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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:09 PM
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Excellent Rezco article and an example of Mr. Good Judgement's being right on day one.
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/02/01/columns/john_brummett/020208brummett.txt


John Brummett
THE MORNING NEWS

Nearly all successful politicians develop friendly relations with rich people who favor them with campaign money. Politicians can’t know which if any of these pals and benefactors will turn out to be crooks.

So I dismiss much — which is hardly to say all — of the controversy about Barack Obama’s relationship with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, the Chicago businessman now under indictment for bribes, kickback schemes and fraud.

The part I don’t dismiss, and to which I’ll return, strikes me as serious business.

Obama was from Chicago when he became the first African-American named editor of the Harvard Law Review. That got him on this Rezko character’s radar screen. Rezko called Obama and offered him a job. Obama declined, but he and Rezko became friends, as did their spouses. They hung out from two to a half-dozen times a year, we’re told.

Obama became a lawyer and community organizer in Chicago, and Rezko got into the property development business seeking to take advantage of federal programs. Obama apparently never directly represented Rezko legally, though he did represent nonprofit groups that became partners with Rezko in development projects.



Rezko helped bankroll Obama’s political campaigns, first for the state Senate and then the U.S. Senate. The Obama presidential campaign has been busy lately trying to donate to charity any money tied to Rezko. It’s into the tens of thousands.

All of that is unfortunate, but as forgivable politically as the Clintons’ dealings with the McDougals or Bill Clinton’s granting a pardon to an international fugitive whose wife had donated to Clinton’s presidential library.

What I don’t dismiss is that, when Obama wanted to buy his dream house in Chicago, he got Rezko essentially to help him do so, and made this arrangement in 2005, only months after being elected to the U.S. Senate.

Look — buy your own blasted house, just between you and the mortgage company. OK? That’s how the rest of us have to do it.

While it appears so far that Obama never did anything tangible while in public office to benefit Rezko, and even opposed him on a gambling issue, there’s a certain principle we have the right to expect from a man of such soaring eloquence. It’s this: If you’re in electoral politics, sometimes known as public service, please take special pains to avoid entanglements that would compromise or appear to compromise you.

Here’s the house deal, as related by Chicago’s newspapers: Barack and Michelle took a shine to this particular house. But the seller owned an adjoining vacant lot, and, in a hurry to unload both properties and move, wanted to sell the house and the lot at the same time.

Obama felt he could barely afford the house, much less the lot. He mentioned the availability of the lot to Rezko, who was not in any known trouble at the time, and whose wife then bought the lot. The two deals closed on the same day. Obama got the house for $300,000 less than the $1.9 million asking price. Rezko’s wife paid the asking price, $625,000, for the vacant lot.

Later, Obama bought from Rezko a strip of the vacant lot for $104,500, which was a fair price, or even above market.

You could argue that this man now under indictment, acting through his wife, paid for part of a U.S. senator’s home, since the seller wanted to package the deals.

Obama himself has called his action in this matter “bone-headed.”

It was at least that. It causes me to worry less about his integrity, which he has appeared to maintain in his official actions, than his judgment.

And it’s not relevant to say the Clintons have done things just as smelly. That’s a trite Clintonian refrain. We need politicians who reach for a higher common denominator than that.

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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:10 PM
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1. Kick and rec...
great stroy...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:16 PM
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2. wow....just wow...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704250011
Hillary Clinton on Monday, January 21st, 2008 in a debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C.
A fragment of truth, distorted
Barely True
In one of the most heated exchanges of the Democratic debates, Hillary Clinton on Monday night fired off this pointed attack on Barack Obama:

“I was fighting against those (Republican) ideas when you were practicing law and representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago.”

Asked later to respond, Obama said, “Here’s what happened: I was an associate at a law firm that represented a church group that had partnered with this individual to do a project and I did about five hours worth of work on this joint project.”

The man in question here is Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a Chicago real estate developer and fast food magnate now under federal indictment. He’s also a longtime friend of Obama who over the years did a good amount of fundraising for him.

In April 2007, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that Obama did some legal work between 1995 and 1998 on a series of troubled low-income housing deals involving Rezmar Corp., owned by Rezko.

Reporter Tim Novak reported that Obama was an associate attorney with the small Chicago law firm, Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland, that helped Rezmar and not-for-profit community groups secure more than $43-million in government funding to rehab 15 apartment buildings for the poor. Four ended up in foreclosure.

