"Maybe they've seen the light" famous last words of Deanies in 2004

[robbedvoter]

Famous last words of Dean supporters on why MSM loved them so much - up to beginning of December 2004.
Obama supportrs answered similarly this year
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4263047

Some recent history might shed some light on what' going on now:
In 2004, they first zoomed on Dean - who for a few months enjoyed a tiny fraction of the Obama lovefest going on now. "maybe they've seen the light" Deanies said when asked "how come? MSM loves you so much?
But by mid Decemmer, In Al Franken's living room already met to crown something else (it was a coronation - not a trial - because - think - who got so many of them in there and why? And why wouldn't us the voters be the judges of Kerry? And the other candidates? Did they all visit Clark too? dean? Edwards? DK? Sharpton? Mosley Brown? How come these people didn't have a "trial"?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml
Look who they were:

Al Franken and his wife Franni;
Rick Hertzberg, senior editor for the New Yorker;
David Remnick, editor for the New Yorker;
Jim Kelly, managing editor for Time Magazine;
Howard Fineman, chief political correspondent for Newsweek;
Jeff Greenfield, senior correspondent and analyst for CNN;
Frank Rich, columnist for the New York Times;
Eric Alterman, author and columnist for MSNBC and the Nation;
Art Spiegelman, Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist/author of �Maus�;
Richard Cohen, columnist for the Washington Post;
Fred Kaplan, columnist for Slate;
Jacob Weisberg, editor of Slate and author;
Jonathan Alter, senior editor and columnist for Newsweek;
Philip Gourevitch, columnist for the New Yorker;
Calvin Trillin, freelance writer and author;
Edward Jay Epstein, investigative reporter and author;
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., who needs no introduction.

And once they designated Kerry - before any voter got to weigh in, negative coverage of Dean started: his Vermont records, the Canadian comments on Bush, spat with press on MLK Day - culminating with the scream. With Kerry getting only good press. Until of course the nomination was secured. Right after Super Tuesday, they turned on him viciously
Just refreshing memories for those who thought "maybe they've seen the light" this time, on Obama
When MSM interferes in Dem primaries, it's NOT because they like any of our candidates. It's not that they want their chosen to actually win the election. They don't want us to chose our strongest. They are picking the designated loser. To theirs.

[Edgeoforever]

1. Wow! Look at all them crickets...Or maybe it's : "No comment"

[robbedvoter]

5. Or..."Present"?

[mdmc]

2. I remember those days

I think Ron Paul has all the action this year.
Dean came out against the war before it became unpopular.

[robbedvoter]

3. You think Ron Paul has more media coverage, more positive than Obama???

This Harvard study begs to differ (as do my lying eyes)



Obama: 47% positive, 16% negative.
Clinton: 27% positive, 38% negative.
McCain: 12% positive, 48% negative
Giuliani: 28% positive, 37% negative
JEDNE

Net numbers

Obama +31
Giuliani -9
Clinton -11
McCain -36

http://journalism.about.com/b/2007/10/30/is-the-full-story-being-told-on-campaign-2008.htm

[libbygurl]

4. Those sound about right to me re relenetless anti-HRC media slant. nt

[robbedvoter]

6. And I didn't even bring in our media slant:

[mdmc]

15. No, I think that Ron Paul has folks out in the stree like Dean did

Obama actually got some folks out in the street today in Newburgh, NY.

[Edgeoforever]

9. They tried to kick him out of debates too .

[CRH]

7. Thank you for replaying this little part of history, ...

I am surprised at how few realized at the time or in retrospect, just what happened when in just one month the Dean campaign was savaged by the media. That was power brokers behind the scenes, insuring populism would once again, fall short.

I'll bet one in ten Clinton or Obama supporters, were then or are now, aware of this episode.

When the media suddenly decides to shift their sights in either a positive or negative light, they can focus or refocus the debate, they can allow the transgressions of one candidate slide while crucifying the other, they can put unflattering pictures of one candidate on the screen over and over. The media is aware they can control the public perception, by what they present, and there is no oversight to protect against distortion or changing or controlling the message.

It has left me wondering who is more powerful, the power brokers inside the party, or the power brokers inside the media?

Consolidation of the media into fewer and fewer viewpoints, and controlling the public airwaves, is a king maker ability for the money behind the media.

One thing is sure, populism is dead.

It will be interesting to watch the circus in the general.

[robbedvoter]

8. It was quite dramatic in Dean's case. Possibly it will in Obama as well - depending

on the results. If he loses, he'll just be forgotten. If he wins - it'll be the most dramatic 180 you even saw in the history of elections.

[CRH]

10. I have one of those suspicious minds, ...

I've seen too much corruption and skulduggery in politics over the years not to be a cynic.

There is a part of me everyday that wonders if devious minds are testing the US society. Will the society be found to be closet racists, or closet chauvinists, if allowed the chance to choose between an angry white man and either a woman or a black man? Is it a built in percentage factor being used to even the tables in an election that would normally see the Republican party experience across the board defeat?

For the corporations nothing much will change, for the people the tax burden might be slightly altered.

So put your feet up, be sure to have some popcorn on one side, some bananas on the other, and watch the show. Nothing you or I will do, will ever make a difference, if that were possible there would be another meeting in Al Frankin's apartment.

[robbedvoter]

12. Rovian method: attack their strength. Ours is diversity - hence media pitting

gender against race. It's a win-win.
Whomever is left standing after Tuesday will get it.
The difference is - one candidate knows it and is ready for it, the other thinks they..well, really, really love him.

[robbedvoter]

11. Another "They've seen the light" - they surrendered thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4348096&mesg_id=4348096
"
Am I so glad we have defeated the Corporatist right juggernaut.

After all these years of coordinated funded dirty tricks against us, they have finally decided to give up.

Notice that there is no current campaign of collusive corruption coming from the right. They are standing back to not interfere with our primaries to guarantee a fair process, because they respect our institutions more than they need to retain power.

[CRH]

13. Yeah no more dirty tricks, ...

I think they might have found God.

Now in the real world, the link to the other thread is a perfect example of how naive many of the people on this board are. Just where do they determine that Obama, is not backed by and beholden to, corporate power.

Perhaps they can explain, just how any of his positions differ from the DLC and the Clintons. His Senate votes sure don't show a difference, and some of his verbal positions are actually right of Hillary.

But hell, why confuse the issue with these realizations, when you can baffle the many with platitudes of nothing?

And, the more quiet and restive the republicans appear, the more I feel the sucker punch is being readied. Rove has too much time to himself not to be scheming, and he has never before resisted a dip through the muck. For Rove muck and schmuck rhyme for a reason.

[robbedvoter]

14. Or why were progressive candidates marginalized, Hillary attacked

In Obamaworld, fair+ my candidate has preferential treatment



Obama: 47% positive, 16% negative.
Clinton: 27% positive, 38% negative.
McCain: 12% positive, 48% negative
Giuliani: 28% positive, 37% negative
JDNE

Net numbers

Obama +31
Giuliani -9
Clinton -11
McCain -36

[robbedvoter]

16. Adding the survey thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4263047