Obama SLAMS McCain

[bernicewilliams]

Ouch. If this were boxing, I don't think McCain would stand back up before the count of 10.

“There was a time when some Republicans like John McCain agreed with me,” Obama said, of his calls to roll back Bush’s temporary tax cuts for the richest Americans instead of making those tax cuts permanent.

“There was a time when Senator McCain courageously defied the fiscal madness of massive tax cuts for the wealthy in the midst of a costly war,” Obama said. “That was before he started running for the Republican nomination and fell in line.”

It happened today in New Mexico.

This is the real war I want to see.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-mccain-to.html

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Eeeexcellent!

[neutron]

16. He is also Mailing Clinton Smearing Flyers

CNN showed one saying "Hillary Clinton wants to Force You
To Buy Health Insurance Even if you Can't Afford It."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. I thought Hillary was calling for mandatory coverage?

And anyhow, isn't this thread about McCain?

[rhett o rick]

31. Do you have a link neutron? Or just causing derision? nm

[jberryhill]

34. I'm an Obama supporter, and I got one

...I'll see if I can pull it out of the trash and scan it.

I was a little disappointed.

They are one-sheet glossy two-page folded flyers.

(got it in Delaware, btw, where Obama is appearing Sunday. I can't remember the last time a candidate came to Delaware - other than Joe Biden, of course, who lives here)

[rhett o rick]

35. Did it have Karl Rove's name on it anywhere? nm

[jberryhill]

37. No, but it's got the seal of a printers' union local on it

Underneath the "Paid for" message, it has this:



Here's the bulk mailing data:



and here's one of the pages:



Now, you can also check my name after the next round of donation reporting, and you can verify that I am an Obama donor. I didn't think I was paying for crap like this.

[Adelante]

43. Well, you can pay for Clinton's crap like that, instead, if you want

But it's a campaign mailer. They're both going to send them. Donors are going to pay for them.

[jberryhill]

38. Hey, dude...

Just for you, we've identified the print shop it came from.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4357082&mesg_id=4357082


Do you deny the Obama campaign sent it?

[rhett o rick]

39. "Hey dude"?? are you serious?

[rhett o rick]

40. You are playing right into the Karl Rove hand. Why don't you stick to issues

and stop this derisive bullschite? It is exactly what Karl wants. In fact there are trolls here just trying to stir up trouble amongst us. If you want to talk about issues fine. It would be nothing for Karl and company to fake these. Stick to issues please. And what is this calling me "dude". That is so last week.

[jberryhill]

41. I'll choose what pronouns I like

First you asked for a link that the flyers were sent.

Then you denied they were sent by the Obama campaign.

"Trolls here" didn't print and mail me that flyer, and neither did Karl Rove.

As I mentioned, I'm an Obama donor, and I'm disappointed to see my money being spent that way.

[rhett o rick]

42. I am currently supporting Obama also. And I am not trying to defend him here. And I

didn't deny that his organization sent the fliers. What I am saying is that we all need to be suspicious of these "tricks". I will guarantee that Karl Rove and his "workers" are doing their best to disrupt the Democratic party and DU. And they have enough money at their disposal to do some significant damage. I see numerous posters in here that never address issues but only exude hate.

As far as calling me "dude", I don't care at all. Hell I have been called far worse. I was just giving you some schite trying to lighten it up in here.

[jberryhill]

44. Okay, hon /nt

[cali]

2. way to hit McCain

this is what we need to see.

[Abacus]

8. I liked

his line about the straight talk express losing some wheels.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Here's what Obama is doing, and it's very smart--he's debunking the maverick myth.

Hitting McCain on what will be his general-election Indie-stealing strength, and also tarnishing the "straight-talk" halo by illuminating his flip-flop. How...Rovian. I love it!!!

[calmblueocean]

17. Brilliant!

You've summed it all up in two sentences. By the time Obama's done with him, McCain will be riding the Crooked Talk Rollerskate. :)

[Cha]

21. And it's the truth which

karl rove never had at his diposal.

[Faygo Kid]

4. Beautiful.

Just great. Thanks for posting.

[iamjoy]

5. Way To Go

That's the way to do it - attack the Maverick image McCain wants voters to buy and show him as a sell out. No nasty attacks on his record in Vietnam or on his family - just tear away the thin veneer of what is McCain's greatest strength.

