If Oprah loves children so much how come she isn't backing the candidate who has actually

[Captain_Nemo]

done something for children?
1. Children's Health Insurance
2.Women's rights globally (which always helps children)
3. Is a feminist
4. and this from an article
"During the years that Hillary Clinton served as first lady, she became a symbol
of America's human face and the values we cherish as a people. In an unprecedented
role, she traveled to more than eighty countries to highlight the importance of
investing in people. She gave voice to those living on the margins of society, particularly
women and children, but also the poor. She put a spotlight on US development programs
that offered solutions to pressing problems like infectious diseases, illiteracy,
and economic marginalization. She advanced important causes -- from microcredit
to global health initiatives -- with an array of foreign leaders, international
organizations, and grass roots activists. And she also talked to Americans about
why these investments were critical to expanding our influence and enhancing our
own security."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lissa-muscatine-and-melan...

[MadBadger]

1. I find these posts disgusting.

Oprah's against the children now?

[Captain_Nemo]

5. I find these points asking the real questions.

[rodeodance]

60. Thanks for trying but most Obamababies are into blind-faith that is impossible to reason with.

[Captain_Nemo]

82. Thank you! Excellent.

[Captain_Nemo]

6. Maybe you should read this article. Stop listening to feelgood words and read about action

Subject: Why Hillary Clinton Will Restore America's Standing in the World

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lissa-muscatine-and-melan...
The Huffington Post

Lissa Muscatine and Melanne Verveer


Why Hillary Clinton Will Restore America's Standing in the World
Posted January 24, 2008 | 10:32 AM (EST)

Henri Barkey and Tara Sonenshine are right in observing in this space ("Global
View of Democrats") that the next US president will have the critical task
of raising America's credibility around the world from the depths to which it
has sunk.

The authors argue that Senator Obama is the best candidate to restore America's
standing and authority based on his "transformative personality, personal history
and appeal."

Here's why they are wrong.

While personal appeal and oratorical skill are certainly helpful in building diplomatic
ties and conveying goodwill, they aren't a substitute for strong relationships
and demonstrated leadership on the international stage. And as valuable as Senator
Obama's Kenyan roots and childhood in Indonesia are, these experiences are not,
in fact, indicators of diplomatic skill or the knowledge of global affairs needed
to navigate international relations in our treacherous world.

By contrast, Hillary Clinton has been practicing public diplomacy for years and
is widely respected around the world for her longtime commitment to international
development, human rights and America's global leadership.

During the years that Hillary Clinton served as first lady, she became a symbol
of America's human face and the values we cherish as a people. In an unprecedented
role, she traveled to more than eighty countries to highlight the importance of
investing in people. She gave voice to those living on the margins of society, particularly
women and children, but also the poor. She put a spotlight on US development programs
that offered solutions to pressing problems like infectious diseases, illiteracy,
and economic marginalization. She advanced important causes -- from microcredit
to global health initiatives -- with an array of foreign leaders, international
organizations, and grass roots activists. And she also talked to Americans about
why these investments were critical to expanding our influence and enhancing our
own security.

Hillary Clinton traveled to places no first lady had ever gone, and where presidents
can't go. Visits to some of the most troubled places around the world certainly
offered her a measure of exposure and acculturation that she would carry with her
to the presidency.

While her oratory may not be as soaring as Senator Obama's, her words helped
galvanize a global women's rights movement. Her now famous speech in Beijing
at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in 1995 -- which declared that "human
rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights" -- became
a call to action to millions of women who joined together in a common purpose -
the struggle for women's rights and human rights on a global scale.

Given her status as one of the world's most visible champions of these causes,
it's not surprising that thousands waited through the night to hear her speak
in the Philippines; that men and women stood ten deep along the streets in Mongolia
to salute her when she traveled there; that the residents of Soweto danced in the
streets awaiting her visit to their township.

