Did Hillary vote for the IWR because:

[sidwill]

A. She was tricked by that master criminal Bush.

B. She checked the political winds and bent like a reed to accomodate them to avoid being called "Soft on Terror"

[neutron]

1. you keep trying to bury the fact that

Obama's Health Plan and Economic Plan smell to the heavens.

[neutron]

2. You claim to be for Change

But all you dwell on is Past.
Because your candidates plans for the future are second rate.

[sidwill]

6. Another response that avoids the question

Man start a different thread if you wanna change the subject.

Now, Tricked or CYA?

[Zueda]

7. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,"

[rodeodance]

11. AH YES that must be why obamacampers want to take us back to the Reagan era.

[sidwill]

13. Still no response?

Yo haven't picked yet.

Do you believe she was tricked by Bush or was simply doing a little political CYA?

Come on, don't be shy.

[rodeodance]

15. I tire of that question--as I can reason with the blind-faith crowd.

[sidwill]

20. What is that supposed to mean?

To bad you can't also come to grips with Hillary's IWR vote.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

17. THIRTY NINE DEAD SOLDIERS THIS MONTH

You were saying something about "dwelling on the past"?

(On edit: Apologies to sidwill for continuing the hijack of this thread)

[sidwill]

4. Hey I have an idea

Instead of threadjacking why not start your own thread about the economy and healthcare.

But before you leave can you weigh in on the question I posed?

Did Hillary get tricked by Bush (snicker)?

Or did she vote for political expediency?

She says she was tricked, do you beieve her?

[thunder rising]

3. c: She was Naive as Wolfie suggested?

D: Politically expedient (got cheap votes and only killed 4K GI so far)

[FogerRox]

5. I dunno, but 126 dems in the house voted against the IWR

[IndianaGreen]

8. The Clintons shared PNAC's goal of invading Iraq.

As the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization reported a year earlier in 1995, as many as 576,000 Iraqi youth died as a result of United Nation sanctions that the US had imposed and supported since 1991. This conservative tally did not even include the over 90,000 annual hospital deaths that the World Health Organization estimated would have not happened had Clinton not compelled the UN to enforce harsh sanctions against the Iraqi people. Sadly, it seems the litmus test for U.S. presidential aspirants must include the will to brutalize Iraqis.

Then in 1998, Clinton retaliated for an East African U.S. Embassy bombing by firing 70 cruise missiles at a suspected bin Laden terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and heaving another 17 missiles at a pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan. The plant was destroyed, and most likely was responsible for thousands of deaths.

Later that year when Clinton signed into law the Iraq Liberation Act -- drafted by the same hawkish neocons that helped thrust forth Bush's own Iraq policy including Republican staffer Randy Scheunemann, Donald Rumsfeld, former-CIA director R. James Woosley, and Ahmad Chalabi into law later that year -- the US outlined its ultimate objective for its involvement in Iraq. That is, extinguishing the life of Saddam Hussein and his government.

It was as if D.C. already had the champagne on ice; regime change was so close, Congress could almost taste the after-party. The House of Representatives overwhelmingly supported the legislation, with the Senate voting unanimously in favor of the bill.

When Clinton signed it into law in mid-October 1996, Republican Senator Trent Lott sang his praises: "The Clinton administration regularly calls for bipartisanship in foreign policy. I support them when I can. Today, we see a clear example of a policy that has the broadest possible bi-partisan support. I know the Administration understands the depth of our feeling on this issue. I think they are beginning to understand the strategic argument in favor of moving beyond containment to a policy of 'rollback.' Containment is not sustainable. Pressure to lift sanctions on Iraq is increasing -- despite Iraq's seven years of refusal to comply with the terms of the Gulf War cease-fire. Our interests in the Middle East cannot be protected with Saddam Hussein in power. Our legislation provides a roadmap to achieve our objective.

http://www.ccmep.org/2004_articles/iraq/092604_bombs_ahoyiraq.htm

[sidwill]

9. I think, given Hillary's own answer to the question

That it would be safe to say that:

Hillary was outsmarted by George W. BUsh.

This guy:

[girl gone mad]

18. No one wants to hear that,

but her connection to AIPAC and PNAC certainly must have clouded her judgment. There was so much scandalous activity going on at the time.

More than this, though, I think Clinton believed that she would be a beneficiary of the patriotic rallying behind the troops and Bush, and a 2004 Bush victory would set her up perfectly for 2008.

[Donna Zen]

10. Add "C"

C. She agreed with bush.

What you need to look at are her advisers at that time and to this very day. Lee Feinstein (touted as her pick for NSA) believes that bush's preemptive policy didn't go far enough. Holbrooke, her top adviser, was all over the tube promoting the invasion of Iraq. And today her go-to military guy is none other than Gen. Jack Keane the author of the serge. Of course Michael O'Hanlon is listed as a foreign policy adviser.

Now really, with picks like these, who believes the spin?

Hillary Clinton talks tough because she is a hawk. No matter how spectacularly wrong they were, she hasn't dumped one of them. Well, the Clintons supported the Contra War so why should we be surprised?

[sidwill]

12. I disagree

I believe she knew better, she had to be aware not only of the conflicting reports but also of Bush's single minded drive for war.

Rember, Bush had already massed over a 125K troops in Kuwait at the time the IWR resolution passed, we all knew the writing was on the wall and she didn't?

No way, she voted for political expediency and now she tells us that George Alfred E Neuman Bush tricked her?

Get the fugouttahear.

[Donna Zen]

21. Of course she did know

...that bush was going to war. What I said was that she agreed with him. It was the "Clean the Swamp" version of foreign policy. Her advisers definitely agreed with that idea, and while her speeches include wiggle words, they don't disavowal the notion.

Aside from the obvious troop build-up, the Iraq Reconstruction Group was openly meeting in Washington and actually wrote a new Constitution for Iraq.

Now here's something: I saw Steve Clemens this past summer. He said that during that time, he was receiving calls from bush-people, the ones selling the war on TV, telling him that they didn't think the war would work. Geesh, the whole damn lot of them are crazy.

[LVjinx]

14. Sounds like the age-old question

"Why do you beat your wife?" A) she deserves it, B) she likes it. How about a C) I would never beat my wife!

Your question is impossible to answer, because the only responses you offer are not only poor, but leading. Are you sure there's not a C, D, or even an E that should have been included?

[Bright Eyes]

16. "This Modern World" does it again!

[ErnestoG]

19. I would say both. And that very well disqualifies her as a viable candidate for the WH