:woohoo:

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. The gop has been leaving Obama alone so far. It won't last much longer.

[ErnestoG]

14. Good. Bring it.

I have no doubt my candidate can take what they deliver and return it to them tenfold.

[The_Casual_Observer]

23. Apparently Bill Clinton is much more fearsome than the gop.

The Obamas couldn't handle it.

[ErnestoG]

28. I think Hillary's campaign thought so too, and put a muzzle on him.

[parasim]

7. Yes! and I totally agree with Barack.

There was a time where I actually thought that John McCain's ideas, although he was a Republican, had some merit. Today... uh, not so much.

[ErnestoG]

9. He is acting like the nominee already. GO OBAMA.

[eridani]

10. Oooohhhh SNAP! n/t

[Thrill]

11. McCain is weak on the economy

and He defends the War too hard. He's toast against Barack.

[calmblueocean]

12. Talk radio is in meltdown mode over McCain!

The Laura Ingraham show today, for instance, spent the last hour just constantly, desperately begging voters to choose Romney instead.

A caller to the Michael Medved show said he was terrified that McCain couldn't pull his own weight in a debate with Obama, that he would seem like a whispering wheezing geezer, and Medved -- McCain's biggest and perhaps only talk radio cheerleader -- replied, "You know what? I agree with you. I have the same concern, and no snappy comeback for it. It's a problem."

I don't think McCain will be nearly as easy to beat as some conservatives seem to think -- McCain has a history of profound sacrifice for this country that is emotionally moving, no matter what party you're in. He's cranky, he's old, he's got a temper like a stuck bull, but if anyone can convince the country to stay in Iraq, it'll be this man who suffered through year after year of excruciating physical torture because he believed in his country.

I do think Obama is our best shot at countering him. I think Hillary's IWR vote leaves her morally compromised, and actually amplifies the frame of McCain's story. And of course, she's one of the only forces on earth that can compel rock-ribbed conservatives to the polls to vote for a man many of them truly loathe.

If you think their nominee is going to be McCain, our best shot is with Obama.

[Cha]

20. Yes, mccain made a sacrifice but

bush went awol.. ya just can't figure.

[K Gardner]

13. Barack will crush him in a debate AND in a general election!

[bernicewilliams]

15. Well, Kerry crushed Bush three times in debate

Unfortunately, the mainstream media decides elections.

They didn't tell you that Kerry dominated the debates. And perception is everything.

[Dumak]

33. I wouldn't be too cocky about the prospect of debating against McCain

McCain's handlers will choose the debates carefully. The moderators will be Republican-friendly, and they will know enough to keep the debates slow-paced, and give Obama/Clinton the first shot at any difficult questions. This will give McCain plenty of time to listen to advice through his ear piece, should he choose to wear one. Miraculously, many questions will easily answered soundbite-style by McCain as through they were rehearsed.

[Cha]

18. Dunk!

Obama knows how to take it to heart of the matter.

I can just see mccain falling in line when he wasn't falling all over bush.

[bernicewilliams]

22. Clinton is very good, but...

Clinton gets in trouble because he says things in a cryptic way that may be, and many times are, misinterpreted, even if he meant good.
Obama's style is simple and straight to the point.

[Cha]

24. I have no respect for

clinton anymore so I no longer think he's "good" but I agree that Obama talks in a way that there is no mistake in what he's saying and that he means it.

[bernicewilliams]

25. I bet you can't even explain why you have no respect for Clinton n/t

[Cha]

26. You'd lose that bet, bernice..

and that's not a very good way to have someone open up.

[bernicewilliams]

27. Go ahead. I'm ready for you

The fact that you have no words to describe why you hate him is a sign that you are just Mr. conventional wisdom man, who heard that Bill Clinton brought up the race card several times, so it must be true!

[johnnydrama]

29. McCain

McCain will be cut by 1000 tiny You Tubes.

Because most of those things he changed his mind about during the Repub primary, he's going to change back during the GE.

[jasmine621]

30. It's about time he started attacking the opposition. nt

[cali]

32. wouldn't it be nice if Hillary joined and

Bill too? But I guess Bill's to bush bashing Teddy.

[lebkuchen]

36. I want to see some anger in the candidate I choose

and this is a big step in the right direction.