Indeed, Hillary is today a familiar and beloved presence in many parts of the world.
A street in a housing project where she helped squatters in South Africa was named
after her. So was a clinic in Eritrea, a village in Bangladesh, and a school in
Romania. When she arrived in Nicaragua after a devastating hurricane had hit, women
held up a banner in Spanish that said: "Welcome to Hillary, the ambassador
to the poor."

Perhaps as relevant today is her stature in the Muslim world. Having traveled extensively
in the Middle East, North Africa, and Southeast Asia, she conducted vigorous outreach
to diverse religious groups and convened leaders of different faiths to work together
on religious tolerance and ways to combat extremism.

In 1999, a plaque was dedicated at the US Agency for International Development to
recognize Hillary's leadership on global issues.

It said, "May all who pass through these portals recognize the invaluable contributions
to worldwide development made by the First Lady of the US, Hillary Clinton."
The Bush Administration had the plaque removed. Plaque or not, her legacy around
the world endures in the hearts and minds of millions of people for whom she was
an embodiment of America at its very best. That is what Hillary Clinton would bring
to the presidency.


Web
Copyright © 2008 HuffingtonPost.com, Inc.

[THUNDER HANDS]

8. if experience mattered more than anything

we should all be supporting a Robert Byrd/Ted Kennedy ticket.

[neutron]

32. EXCELLENT POINT Ya'll be sure to Recommend this

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[WinkyDink]

83. And they're running?

[GalleryGod]

61. Nice Twist. Female with a male screen name. Anyway...

Don't you dare preach to me or any other supporters of Edwards or Obama..STFU & KMA.
Return to SLEAZE,INC HQ's ($132 Million to the Clinton Foundation !:wtf: )fom whence you came, Miss.




Mika reacts to Nemo's rationale

[rodeodance]

51. I find your post disgusting.

[GalleryGod]

56. "Capt"? Well, I'm a 2nd Lt. in the REAL World,Ret'd of course...

This (alleged )post is disgusting AND doesn't do Hillary any good whatsoever!
So..STFU,KMA, & call in the dogs and piss on the fire because it is OVER for
CLINTON, INC.:puke:



Here's your NEXT SEVENTEEN DAYS Folks!
I hear you're out of TV Money after Tuesday ?:nopity:

[TSIAS]

2. Good argument

I hear Hillary also loves Mom and apple pie.

[0007]

23. ......and drives a chevy or perhaps a hot rod ford.

[robbedvoter]

3. Let her be! Anyone is entitled to endorse whomever they please

(Moveon ain't "anyone" as it turned against its members)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. A lot of children have died in Iraq. nt

[IndianaGreen]

7. The Clintons are responsible for the deaths of half a million Iraqi children in the 1990s

and many more dead, wounded, and displaced in this criminal war that Hillary voted for.

[Name removed]

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[1corona4u]

20. Links please...

credible links that is.

[IndianaGreen]

27. Here is an article from FAIR

"We Think the Price Is Worth It"
Media uncurious about Iraq policy's effects- there or here

By Rahul Mahajan

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

But a Dow Jones search of mainstream news sources since September 11 turns up only one reference to the quote--in an op-ed in the Orange Country Register (9/16/01). This omission is striking, given the major role that Iraq sanctions play in the ideology of archenemy Osama bin Laden; his recruitment video features pictures of Iraqi babies wasting away from malnutrition and lack of medicine (New York Daily News, 9/28/01). The inference that Albright and the terrorists may have shared a common rationale--a belief that the deaths of thousands of innocents are a price worth paying to achieve one's political ends--does not seem to be one that can be made in U.S. mass media.

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions’ toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind (Extra!, 3-4/00).

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

[zulchzulu]

35. "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it."

Albright said that about bombing the bejesus out of Iraq and I'd bet that Hillary would agree with the same statement for her war votes.

The "worth it" part is her career.