In all, Novak reported, Rezmar rehabbed 30 buildings, a third of which were in the Illinois Senate district Obama represented between 1997 and 2004. Many of the buildings fell into squalid disrepair and financial straits while Obama was state senator, prompting the city to repeatedly sue over problems, including no heat.

Obama’s campaign staff told the Sun-Times that Obama worked on some of the deals, but that his Rezmar-related work amounted to just five hours.
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Bottom line, Clinton’s claim is Barely True. Obama, by his own admission, did some, albeit very little, legal work that helped Rezko’s company obtain properties that would later be neglected. But the allegations that Rezko was a slumlord did not arise, at least not publicly, until years after Obama performed that work.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/306 /



On the April 24 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume, chief Washington correspondent Jim Angle claimed that an April 23 Chicago Sun-Times article "alleged Obama did legal work for Rezko that enabled him to get $43 million in government funding to rehab 15 buildings." In fact, the Sun-Times reported that while Obama worked at the law firm that helped Rezko's company, Rezmar, secure the government funding, his role in the Rezmar deals is "unclear," and that Obama's campaign said Obama worked only five hours on Rezmar-related deals. "Senator Obama did not directly represent Mr. Rezko or his firms," according to an email from Obama's staff that the Sun-Times quoted. "He did represent on a very limited basis ventures in which Mr. Rezko's entities participated along with others."

Angle also reported: "Rezko's the same man whose wife bought the lot next door to Obama's house on the same day the senator bought his home, then later sold half that lot to Obama for 1/3 its original value." A December 17, 2006, Washington Post article, however, cited an Obama spokesman in reporting that Obama purchased one-sixth of Rezko's lot and paid Rezko more than double its appraised value because "Obama considered it fair to pay one-sixth of the original price for one-sixth of the lot."

As Media Matters for America has documented, several media outlets have cast the Obama-Rezko land deal as a "scandal," despite the complete absence of evidence of impropriety or allegation of wrongdoing.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704250011


* Land deal

On November 1, 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Obama and Antoin "Tony" Rezko -- who had "pleaded not guilty to federal charges involving pay-to-play allegations that surround Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's administration" -- bought adjoining properties on the same day in 2005 and that as Obama and Rezko "jointly worked to improve their side-by-side properties, the two men entered an ongoing series of personal financial arrangements." The Tribune article alleged no wrongdoing and quoted Obama saying: "I haven't been involved with in any legislative work whatsoever or any government activities of any sort." The article noted: "In normal circumstances, the two real estate transactions probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. There is, after all, nothing illegal or untoward about an aggressive developer buying hot property next door to a rising political star." Indeed, the only apparent cause for the article's existence was that "these are not normal times for either Obama or Rezko."

Even though the article alleged no wrongdoing on Obama's part, the Tribune editorialized two days later, writing that "the senator's real estate tie to Rezko threatens to leave Obama hoisted by his ethics petard."

More than a month later, Slate.com teased a December 14 article, headlined "Barackwater" and written by Slate chief political correspondent John Dickerson, by suggesting that the article exposed a "Shady Real Estate Deal" involving Obama. The article, whose headline was a reference to the Clinton-era Whitewater real-estate "scandal," which gave rise to an extensive, multimillion-dollar investigation that turned up no evidence of illegality by the Clintons, in fact explained that there is "no evidence" Obama did anything wrong.

But even with the constant refrain that Obama had not "been accused of wrongdoing," as the AP reported, the discussion of the land deal came up again following Obama's announcement that he was forming an exploratory committee. For instance, on the January 20 edition of Fox News Watch, Newsday columnist Jim Pinkerton asserted that one of "the questions about a fellow ... named Barack Hussein Obama" is "about this land deal he had." Similarly, during a report on the January 16 edition of ABC's Nightline, ABC News senior national correspondent Jake Tapper asked, "Just who the hell is Barack Obama?" and noted that voters "may not like what they hear about a questionable land deal was involved in with a political operative since indicted for fraud."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011#landdeal




Q: Senator, when did you first meet Tony Rezko? How did you become friends? How often would you meet with him, and when did you last speak with him?

A: I had attracted some media attention when I was elected the first black President of the Harvard Law Review. And while I was in law school, David Brint, who was a development partner with Tony Rezko contacted me and asked whether I would be interested in being a developer. Ultimately, after discussions in which I met Mr. Rezko, I said no.

I have probably had lunch with Rezko once or twice a year and our spouses may have gotten together on two to four occasions in the time that I have known him. I last spoke with Tony Rezko more than six months ago.

