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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:51 PM
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If John Edwards wanted you to vote for him on Feb 5th he would not have dropped out...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:03 PM by wheresthemind
As a former Edwards guy I have nothing but empathy for those saddened by his dropping out, but this stuff about voting for him anyways is really troubling. You should vote for someone who is still running for President. If Edwards still wanted your vote he would not have dropped out.

On "suspending" his campaign:

"As expected, Edwards said he was suspending his campaign rather than ending it, but aides said that was simply legal terminology so that he can continue to receive federal matching funds for his campaign donations."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22913001/
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:53 PM
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1. I've noticed in a lot of polls, people are still voting for him
its being registered as vote for someone else, and its about 10%
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:54 PM
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2. Troubling for who? Your candidate? Screw them. Our voice needs to be heard and
John has "suspended' his campaign, not withdrawn.He is on the ballot and many of us have voted for him and others are going to.How dare you question our right to vote for whom we choose?Democracy seems to "trouble" you.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Your voice won't be heard if your
least favorite candidate wins.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:57 PM
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6. I have no "least favorite".I don't care which wins.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:01 PM
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65. i have no least favorite..i had only one candidate..period...i can't stand to look at the other two!
i know they are both crooks. What's to see or hear?

nothing for me.

my principles and values are not for sale..even to the ipod kids!!

fly
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:00 PM
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7. on "suspending"
"As expected, Edwards said he was suspending his campaign rather than ending it, but aides said that was simply legal terminology so that he can continue to receive federal matching funds for his campaign donations."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22913001/
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. So what?We don't even have to "suspend" our efforts.The point is
we still have a legal vote for John on the ballot and he can get delgates.
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:05 PM
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16. I never said you CAN'T vote for him
You are obviously free to whatever you want. My only point is that if he had WANTED you too he would not have ended his campaign.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:13 PM
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22. So why did he have RI put him back on the ballot? Oh yes just for the may campaign workerds in RI!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:17 PM
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24. You really think that means he's re-entered the race?
And as I recall, he didn't have his name put back on the ballot - he withdrew a request to have it removed.

Maybe it wasn't worth the effort or expense to remove it?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:56 PM
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34. No . I never said he "reentered anything.I said his name is still ont the ballot"
For wahtever reason.It matter not to me. I just say people can vote for him and he might accrue more delgates.This is all.He isn't going to "win".I just want to get him some more delegates.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. He wasn't polling above 15% BEFORE he dropped out...
so I don't see how he improves his standing AFTER dropping out.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. Doesn't have to. and yes he was polling above that in many states.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #43
50. actually it looked like he would win Tennessee..and possibly OKLA...
he was forced out..and only a fool doesn't see that!..or doesn'r WANT TO SEE that.

fly
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #50
69. How was he forced out?
And would you WANT a President who could so easily be forced out of a race without a fight?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #35
64. how would you know ..the media dropped him off many of the polls deliberately!! eom
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #16
48. But that is your opinion. And besides. if you think this campaign is just about John, you don't get
the point.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #7
32. ahhh wrong ..no matter what he gets the matching funds..nice try though!!
go look up McCain 2000 he suspended..

Bradley did not and he still got matching funds..

nice game you are playing though!!

fly
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:03 PM
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12. Troubling for who? Your candidate?
No for you Edwards voters actually.

Suppose you vote for Edwards on the 5th, and he obtains even more delegates?

Great, right?

But what if you (finally) come around to supporting another candidate for the nomination in a still tight race, and after the 5th Edwards endorses the other candidate and gives his delegates to that person, the one candidate you dont want to be the nominee?

You not only wasted a direct vote for someone who's still running, but your vote may end up giving a delegate to the candidate you ultimately dont want to win.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
21. Don't want either candidate. So Edwards can do what he wants with his delegates.
Still voting for him in the primary. And won't be swayed too do otherwise by anyone here.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Its your vote
Let your conscience be your guide.
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #12
70. The only way we'd come around is if they actually said something
Maybe they should start talking about Issue that affect us. Haven't heard anything new brought up since John suspended his campaign. Just rehashing all the issues John brought up. Maybe he's waiting (as are we) to hear someone take a stand.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #2
73. You people somehow manage to combine irrelevancy with irritation
it's uncanny. go ahead. vote for the god damn tooth fairy if you want. it's your wasted vote.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:56 PM
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4. He didn't "drop out." He "suspended" his campaign. Look it up.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 12:57 PM by ClassWarrior
He was very specific about using that word. He's still holding onto his delegates till the convention. And if I can help him add to the total, I'm glad to do so.