:puke:

[IndianaGreen]

37. The Clintons were in cahoots with the PNAC neocons

Bombs, Ahoy...Iraq: From Clinton to Bush
By Joshua Frank

Counterpunch.org

September 25 / 6, 2004

As the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization reported a year earlier in 1995, as many as 576,000 Iraqi youth died as a result of United Nation sanctions that the US had imposed and supported since 1991. This conservative tally did not even include the over 90,000 annual hospital deaths that the World Health Organization estimated would have not happened had Clinton not compelled the UN to enforce harsh sanctions against the Iraqi people. Sadly, it seems the litmus test for U.S. presidential aspirants must include the will to brutalize Iraqis.

Then in 1998, Clinton retaliated for an East African U.S. Embassy bombing by firing 70 cruise missiles at a suspected bin Laden terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and heaving another 17 missiles at a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan. The plant was destroyed, and most likely was responsible for thousands of deaths.

Later that year when Clinton signed into law the Iraq Liberation Act -- drafted by the same hawkish neocons that helped thrust forth Bush's own Iraq policy including Republican staffer Randy Scheunemann, Donald Rumsfeld, former-CIA director R. James Woosley, and Ahmad Chalabi into law later that year -- the US outlined its ultimate objective for its involvement in Iraq. That is, extinguishing the life of Saddam Hussein and his government.

It was as if D.C. already had the champagne on ice; regime change was so close, Congress could almost taste the after-party. The House of Representatives overwhelmingly supported the legislation, with the Senate voting unanimously in favor of the bill.

When Clinton signed it into law in mid-October 1996, Republican Senator Trent Lott sang his praises: "The Clinton administration regularly calls for bipartisanship in foreign policy. I support them when I can. Today, we see a clear example of a policy that has the broadest possible bi-partisan support. I know the Administration understands the depth of our feeling on this issue. I think they are beginning to understand the strategic argument in favor of moving beyond containment to a policy of 'rollback.' Containment is not sustainable. Pressure to lift sanctions on Iraq is increasing -- despite Iraq's seven years of refusal to comply with the terms of the Gulf War cease-fire. Our interests in the Middle East cannot be protected with Saddam Hussein in power. Our legislation provides a roadmap to achieve our objective.

http://www.ccmep.org/2004_articles/iraq/092604_bombs_ahoyiraq.htm

[rodeodance]

57. ONCE MORE: Hillary is the candidate--put that into your little Obamababy brain.

[1corona4u]

42. So...because of the sanctions, it's the Clinton's fault...

and not Iraq's fault for not complying? Obviously, and unfortunantly, if you sanction a country, you can't cherry pick who it affects the most. I don't know the full story, and I'm really too tired to research it more, but they were being sanctioned, for a reason.

[zulchzulu]

33. Bingo!

That was the "peace and prosperity" part of the Clinton years.

[rodeodance]

54. Obamababies sure to broad paint.

[JVS]

73. But those children were politically expedient to kill!

[krabigirl]

9. Oprah loves herself...

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[Captain_Nemo]

13. I know what she has done. What has he done?

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[Schema Thing]

11. She's obviously a pathetic, horrible fraud

who hates children then.

[Captain_Nemo]

14. No, that is not the logical. All I am saying is that she has the track record on legislation and

action for women and children. He doesn't./

[sueh]

16. Read what Hillary's mentor, Marian Wright Edelman had to say in July 2007...

How Hillary Clinton Betrayed the Children's Defense Fund for Political Gain

BUZZFLASH EDITOR'S BLOG

Mark Karlin, Editor and Publisher, BuzzFlash.com

January 24, 2008


<Snip>
Among those who ardently and eloquently opposed the Clinton "welfare reform" bill was Marian Wright Edelman. Her husband, Peter Edelman, quit his high-level job at the Department of Health and Human Services in protest when Bill Clinton signed the bill. He was deeply upset about what the legislation would do to helpless children.