Q:. Have you or your wife participated in any other transactions of any kind with Rezko or companies he owns? Have you or your wife ever done any legal work ever for Rezko or his companies?

A: No.

Q: Has Rezko ever given you or your family members gifts of any kind and, if so, what were they?

A: No.

Q: The seller of your house appears to be a doctor at the University of Chicago . Do you or your wife know him? If so, did either of you ever talk to him about subdividing the property? If you ever did discuss the property with him, when were those conversations?

A: We did not know him personally, though my wife worked in the same University hospital. The property was subdivided and two lots were separately listed when we first learned of it. We did not discuss the property with the owners; the sale was negotiated for us by our agent.

Q: Did you approach Rezko or his wife about the property, or did they approach you?

A: To the best of my recollection, I told him about the property, and he developed an interest, knowing both the location and, as I recall, the developer who had previously purchased it.

Q: Who was your Realtor? Did this Realtor also represent Rita Rezko?

A: Miriam Zeltzerman, who had also represented me in the purchase of my prior property, a condominium, in Hyde Park. She did not represent Rita Rezko.

Q: How do you explain the fact your family purchased your home the same day as Rita Rezko bought the property adjacent to yours? Was this a coordinated purchase?

A: The sellers required the closing of both properties at the same time. As they were moving out of town, they wished to conclude the sale of both properties simultaneously. The lot was purchased first; with the purchase of the house on the adjacent lot, the closings could proceed and did, on the same day, pursuant to the condition set by the sellers.

Q: Why is it that you were able to buy your parcel for $300,000 less than the asking price, and Rita Rezko paid full price? Who negotiated this end of the deal? Did whoever negotiated it have any contact with Rita and Tony Rezko or their Realtor or lawyer?

A: Our agent negotiated only with the seller's agent. As we understood it, the house had been listed for some time, for months, and our offer was one of two and, as we understood it, it was the best offer. The original listed price was too high for the market at the time, and we understood that the sellers, who were anxious to move, were prepared to sell the house for what they paid for it, which is what they did.

We were not involved in the Rezko negotiation of the price for the adjacent lot. It was our understanding that the owners had received, from another buyer, an offer for $625,000 and that therefore the Rezkos could not have offered or purchased that lot for less.
Read more.....
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-ob...
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:24 AM
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57. Looks shady to me! Obama candidate for Change? Not really!
Kind of undermines his whole theme huh?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:44 AM
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85. everything about Obama
"looks" shady to you. Your very obvious in your intent to trash the guy. It's a shame you have no other way to promote your choice of candidate.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:16 PM
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3. K & R - but on DU most will not care
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:16 PM
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4. Funny - when I was watching the debate last nite and Obama was
talking about his wonderful judgement, I was wishing she would say something about this.

Nope - she was on her best behavior last nite. Damn :)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:40 PM
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24. personally, i am glad Hill did not bring it up last night. would have been
nice to see, but too risky since she did it last time.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:20 PM
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5. You want some bad judgement that really matters?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:21 PM
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6. Ms. 35 Years Of Experience(TM) is the LAST person who should be bringing up shady donors. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:41 PM
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27. Hillary did not. but the artilce was more than fair.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:16 AM
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51. Excuse you?
She brought Rezko up at the debate last week.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:45 AM
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75. oh don't worry your little obamababy mind. I was walking about last night. Check!
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:47 AM by rodeodance
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:07 AM
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78. Huh? I'm glad you're getting exercise.
:shrug:
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:21 PM
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7. It's rather amusing that this story gets ignored by the Pollybamas,
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:22 PM by juajen
isn't it? It's a tad worse than bone-headed, I believe. He decided he could get away with it; and, of course, he is. After all, his name is not Clinton. They do nothing, and can't get away with it. Go figure!
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:25 PM
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8. The television media have refused to cover. They must be waiting for the general election.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:32 PM
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11. My feeling is that he is untouchable. Anytime you go after him you are labeled a racist.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:32 PM by goldcanyonaz
Many words are off limits because they can be construed to mean something else. I am a 30 year old black woman who supports Hillary Clinton for President and am so disgusted at the way the media have portrayed her.

Most of the young women who support Obama have yet to know what sexism is, but as soon as they get into a career position like myself, they shall see that the ceiling is still firmly in place.

My husband is so disgusted that he wont even vote for Obama. I'm close behind him, but want to support our party, even though I feel as though my party has sold me out.