NGU.


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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. okay I did
It is not because he still wants you to vote for him. Again if he DID he would not have ended his campaign.



"As expected, Edwards said he was suspending his campaign rather than ending it, but aides said that was simply legal terminology so that he can continue to receive federal matching funds for his campaign donations."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22913001/
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:05 PM
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14. So what? We can still cast a legal vote and get delegates.Has he said he "doesn't " want them?
Has he released any of his delegates? It is not up to anyone else to make that decison.I say get him more delegates and I am sick and tired of being told who people should vote for.I am continuing to help accrue more delegates for Edwards and I reallty don't care which candidate it hurts.
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. No one here is telling you who to vote for...
Just to vote for someone who is actually seeking the presidency.

Why else would he have dropped out and not endorsed before Super Tuesday if he did not want you to cast your vote for someone else?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:12 PM
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20. You don't have an inquiring mind do you? It is obvious that he was "pushed".
The details are all over the place if you only look and he alluded to them.He was pushed "aside to "make history".There is a lot more to this but hey keep dreaming.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #18
36. Because he was "forced out " for the dog and pony show?
Anyone with an inquiring mind could see that.Even his campaign didn't know.He didn't know.He campigned on Teuesday. Give it a rest.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
41. Yes. Edwards placed calls to his super delegates releasing them
Several of them has since announced their move to Obama. He called the ATU and it was only after that conversation that ATU endorsed Obama.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:21 PM
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44. ATU are NOT superdelegates.And superdelegates do NOT have to be released. They are free agents.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #41
52. show me where it says he released them..come on where did you get that info?
he didn't have to release a Union..he did not have to do jack shit..they can endorse or unendorse...any time they want..so ..you said he released his super delegates..where did you find that or see that..

they are not bound you know that don't you?? not at this point where no candidate is the nominee..

so come on prove what you wrote.

fly
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. I'm sure that's part of it. But he hasn't endorsed yet.
So I'm not so sure that's all of it.

NGU.


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
19. so Karmack..why did Edwards yesterday ask Rhode Island to keep him on the ballot????????


This tells me he wants us to VOTE!!

so vote we will.

Spread the word to every state in the Feb 5 primaries.

Vote for John Edwards.





Edwards Wants To Remain On R.I. Ballot

Friday, Feb 01, 2008 - 12:31 PM
The order of names on Rhode Island's presidential primary ballot will be determined Friday.

Secretary of State Ralph Mollis is scheduled to hold a lottery at 5 p.m.

Mollis' office said the Democratic candidates are expected to be Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

John Edwards dropped out of the Democratic race this week and initially, his campaign asked the secretary of state to remove his name. But NBC 10 has learned that Edwards' campaign has since asked for Edwards' name to remain on the ballot.




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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:57 PM
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5. I had already mailed my vote for him before he dropped out.
However, if I hadn't I wouldn't have voted in the primary. That's how ambivalent I am about Clinton and Obama. As far as I'm concerned they are two sides of the same coin. Both bring positives and negatives in equal but dissimilar doses. So whoever lands on the ballot in November gets my vote but I won't vote for the lesser of again except in November.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:01 PM
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8. It's a free country
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:02 PM
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11. He didn't endorse, he suspended the campaign
He didn't say "Don't vote for me, vote for one of the other guys."

And frankly, I think it's suspicious that he suddenly dropped out. Why on earth, after all that work did he not stay in. And he suddenly dropped out right before the all important L.A. debate and Super Tuesday. What kind of reasoning could possibly explain why he didn't give it a go and see what would come of it? It wasn't in his character or at all logical to quit days before the biggest vote in American history, especially after having put so much time and energy to get to that point.

He's got my vote.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:04 PM
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13. he didn't drop out ..he suspended his campaign..I spoke today to a top attorney in the country
who worked with his campaign and most laywers in the country are going to still vote for John..if it is good enough for them, it is good enough for me!!

so take your little opinion and go play with yourself...

some of us are not swayed by the media strong arming..and most of us supported Edwards because the other two repulsed us..for me the choice was vote for him or don't vote.

so stuff it..if i want to vote for a card board cut out of a candidate with the blank space on a ballot ..that is my choice.

go play somewhere else..

these two are parroting Edwards Platform..thanks but no thanks..i will stick with authentic principles!

fly
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:07 PM
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17. Thanks Fly and notice how some on DU are now lying about Obama and crediting him with
Edwards platform.They now say he is anti corportratist and for universal healthcare.Give me a break!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. the two frauds have both stolen Edwards platform..like i said i go for authentic..fuck the two
plagiarists..and phony fucks.

no thanks..its Edwards for me or no one.