In a July 2007 interview with Amy Goodman, Marian Wright Edelman had this to say about the "welfare reform bill" and Hillary Clinton:

AMY GOODMAN: Marian Wright Edelman, we just heard Hillary Rodham Clinton. She used to be the head of the board of the Children’s Defense Fund, of the organization that you founded. But you were extremely critical of the Clintons. I mean, when President Clinton signed off on the, well, so-called welfare reform bill, you said, “His signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children.” So what are your hopes right now for these Democrats? And what are your thoughts about Hillary Rodham Clinton?

MARIAN WRIGHT EDELMAN: Well, you know, Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics. We have to build a constituency, and you don’t—and we profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so. We were for welfare reform, I am for welfare reform, but we need good jobs, we need adequate work incentives, we need minimum wage to be decent wage and livable wage, we need health care, we need transportation, we need to invest preventively in all of our children to prevent them ever having to be on welfare.

And yet, you know, many years after that, when many people are pronouncing welfare reform a great success, you know, we’ve got growing child poverty, we have more children in poverty and in extreme poverty over the last six years than we had earlier in the year. When an economy is down, and the real test of welfare reform is what happens to the poor when the economy is not booming. Well, the poor are suffering, the gap between rich and poor widening.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/034

I think when Hillary was young she really had the best of intentions. But when she became part of the "inner circle" of politics and board rooms she did too much compromising and looked the other way while children and families became pawns in the political battle of welfare "reform".

[Captain_Nemo]

24. I have read the interview. I don't agree with the Buzzflash opinion. And I think the bill was

Bill Clinton's signing - not Hillary.

[rodeodance]

53. ObamaWhinybabies think Bill's name is on the ticket.

[CTLawGuy]

64. go remind Hillary that her husband's name is not on the ticket

so she'll stop trying to borrow his accomplishments.

[rodeodance]

71. Green with envy

[CTLawGuy]

72. yes she is

because he got to be president, not she.

[rodeodance]

74. she is strong women. she can and will stand on her own. Enough said.

[GoldieAZ49]

75. that statement says it all

she "can" and "will" very clearly says she hasn't yet.

This is the problem with the dual canidacy of the Clintons, Hillary claims their history as her experience unless and until you point out the flaws in it, then they switch to the oh well that was Bill not Hillary.

All the while the Clintons have not released their records of communication that would show the facts of their record.

I don't buy the Bait n Switch campaign of the Clintons.

Who wants or needs this kind of presidency again? How is it any different than what we have now?

I will vote for ONE POTUS and hold that person accountable.

[rodeodance]

78. Thank you---

[GoldieAZ49]

79. your welcome

Obama is running on his own, not hiding behind anyone

[sandnsea]

17. Because that article is wrong

As I already pointed out. Kennedy did SCHIP. Kerry did Nurse Reinvestment Act. Leahy did the VA health care expansion. Hillary talks a lot and accompishes nothing.

[Captain_Nemo]

18. Prove it. Your post is complete BS.

[sandnsea]

31. here

http://blog.hcfama.org/?p=1030

http://kerry.senate.gov/text/congress/health.html

http://leahy.senate.gov/vermont/national%20guard/health%20care.html

[1corona4u]

21. And what did Obama do for SCHIP??

Oh, that's right. He missed that vote too.

[sandnsea]

28. Brought health care to thousands of IL children

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=01&year=2008&base_name=obama_and_health_care_in_illin

His vote wasn't necessary on last year's SCHIP bill.

[1corona4u]

39. What about the rest of the country?

Isn't it his job to vote, whether or not it's 'necessary'?

[sandnsea]

40. no n/t

[1corona4u]

43. Bullshit. That's what Illinois sent him there to do.

But then, he was probably so use to voting 'present', he just thought that would fly in the senate too.

[sandnsea]

45. No

They didn't send him to DC to worry about votes on bills that are decided. That's just a red herring used on the internet to bash presidential candidates. It's stupid.