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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:35 PM
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17. I am with you. The sexism is obvious. I will not vote for Obama.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:38 PM
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21. I'm stunned
I never, ever would have thought you'd feel this way.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:44 PM
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30. I think it is obvious to anyone that the media is using kids gloves.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:38 PM
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20. They'll never cover it. No more than they covered Funeralgate for George.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:42 PM
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28. you think ?--if they do it will be about his tie,
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:27 PM
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9. His line of just 5 hours of law work was his whole association with Rezko was a lie!
He is no different and his campaign is based on falsehoods.
Republicans love this stuff. He will not be a shoo-in as his blind followers say.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:35 PM
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15. How is it a lie?
I see nothing saying otherwise, that he spent more than a small amount of time on Rezko deals.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:37 PM
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19. No, it was a direct and truthful answer to a direct charge.
Clinton said while I was working for children, "you were working for a slumlord named Rezcko." Obama said, "I did five hours of work for him." Not anything like a lie.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:38 PM
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23. Carefully parsed to utterly mislead.
Isn't that what Bill Clinton was constantly accused of?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:45 PM
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31. She said, "you worked for Rezko!" That was the sole accusation.
He replied, I only worked five hours for Rezko. What.The.Fuck. What should he have said? I worked five hours for Rezko and we also partnered on a real estate deal and he threw a fundraiser for my Senate campaign and my wife and his wife play tennis on Sundays? Honest to god this is assinine.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:48 PM
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34. oh obama was slick on that that one. It left the impression to all listening that
it only those 5 hrs. --yes, 5 hours legal work for him. no lie there. but its the 15 plus years of his others dealings that were left out.
slick slick slick.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:52 PM
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38. HE WASN'T ASKED ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE
She said, YOU WORKED FOR SLUMLORD REZKO. He said, I DID ABOUT FIVE HOURS OF WORK FOR HIM. He answered the charge, he wasn't obliged to say anything more, and furthermore, why should he, he HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:17 AM
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52. that whole scene was slick. simple as that. and you know it now don't you.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:11 AM
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67. I can't believe we've come to this
Shame On You
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:43 AM
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74. back atcha sweetie:-)
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:27 PM
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10. self delete
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:28 PM by REDFISHBLUEFISH
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:32 PM
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12. since you deleted i'll move mine.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:36 PM by Stephanie
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:34 PM
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13. Why Obama went to Rezko for "advice" when buying his house...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:37 PM by LiberalHeart
Obama has said he always knew the lot next to his would be developed. So there's the gift: he turned to a developer because: 1) he wanted the lot to be sold to a developer he could control -- so he could make sure the property would be developed in a way he approved ... or 2) he wanted the lot to be sold to a developer who would promise not to develop the lot as long as Obama lived next door. That Mrs. Rezko was the buyer and not Mr. Rezko is just indicative of an effort to put a layer of separation between Obama and Tony. Very clumsy. The lot wasn't developed, then a stink was raised and it was sold -- but who was it sold to? A business partner of Rezko's. Another phony layer of separation as the manure hit the fan. This whole deal stinks to high heaven. And paying one-sixth of the Rezko's purchase price for a one-sixth slice of the land is a joke. Obama's appraiser told him it wasn't worth that and it's clear the only reason Obama overpaid for the slice of land was because he stupidly thought that would keep people from questioning the deal. He was wrong. It pointed to how hinky the deal was.

Edited to fix spelling.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:37 PM
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18. Do YOU know developers who buy land for over twice its value?
Any of them still in business?
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:44 PM
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29. Rezko purchased the land at the full asking price --
-- and the story is that it was necessary to pay the full price because there was another offer on the land. I would LOVE to know WHO made that other offer, wouldn't you? Tony, maybe? You know -- just to boost that price up so the Dr. got the dough he wanted through the combined sales.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:34 PM
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14. The lot was worth about $240,000
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:35 PM by aquart
Full asking price was $625,000? And the wife of a man known as "a developer," as "being in the construction industry," paid MORE THAN TWICE WHAT THE LOT WAS WORTH? As a favor to a friend? WHO DOES THAT?

Obama himself had the lot valued a year later when he wanted to purchase one-sixth of it, 1500 sq. ft. His portion was evaluated as $40,500. So, YES, he did pay "above market" for it when he handed the Rezko's $105,000. But if you multiply $40,500 by 6, the value of the lot Mrs. Rezko paid $625,000 for was merely $243,000. She paid $382,000 MORE than the land was worth to oblige Barack Obama. Or is someone going to tell me land values in Chicago dropped by over 50% in a year?

