this

continued voting to support the war is virtuous? same?
It's her job to lead, isn't it?

[billbuckhead]

5. Bullshit! She voted to back UN sanctions and support the troops

Bush was going to attack come hell or high water, lie to everyone and nothing Democrats could do could have stopped him. Interesting though that :+bama has the same exact record on Iraq since he joined the senate.

[Nimrod2005]

7. You sound like a mad idiot, stop it!

Fool, shame on you!

[tritsofme]

10. The IWR was what it was.

A de facto declaration of war.

I don't defend it, it was a blunder.

Obama was never faced with the same choice.

Who knows how he would have actually voted given the chance, because as you note, they have the same record since 2005.

[rateyes]

14. And put her vote on an AUTHORIZATION TO USE MILITARY FORCE.

[CTLawGuy]

25. military force...

is just a code word for UN sanctions :crazy: :crazy:

[CTLawGuy]

24. then why didn't she vote for resolution

that backed UN sanctions and supported the troops? She actually voted for a resolution that gave the president a blank check to go to war.

[mtnsnake]

9. The only one using the word "irrelevant" is you. I don't recall any Hillary people saying irrelevant

[roguevalley]

11. they both suck for what they did about this war but they are all we

got. The votes aren't irrelevant or over. People are still dead. If they could sit up from their graves, then it would all be irrelevant. We are all responsible for our actions, good and bad.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Shame on Barack Obama

And his fanclub for trying to pretend that gay baiting and pandering to bigots is now irrelevant!

Shame whoever you want. Your candidate should be ashamed of his tactics and his personal choice of surrogates in the form of McClurkin the Bush lover.
I would not even bring it up if the Obama campaign and his backers would not act like such holier than thou self proclaimers. Your candidate voted for the Patriot Act and every single request for cash that Bush could come up with. Opposed it, but paid for it. Interesting, I guess that's the 'bringing all sides together' we hear about, it really means 'say one thing, do the other'.
How many here will agree to pay for something they think is immoral, wasteful and stupid? So what's with all those funding votes? Obama voted for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill, since you mentioned Cheney!
Obama plays dirty politics. Stop pretending he is righteous. And while you are at it, stop pretending the candidate's boosters are playing clean and honest. Far from it.
This up in the air late voting Edwards/Kucinich backer finds the defense of gay baiting coupled with the high horse attitude of the Obama camp to be hypocritical. The invective disturbing. 'Shame'? Cheney? What a steaming pile of schoolyard name calling. Odd that those who like a man like Obama would behave like those who like Bush.

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[ErnestoG]

16. Oh the Hillarbots SO want this to go away....but it won't. EVER.

And it shouldn't. Who the hell wants a president with their hand on the button of military force, who was so easily led to support Bush's bullshit war?

NOT ME.

[Tellurian]

19. No we don't! Obama is a laughing stock because he doesn't get it!

Nobody cares who started it..They blame Bush, as well they should!

ALL anyone cares about is when are the troops coming home!

Keep it coming! :rofl: All people see is an empty suit out of touch with reality!

:rofl:

[Tom Rinaldo]

18. Shame on you for calling Hillary from the Cheney school of politics

That is exactly the type of crap that divides us here and keeps us fighting. If you choose fighting words you are looking for a fight. That is not what we need right now. I'll discuss the issues with someone else on a thread that doesn't start out as flamebait.

[robbedvoter]

20. It is NOT irrelevant. Neither is Obama's initial opposition. But having doubted Edwards's

conversion, I'll say this much on his behalf: at least he changed in the right direction!
If Obama was so smart in 2002, why did he say in 2006 that we didn't have to look into how we got in Iraq? (senate speech I remember). And why did he vote to fund the war he knew was stupid? It seems the more people realized the war was wrong, the more Obama seemed to forget his initial - good -judgment.
How is this evolution of his actions make me trust his judgment as POTUS?

[bigtree]

22. shame on you for this flamebait