[1corona4u]

46. You're in denial.

How pathetic.

[Madam Mossfern]

19. Has Obama come out against children?

Oh my!:eyes:

[Captain_Nemo]

22. I never said that. I said she has the track record.

[Madam Mossfern]

26. Sorry

Next time I'll use the sarcasm smilie.

[Kittycat]

29. And so does Obama.

KidCare in IL
Working with the AA community and poor
etc, etc...

Where did you get that he didn't? You should consider researching candidates before making sweeping judgements. Obama has done an incredible amount of work in our state.

[rucky]

50. And there's a hundred other ways you could've phrased it

without the negative implications.

[rodeodance]

55. And a very good one at that!! Obamababies like Rovian tactics of distraction and distortion

[cgrindley]

68. That's a stupid and obfuscatory argument

YOU: WHEN CHOOSING BETWEEN CANDIDATE X AND CANDIDATE Y REMEMBER THAT CANDIDATE X SUPPORTS CHILDREN

EVERYONE ELSE: SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT CANDIDATE Y DOESN'T SUPPORT CHILDREN

YOU: NO. I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT CANDIDATE X

are you utterly devoid of the intellectual ability to perceive the critical logical problem with your argument?

[Captain_Nemo]

85. Obama people seem to be so defensive. They can't seem to just have the conversation.

Why don't you just think about the question I posed instead of yelling.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. Apparently so.

Who knew?

Has anyone told his two little daughters? :scared:

[islandmkl]

34. track record? every member of Congress has a track record

when they need one. Thousands of bills, who knows how many and what purpose programs. If any politician, ANY POLITICIAN, did anything truly constructive and helpful and progressive in terms of making American, let alone the World, a better, more livable environment FOR ALL PEOPLE...you wouldn't have to find a goddam article by another fuckin' pundit extolling their accomplishments...you would know because the evidence would be EVIDENT. Spare us any claims by any politician and some lackeys...show us the proof. "Who you gonna believe, Me or YOUR EYES?"

[zulchzulu]

30. SCHIP was authored by Kennedy and Hatch...

...granted that Hillary wants to pad her resumé with stuff she was only on the sidelines on...

Does Hillary love the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi children and mothers that she sent to their death with her war votes? Is she proud of her husband's blood on his hands with killing many innocent Iraqis with the No-Fly Zone policies in Iraq in the 1990's?

[Thrill]

36. Why should she back someone whos judgement is as poor as Hillary's?

[suston96]

41. Oprah ? Judgement? Picking teachers for her school arrested for abusing children?

[Thrill]

44. Oprah isn't running for President

[suston96]

47. I judge candidates by the endorsers they collect.....nt

[Thrill]

48. You must feel good about that Ann Coulter one then

lol

[557188]

66. That is stupid

Think for yourself

[rodeodance]

58. and neither is Bill C. like so many obamacampers think.

[neutron]

38. Notice How the Hillary Hating Cable News Channels

have no Woman-Driven Shows in Primetime?
And the women they hire before firing them are generally selected for looks not brains.
CNN ousted Chung, then Zahn. MSNBC ousted Norville (who is actually very intelligent.
her last show exposed Utah polygomy with underaged girls), then hired that idiot Cosby,
then dumped her.

Only FOX NEWS hired an intelligent talent - Van Sustren. I dislike her now, but she is the
only woman in cable with an evening show.

What I'm getting at is there is a deep deep dislike of women in news studios on the
east coast. The bigotry goes through all areas of technical and creative.

And this bigotry goes from their pea brains out over the airwaves and into your livingroom.
But not in ours, we just dropped cable.
All you bastards who dissed HRC? YOU ARE FIRED!

[rucky]

49. Because Oprah actually hates children.

:eyes:

[suston96]

70. ....and she hates women, too...right, girlfriend?