I feel bereft. I don't have acquaintances who would do that for me.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:41 PM
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26. In fairness, you can't determine the value in that manner.
Because the section that remained in Rezko's hands was buildable, it was worth a lot more per foot than was the sliver Obama bought. But the deal is still stinky for the reasons I outline above. Obama overpaid for a reason, and that reason was not that he wanted to be "fair." He wanted to try to buy some insurance that nobody'd say he got a gift from a crook's wife.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:56 PM
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42. I would be happy to get a real estate evaluator's opinion on that.
But more than twice as much? And it was being added to a lot with a building. Actually, it had all been part of a single estate. Which leads me to other questions I have NOT seen answered.

"Full price." This is constantly used to describe Mrs. Rezko's purchase. Who set the price and how long was that price advertised? How was this verified?

Two lots. Was the decision to break the estate into two lots (which the seller insisted on selling on the same day?????)made before or after Obama became involved with the house?

The story I've seen is that Mrs. Rezko had to pay full price because there was another offer and, I think, Mrs. Rezko's offer would be preferred if it closed on the same day as Obama's. If closing on the same day mattered the most, why was the estate split at all?

I have a dirty, suspicious mind. I don't think a "buildable" lot was worth more than double per square foot what the add-on footage was. Maybe it was worth $82,000 more. Which leaves $300,000. The amount Obama was able to take off his bill.

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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. I have been through this with a property, so I know it's true.
I had a house on one lot, plus an additional two lots adjacent to it. I put the properties up at auction. The bids were taken two ways: one way was bidding on all three lots together, the other was bidding on the house lot and one of the others as a unit, and the third lot alone (this was done so a neighbor who had expressed interest in that single lot could have a shot at buying it). The bidding ended up showing that the value of the real estate was considerably higher with all three lots being sold as a unit rather than splitting off that third one and adding two sales together.

If you think about it, it makes sense. The amount of land Obama bought from Rezko was not much at all (ten feet?). That didn't harm the development potential of the bulk of the property, yet gave Obama the extra buffer zone he wanted from that other property.

I have all the same questions you have -- plus this: Wasn't the only access point to the Rezko property THROUGH Obama's property? I have read that but don't know how accurate it is. If accurate, that just indicates all the more that those properties were both, for all practical purposes, Obama's.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:35 PM
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16. NO, you cannot argue that he paid for part of his home. Jesus.
They bought two separate properties. The owner wanted to sell them both at once, but they were SEPARATE PROPERTIES. He didn't PAY for part of his home. WTF???
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:41 PM
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25. Right. Obama paid $300,000 LESS, Mrs. Rezko paid $382,000 MORE.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:41 PM by aquart
On the same day. To the same seller.

Why no one could look at those numbers and think anything dirty had occurred. Why is everyone but you so foolish?
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. Obama negotiated strictly with the dealer on the 300,000$
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:46 PM by Levgreee
It is EXTREMELY COMMON for houses to go for less than the asking price. The sellers had had the house up for months, and no one was buying it. Obama didn't get a special deal on the house, really.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. True, but...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:50 PM by LiberalHeart
How often does a seller split one property into two, offer both for sale, and tell the potential buyers that their individual purchases will not go through if both properties are not purchased -- and if the deals are not closed on the very same day? I have never heard of a real estate deal like that in my entire life -- till now. But this is the tale we've been given. Obama had a problem because he couldn't afford the adjacent lot AND the seller wouldn't deal unless both properties sold and closed at once. That's a pretty self-destructive seller, don't ya think? Unless, of course, he runs into a house buyer who just happens to have a developer in his pocket that he can call to come to the rescue.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. It wasn't one property, it was two properties.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Nope, not originally. It was split into two.
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:54 PM by LiberalHeart
And then the vacant lot was split yet again. The dr. who sold the two properties had owned both as one lot and split them when he put them up for sale.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. So it wasn't split for Obama, it was split before he looked at it
Correct?
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. Reports on that differ...
Some say it was split before Obama looked at the house. Other reports say Obama asked the seller to split the lot. If you look at the deal, I think it's very clear the seller did not really view the two properties as anything but a single unit. Otherwise, he wouldn't have insisted that the deals close on the same day. Sellers can't dictate terms like those to two separate buyers. They just can't.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #25
44. What do you know about real estate?
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #44
76. I know quite a lot about real estate. How about you?
Are you a broker, a Realtor, a developer, a real-estate attorney? Why do you assume that others would not know what is normal? I assume that the DU community includes many people who are experts (or nearly so) on almost any subject that comes up for discussion. I am regularly amazed by what "we" individually and collectively know. Now to the topic at hand.

