LATimes:Clinton would be a competent executive, but...

[elizm]

Clinton would be a valuable and competent executive, but Obama matches her in substance and adds something that the nation has been missing far too long -- a sense of aspiration.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-dem3feb02,0,3530861.story

[polichick]

1. Exactly...

YES, WE CAN!

[TwilightGardener]

2. "Matches her in substance"---FINALLY that stupid "where's the beef" meme

is put to rest. Thanks, LA Times!

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. he is an empty suit with lots of nice words

I don't find him inspiring. Of course actions inspire me, and his actions have been designed to be what is best for his political career.

[hisownpetard]

6. An 'empty suit'? I suggest you read his curriculum vitae.

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. read it.

And I read his book. And I looked at the issues. And I saw what he DID NOT DO for Illinois. And I saw what he DID NOT DO since coming to the Senate. He is all talk and no action.

And, conversely, I have watched Clinton's career and her actions.

She is the better candidate.

[hisownpetard]

12. She may very well be. However, that doesn't excuse you for labeling the speech Obama gave in 2002,

(advocating caution and saying that we should not allow Bush to take this country into war)
as 'infamous."

That argument really makes you look foolish, because the inevitable retort will be that
voting *for* the war is just a tad more infamous. Ya know?

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. I disagree with you. People want a saviour. And they have given Obama that title

and he has not deserved it. He gave a speech and then immediatly backed away from it.

And, of course we all know what he would have done HAD he been in the Senate--we only have to look to his actions instead of his words. His actions were to fund the war

His actions were to distance himself from his speech, until the American tide changed. He is slick and ever changing depending on the political wind.

And foolish: is to buy the perrty words he speaks without looking at his actions. Foolish is to avoid seeing that he has a history of not voting so he can later claim anything he wants in the state Senate as well as Congress.

Ya know?

[hisownpetard]

15. The people who want a savior are mostly Republicans.

Most Democrats, I think, just want someone who's going to level with us.
And I think the reason for the groundswell around Obama is that people sense and hope that
he'll be transparent. This is empowering and exciting to many people, after starting at the brick wall
that is Bush&Co.

Whichever candidate becomes our nominee, I will fully support.

[CatnHat]

17. When I need inspiration

I go to church. This is getting "old" fast. One thing for certain,if the republicans like him, something is wrong. One more thing--didn't people learn a lesson with Bush. Didn't Bush run on "unity", "nice guy" approach. Can our country really afford another leader who won on "likability"; look where it got our country. Nuff said.

[hisownpetard]

18. Big difference: Bush lied. I believe Obama is telling the truth.

Also, you say that when you want inspiration, you go to church.
That's fine: but is church the only place from which you draw inspiration? What about nature (think: sunsets)? Or heroes amongst us?
What about acts of courage and acts of kindness? Poetry? Art?

The sources from which we can draw inspiration are limitless, if you don't impose limits
on yourself.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. I have seen Obama in action. He complained of negative

campaigning while calling Clinton a racist. Sorry, that is unforgivable.

[hisownpetard]

21. Link? He never called her a racist. You're putting words in his mouth.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. where have you been?

Did you miss the surrogotes on TV repeating the Obama talking points?
Did you miss the press release that he sent with all the reasons they think Clinton is racist?
did you miss the whole SC brewhaha?

[hisownpetard]

23. First of all, the word is "brouhaha," unless you're talking less of a commotion and more about beer.

Secondly, please provide a link, any link at all, that quotes Obama as using the word "racist," as you claim he has said.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. nice straw man...dude

have some more brewhaha and take a nap.

[hisownpetard]

25. Where's the link to support your "racist" charge?

No?
That's what I thought.

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. I am not going to argue with a guy who is pretending not to know

recent history. I cannot believe you are actually suggesting that you have not heard the stuff that happened the last few weeks, remember? When Obama solidified the black SC voting block by yelling "racism" from the rooftops? Remember? When they suggested that the MLK comment was racist. Remember when they suggested the Fairy tale commment was racist?

Remember?

[hisownpetard]

27. You said, "He complained of negative campaigning while calling Clinton a racist."

I'm saying, he never called her a racist.
I've asked you to substantiate your remark, and you obviously can't.

If you cannot understand that simple exchange, there's no point in further discussion.

P.S. I'm not a 'guy.' You got that wrong, too.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. The times fired all it's best people to save costs & it's beginning to show.

[TwilightGardener]

7. Them grapes is tasting sour, eh?

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. Has Obama ever actually tried to "reach across the aisle" before?

Or is it all theory at this point?

[TwilightGardener]

10. Many times: in the state Senate, and in the US Senate with Coburn, Lugar, and Hagel and McCain--

he cosponsored/cowrote legislation with all of them.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. With that list & pretty much call it theory.

[Straight Shooter]

5. Wasn't there a brouhaha recently regarding LA Times for trending Republican in its attitude?

And, lookee here, another endorsement for Barack with an endorsement for McCain. All these newspapers who endorse McCain seem to endorse Barack. Gosh, I wonder why they could show such poor judgment in choosing McCain, but such excellent judgment in choosing Barack. :sarcasm:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/?track=mainnav-editorials

[jasmine621]

14. Sorry, but he does not match her in substance. They just don't like Hillary.

Get over it folks. Hillary's haters are very vocal and well-heeled. But the voice of the common ordinary working men and women is much more powerful. I'm not talking about the politically unwashed, idealistic college kids who can't be blamed for the hope and promise that youth brings with it. I'm talking about the folks who have walked the walk, not just talked the talk.

[annie1]

19. He doesn't come close.

[Kahuna]

16. K&R nt