I will not vote for the New world order boys..

Edwards was forced out..you would have to be a damn fool to not know that.

he was strong armed out..so the frauds could have a theater event they called a debate.

personally my values and principles are not for sale..and they can not be conned by anyone's bullshit to try..

i will just say..move along..i know to much to play these dumb ass-ed games..

there are paid people being sent here to try to coerce people out of their vote..Edwards people are too smart for that..these Obama people need to go back to the ipod kids..only they can be swayed by the bullshit and lies.

fly
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
25. you give me strength. n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. ahhh shucks!!...i just tell the truth..thats all folks..don't tell me it is not going to rain when
it is coming down in buckets...

it could be snowing and below zero and the Obama kids will stand there in a bikini..and tell you it's warm..with their ipods in their ears!!

fly
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:26 PM
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27. Its the primaries for kryse sakes, vote for your FIRST choice . . .
if he in on the ballot. I could understand all this worry about voting for a person whose has "suspended" his campaign if we were talking about an election rather than a primary. Otherwise I don't agree at all. Vote Edwards if that is truly your first choice for Democratic party nominee.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. absolutely..in a primary vote your heart..period!! don't let anyone tell you different!! eom
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:26 PM
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28. OK so I have another theory.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:27 PM by Tatiana
My theory is that Edwards really wants to do what's right for the party. And he didn't want to seem like a "spoiler" who was going to hold the candidates hostage at a painful, brokered convention. So, on the counsel of party leaders, he agreed to "suspend" his campaign.

Now, this means (in my opinion) that if he manages to reach the 15% threshold in several super Tuesday states (and he will - just look at his numbers in Oklahoma, for instance), he will still be accumulating delegates... all without lifting a finger to campaign. That alone sends a powerful message. That voters, even faced with the fact that Edwards dropped out of the race, still found the remaining candidates so lacking that they voted for Edwards anyway.

Edwards will be taking those delegates and that message to the convention. Now, if there is a clear nominee, then the impact won't be as great. BUT, if we are still facing a "horse race" type scenario, where maybe 100-200 delegates makes a difference, Edwards will stand in a pretty powerful place.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:27 PM
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29. People... He's Gonna Give His Delegates To Either Clinton Or Obama
at the convention, if not before.

:shrug:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. But he will have some leverage over these candidates. And we want him to have as much as possible.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:55 PM
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33. 4 days before Tuesday - after over 4 years of campaigning.
And he suspends? He was shoved aside so they can have this BIG historical debate. They got that one debate in - at the great Kodak theater with many of Hollywood's producers, actors, and comics. Yippee!

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. No kidding and thes people are "buying " this? No questions asked?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #38
49. i have alot of questions..and anger..when Edwards read his speech it began my questions!!
I have never in 5 years seen that man read a speech..ever!!..who's fucking speech did he read?? and why? they weren't his words..we better all damn well start asking these questions.

I believe John wants us to ask these questions.

I talked to a Lawyer friend of his today who worked in NH ..then went to Iowa then Nevada then Sc for him..she is a very powerful attorney i met while working for John in Iowa..She was powerful enough that Trippi ate dinner with us and he was in awe of this lady..

she was just as perplexed..she was going to go to North Dakota for him..she went back to Texas sunday after SC and was getting ready to leave when he suspended..she has not talked to John yet..but she was on the same wave length as me..he was forced out..

and who would have that power??????????

a Kennedy??

a Clinton?????

certainly not an Obama..but how about who is running and controlling Obama?

who made Obama?..why he was bounced in front of america at the dem convention in 2004 when even the delegates had no idea who this guy was..i know i was one of those delegates..and we laughed when his signs were handed out to us..we were making jokes about the name..obama........

we had no idea what or who an obama was..

he was given the prime time to do his speech ..and the crowd was whipped up by Sharpton before him ..going after little lord pissy pants..the first of any such talk at the convention..again i know because i was one of those whipped up by Sharptons speech..so much so i was quoted in three newspapers..one being a NY paper..

then came Obama..

he was not even a senator then..so how did he get such a prime time to speak?

ask Terry McCaulif ..and the DLC..ask Carville who couldn't say enough flowery things about him and did a lovely job promoting Obama..

ask Paul Begala...now what do all of these folks have in common? ..the Clintons and working to elect Hillary..

start asking questions folks..as alot of questions...