I don't have enough information to draw a final conclusion, but everything I see describes a transaction between related parties. There is nothing illegal about such a transaction unless it were part of a large investigation such as corruption, fraud, or tax evasion. It might be legal, but reflect poor judgment or a lapse in ethics.

From the reports I have seen in the press, the "lot" is most of the yard of Obama's house, inside the fence. The strip Obama bought from Rezko is apparently the driveway.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #76
89. The question was not directed to you. I know personally the poster I was talking to.
And yes, I have done some work in real estate transactions myself.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Care to respond to my points from your professional perspective?
Just looking at the properties and the transactions in isolation, they seem "unusual" and would still pique my curiosity without my knowing the parties involved.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. I am not a RE professional. I have worked on the legal end of RE transactions - closings, not sales.
But I would not care to speculate because I'm not an expert and because I haven't seen any information about the lots. You are telling me there is a fence, I have not seen it. From what I've read no wrongdoing has been discovered regarding this deal by the Chicago press. If I want to buy a property that's being sold as a package with an adjacent property, what is wrong with going partners with a friend or family member on it? The two families were friends and had been for 15 years. Rezko enjoyed a good reputation in Chicago prior to 2005. It sounds to me like Obama stuck by his side a little longer than he should have. Maybe he should have thrown him under the bus the moment he was found to be in trouble. Sometimes that happens. Remember Susan McDougal?




http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-rezkojan23,0,3964061.story

Both men declined to comment on their once-close friendship. Obama has been accused of no wrongdoing involving Rezko and has insisted that he never used his office to benefit Rezko.

Thus far, there is little in the public record to suggest otherwise, and the few exceptions that have come to light appear minor. On Capitol Hill, Obama once gave a summer internship to the son of a Rezko business associate on Rezko's recommendation. Earlier, as a state senator, Obama was one of several South Side political and community leaders who wrote state and city officials urging approval of public funding for a senior housing project involving Rezko.

But when Rezko pushed for passage in Springfield of a major gambling measure, Obama vocally opposed it.

Obama publicly apologized for his 2005 property deal with Rezko, calling it "boneheaded" because Rezko was widely reported to be under grand jury investigation at the time. And Obama has given to charities $85,000 in Rezko-linked campaign contributions, including $40,035 last weekend following a published report suggesting that Rezko funneled a $10,000 donation to Obama through a business associate. Aides to Obama say the senator had no knowledge of any such scheme.

Clinton eager to make link

Still, the Clinton campaign, fearing an Obama triumph in the South Carolina primary this weekend, is ratcheting up its rhetoric against the Illinois senator, in the process hoping to bring new attention to his relationship with Rezko.

It's easy to forget today, but in the years before 2005, Rezko enjoyed a reputation in Illinois as an up-and-coming, even enlightened entrepreneur with a strong interest in the risky low-income and affordable housing markets that relied on tax credits and other government assistance.

He also was a reliable source of campaign cash for an array of politicians from both parties.

***

In 1991, after Obama became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, Rezko offered him a job. While Obama declined, the two began a friendship that deepened as Obama launched his political career and Rezko became a key fundraiser.

The two men and their wives used to socialize, meeting for dinner, Obama has said.



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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:38 PM
Response to Original message
22. What does the author mean by :
"as forgivable politically as the Clintons’ dealings with the McDougals?"

Bill had no dealings with the McDougals other than an ordinary real estate deal. And what proof does the author have that a donation to the Clinton library by Rich's "wife" (who was his ex-wife, not his wife)had anything to do with Rich's pardon?

Obama is innocent but that won't stop the GOP from running a witch hunt when they take the notion. That's how the right wing works.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. An ordinary real estate deal.
there you go. that's all this is. Oh, the IRONY that the Clintons would choose AN ORDINARY REAL ESTATE DEAL to try to trash Obama. I guess they learned from the best. They learned well.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #35
58. This was NO ordinary real esate deal. And Barack did benefit by his association with Rezko.
He admits it.He says he would not have been able to buy the house without him.That is abig favor. He had to have Rezko buy the land because the house and the land had to be closed on the samer day and as barack said, he wanted the house and couldn't afford it.Enter rezko who has his wife pay more than the land is worth while BaraCK PAYS LESS THAN ASKING PRICE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE REAL ESTATE BOOM? Sorry about the caps.Key stuck. But the point remains.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #35
66. Hillary didn't criticize the real estate deal or the donations
She did criticize Obama doing legal work for a slum lord. That's the only part of the Rezko business I have to wonder about. Obama was a state senator and I have a hard time believing he didn't know about all the public housing projects in his district that weren't providing heat and were closing down. I think Obama ought to explain this.