[EffieBlack]

59. When are people going to get it through their heads that it's possible for someone else to support a

candidate other than the one they support for good reasons.

Obama and Clinton are both excellent candidates. There are valid reasons for Democrats to support either one. I am so sick of these posts that insist that if someone isn't supporting the poster's candidate candidate, they are somehow the anti-Christ - or, as you claim, anti-children.

This is politics. Politics is complicated. Most things in politics are not cut-and-dried and intelligent, decent, committed people can have different views about many things. It does not make one horrible and the other perfect. This "my candidate is SO much better than yours and the only way ANYONE could POSSIBLY prefer your candidate over mine is if they are 1) stupid; 2) evil; 3) hiding an ulterior motive; or 4) a tool of the MSM or the VRC, etc.

This black and white approach to politics is, in my view, childish. And it doesn't do your candidate any good. The candidates don't even behave that way - it's a shame their supporters insist on doing so.

[GalleryGod]

62. You're wasting your time,Effie...this will be a HELLACIOUS weekend on GD-P

So...brought some support...


Hillary's Campaign is OUT of TV AD $$$ on February 6th...
It'll be a free fire zone as Obama BLANKETS the airwaves...from D.C to Ohio and EARLY Pa.!
We got $32 million UNtouched.

[EffieBlack]

67. Gloating doesn't improve the situation.

[Captain_Nemo]

84. It's not a black and white approach. She has the track record, he doesn't . Even in the debate

on the questions on Iraq. She had the plan, the detailed answer. He didn't. He doesn't have the experience to deal with getting stuff through congress.

[zabet]

63. Just my 2 cents

She has built her image
on supporting women's and
children's rights and plights.
She even asked Hillary, when
Hillary presented Oprah an
award, that she hoped Hillary
would do us (American) the honor
of running for president in 2008.
Fast forward to present day, no
support from Oprah for Hillary.
A lot of people just assume she
is supporting Obama simply due to
race, all I can say is, it sure
looks that way.
She helped Bushco sell the
Iraq war to the American people..
no one should trust Oprah's political
judgement.

[cgrindley]

65. You're accusing Obama of not supporting rights for women? Are you insane?

He's a democrat. Of course he supports women's rights.

[Captain_Nemo]

81. Read the original post. I am not accusing him of anything. Logic, logic.

[MadHound]

69. Perhaps it is because Obama has also favorably addressed these issues also.

In addition he is, unlike Hillary, against NCLB and wants to support teachers and education issues.

[GoldieAZ49]

76. Oprah can support whoever she wants

She has done far more good for the world than Hillary has and she has spent her own money doing it.

[HonestyIsAVirtue]

77. Hillary is

responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children. Her vote for the authorization of force in Iraq has killed hundreds of thousands.

SHE HAS THE BLOOD OF INNOCENT CHILDREN ON HER HANDS. This is the person who you're defending.

[goldcanyonaz]

80. Oprah was a supporter of Clinton until Obama entered the race. She made this race about race.

Many black women in my community feel the same way. She sold us out, and we won't forget.

[Straight Shooter]

86. Oprah got all giggly with george w. bush, too. Gave him a big boost.

She thought Arnie the groper was hunky-dory, too, because of Maria. Expedient morals.

Anyone who doesn't believe that Oprah doesn't have an enormous impact on voters needs to step back and take a look at the big picture of how the media and its icon creates candidates.

Maybe my memory is wrong, but I thought Oprah said after the last big rally for Barack that she wouldn't overtly campaign for him. Why hasn't she had Hillary on her show? Or has she? I haven't watched Oprah in years.

[LeftyMom]

87. Oprah is not your fairy godmother.

It is not her job to draw attention to your pet issue nor to endorse your preferred candidate. Her job is to be interesting enough that her show can sell advertising. That's it.

She has a TV show- this does not mean that she is special or wise, nor that you as a stranger should take her advice.

You don't know her from Eve.