Hillary didn't even bring Rezko up until Obama came after her with nonsense about Walmart.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #66
71. He said his firm was employed by a church that was in a deal with Rezko
That's who he did the work for.
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. He also made it sound like his involvement with Rezco was 5 hours years ago. It was more than that
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #72
81. Hillary gave a specific charge, she got an factual and direct answer back
Don't blame Obama for the fact that Hillary tossed him what equals a soft ball even tho i dare bet she hadn't meant to
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:46 PM
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33. Yep, the Arkansas Morning News. Like gospel from Jesus himself.
Gasp. Automatically disqualifies him, I am sure.

The Rezco charges are the sorriest slime I have seen since the Clintons had to put up with the crap charges from the Republican Right against them (Whitewater).

At least it wasn't from their own party. Ugly stuff.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. Exactly
I'm so disgusted with them both.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. i am utterly shocked. an obama camper actually recognizing that the clintons
were slimed over whitewater.
don't me to be snarky but i am very pleansantly surprized. thank you.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:06 AM
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46. this should be easy to check out
A: We did not know him personally, though my wife worked in the same University hospital. The property was subdivided and two lots were separately listed when we first learned of it. We did not discuss the property with the owners; the sale was negotiated for us by our agent.

Wouldn't people be satisfied if it could be shown that these properties were separately listed? That should be easy to go back and reconstruct.

The only way I see this being a problem for Obama is if he lied about this statement. And it would be really stupid to lie about it (as well as wrong).

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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. Since no real estate agents involved in the deal will talk, it's hard to check.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #48
54. There WAS a real estate agent involved. She was interviewed on ABC. Barack and Rezko shared the same...
agent
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. Well, it was reported that they had different agents and neither would talk. So go figure.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #56
62. Nonsense.Go to NBC .Brian Williams has the interview. It was on DU.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 12:29 AM by saracat
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. Thanks. I'd like to read it. (See the Sun-Times quote in my other post for why I thought that)
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #62
65. Look at this...
Just look how bizarre this is (snippets from the NBC report where they interview the seller's agent):

MYERS: This is Senator Barack Obama's stately home in a pricy Chicago neighborhood. Inside the iron fence that surrounds his home is a vacant lot that lies at the heart of the controversy over Obama's relationship with his friend and campaign contributor Tony Rezko. When Obama bought the home in 2005, the seller insisted that the house and the lot be sold at the same time. But Obama says he couldn't afford the lot. Here's the Realtor for the seller talking about the Obamas.

DONNA SCHWAN (real estate agent): They were not interested in the lot at any point. It wasn't even on the table for them.

(snip)

MYERS: The Chicago Tribune and others have been investigating the deal for more than a year. And in endorsing Obama this week, the Tribune called on the candidate again to divulge all there is to know about his relationship with Rezko.

Critics say that in paying full price for the lot, Rezko may have essentially subsidized Obama's purchase, which Obama strongly disputes. The Realtor who represented the seller says Obama could not have bought the house unless someone bought the lot at the same time.

SCHWAN: It was a requirement of the listing that they close on the same day.

Sooo, here's what we're supposed to believe: Obama sees a house he wants, but he can't buy it -- per the terms of the listing -- unless someone also buys the other lot at the same time, yet Obama never showed any interest in the lot at any point. "It wasn't even on the table for them."

Right.

It wasn't on the table because he didn't need to buy it. He had a buyer lined up for it -- the one he went to for "advice" on how to make the deal happen. Obama needs to quit pretending this deal wasn't what it so clearly was.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:21 AM
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79. this is bothersome--but seems impossible to prove
I felt the same way about this--

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm

Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records the White House released yesterday.

The computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of trading, she made nearly $100,000, relying heavily on advice from her friend James B. Blair, an experienced futures trader.

The new records also raise the possibility that some of her profits -- as much as $40,000 – came from larger trades ordered by someone else and then shifted to her account, Leo Melamed, a former chairman of the Merc who reviewed the records for the White House, said in an interview. He said the discrepancies in Clinton's records also could have been caused by human error.

......................

A close examination of her individual trades underscores Blair's pivotal role. It also shows that Robert L. "Red" Bone, who ran the Springdale, Ark., office of Ray E. Friedman and Co. (Refco), allowed Clinton to initiate and maintain many trading positions – besides the first – when she did not have enough money in her account to cover them.


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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #54
61. From the Chicago Sun-Times....
"And let's not forget this is somebody who bought the piece of real estate adjoining Obama's home, then sold the senator part of it, in a strange transaction about which key details have never been disclosed -- owing in part to the curious refusal of the real estate agents and prior owners to discuss it."
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:13 AM
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49. Except Rezko WAS under federal investigation when Obama went to him for real estate advice.
and as it was frontpage news in Chicago, it is impossible Obama didn't know.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:15 AM
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50. Not sure, but I think the fed investigation was known when he bought the land from Rezko...
...but not when the house and lot were purchased by Obama and Rezko.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:20 AM
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53. Even so. Certainly gives the appearance of impropriety.
As does the $170,000 in donations from Rezco and associates that Barack originally denied getting.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:21 AM
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55. More than an appearance, IMHO.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. No kidding!
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:27 AM
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60. I'm 100% HRC
but this really isn't a story. every Governor, Congressman, Senator, and President have a dozen Rezko stories. I'd rather judge Obama on strength than weakness, on record instead of rumor.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:33 AM
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64. k&r
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:14 AM
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68. Actually this article points out how Obama DIDN'T do anything wrong
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:17 AM by zulchzulu
Any community college around the bend that offers a Real Estate training class will illustrate how the asking price for an expensive home is rarely ever met. So when the Obamas bid on a house with another family and paid less than the asking price, it's pretty much a yawner in terms of real estate transactions.

When Obama bought a 10 foot by 20 yard tract for $100,000, that was a fair price in that neighborhood. It's funny how some thought he bought the whole adjacent lot for $100,000 when it was bought for $650,000. Yep, facts get in the way of lies sometimes.

And with Obama returning the money that Rezko gave to him (like how he gave money to the Clintons) and working for 5 hours on incorporation papers in the early 1990's for one of Rezko's companies, you can see how the Attorney General Patrick Fiztgerald has already cited several times that Obama has done nothing wrong. That's right, sports fans... NOTHING WRONG.

If the Hillaryworld peeps want to talk about REAL corruption, let's talk about the Hsu family. That's just the appetizer...



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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. I guess that depends on your definition of wrong. I think it demostrates poor judgement and
questionable ethics
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:20 AM
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70. Thank you.
Tho there's no evidence he donated to the Clintons on opensecrets.org. He donated to Bush, Gore, Barbara Boxer and dozens of various pols. I'd like to know where that photo was taken and why. Honestly, if this is all they've got, Obama's in good shape. I just can't BELIEVE the Clintons, of all people, would attempt to use a Whitewater-type smear against Obama. They learned their lesson alright. They learned to play Scaife-politics against their opponents. That's very sad.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:41 AM
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73. How many of them did he have a real estate deal with?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:57 AM
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77. Bill's blessing of a dictator is for sale for $131M
His crony rakes in $3B when Bill flies in to seal the deal. Hillary taps Bill's secret donor list to bundle for her. And you are obsessing about Obama's LAWN.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4306591

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:14 AM
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83. That's not what happened n/t
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #68
87. He demonstrated his bad judgement and he is not always right on day one
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:09 AM
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80. k&r
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:19 AM
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82. That Obama will be right on day one ...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:20 AM by Maribelle
is merely a carefully crafted cliché in need of substance.

Even Bill Clinton needed an orientataion period before he could reach the needed level of organization and performance, before he started to become effective in the Bush-cleanup.

The clean up needed for Bush II makes what his big daddy did seem like a dusting. Our country needs more, our people need more, the world needs more.

Hillary will not need an orientation period. Obama will need as much as Bill Clinton did, and perhaps much more.

Truth seems to be slipping further from Obama with each passing day.

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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:17 AM
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84. Basically a gift, if not a bribe. K&R
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:58 AM
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86. This is a guy who is indicted for extortion, bribery and fraud.
How does it look to you.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:17 AM
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88. REZKO, the Clintons, and White Water
Is this the same Tony Rezko that was photographed between a smiling Bill and Hillary Clinton? The same Rezko that donated money to a top Clinton campaign official?

Just wondering.

I'm from Illinois. There is as much beef in the Rezko case as there was in the White Water scandal, which if memory serves me correctly, was exactly nothing.

Rezko is like many hanger arounds the political scene, he donated money to anyone that he felt might be able to benefit his business dealings. Democrats received his money, Republicans received his money. Our Democratic governor, our Republican President, Senator Obama and people around Senator Clinton.


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