MAYBE ..JUST MAYBE THE Clintons straw man has gotten out of control...

And vote on Tuesday..and if Edwards was and is your man..you picked him because he spoke to your conscience..he spoke to your values and ideals and principles...don't ever give those up..or away cheeply...they come from somewhere very profound inside you..
guard them...

fly



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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:06 PM
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39. We're all guessing, because he didn't tell us
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 02:08 PM by TexasObserver
I don't know what John wants us to do. I infer that he wants us to vote, that he wants us to exercise our own personal judgment, and make our own minds up. I don't infer he wishes us to vote for him. Based upon that analysis, I chose almost immediately to go with Obama. It's down to two, and it's time to make a choice. I've made that choice, and think others should make theirs.

However, anyone who likes Edwards and isn't ready to vote for anyone else should vote for John. A vote only belongs to the person. No person has a right to demand that another person vote a particular way.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #39
63. absolutely and even that is out of character..completely. eom
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:08 PM
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40. Oh well. He doesn't get to decide who I vote for either. I recall him saying...
"First of all, where would I get off telling African American voters how to vote?"

So he probably wouldn't think he had the right to demand or direct any group to vote a certain way.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:12 PM
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42. Primary votes are for voting one's conscience
I get what you're saying, but I don't consider my vote "wasted" at all.

I'm heartbroken Edwards dropped out, but I can live with either one of the other candidates as President.

As long as we get rid of the Repukes, I'm happy.

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:21 PM
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45. Don't tell me who to vote for
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:42 PM
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46. He's probably having a well deserved break.
So I'd hate to wake him. But whatever he is doing could be hurting Obama, and helping Clinton.

If Edwards votes are going more toward Obama, then the votes going to Edwards would be robbing Obama.

And why isn't Edwards coming out after being so on top of things with a quick response to just about any news story? He could put something on his website, but people there are also talking about voting for Edwards.

The damage to Obama would be done. Something you would disregard if your a Hillary supporter. And something MSM would disregard as well.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. So what? I could care less.We have no obligation to either candidate and certainly not to a
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 02:52 PM by saracat
specific one.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. "Robbing" Obama? Maybe Obama "robbed" Edwards by running at the last moment?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:34 PM
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53. maybe he thinks the people who supported him did so with clear conscience and mind
and are adult enough to choose who they want to support or not support??

and that would be either Hillary, Obama or him..or no one at all...

yeah i think so..

and all your pandering for Obama won't do a damn thing about it..nor will he pushing people in one direction or another change that.

See Edwards supporters were adults..with thinking skills..and cognitive thinking skills..we don't walk around with the ipod screaming at us all day..and we couldn't be bought to go onto busses and cheat in elections.

We don't need anyone telling us who to support or not support.

and psssssssssss..doing so..only pisses us off more..and makes us more resolved.

fly
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:33 PM
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58. Robbing Obama?
You have GOT to be kidding me. In LLD land failure to support HIS candidate, because many Edwards supporters are "said" to prefer him over Clinton by talking heads on TV, is tantamount to THEFT???If you are an Obama supporter you ought to get off that line of reasoning right damn quick.If I use MY vote, in MY primary, to vote for the candidate of MY choice-then Edwards is screwing Obama...Boy, between you saying my guy is hosing Obama and the NY NOW saying he's helping to rape Clinton I'm shocked he's not on the political sex/race-offender registry....
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:12 PM
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68. Maybe he has the same kind of doubts about Obama
that the rest of us do. And maybe he's not really a fan of Hillary's either. For him to endorse if that's how he believes would be dishonest to his own integrity.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:30 AM
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71. I'd rather move on and prevent Hillary from winning.
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V4Edwards Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:44 PM
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54. John Edwards was not forced out

John Edwards meant every word of it when he said he would fight through to the convention. He did not lie to any of us. It was just that after the results from South Carolina came in it all became crystal clear. Yes, I'm sure there was extreme pressure from the Democratic Party for him to quit - but that alone would not make him do it. He did intend to fight to the end.

Remember John grew up during the racially explosive 60's and early 70's. He has seen the ugly face of racism up close and personal - probably in a way that someone who is not from the south cannot understand. And let's be clear - John Edwards does not have a racist bone in his body.

The demographics out of South Carolina were truly shocking. Obama got the African American vote - okay so that was expected. Clinton got the women's vote - expected also. The shocker was this - and it could not show up in states like Iowa and New Hampshire - John Edwards got only 1% (or was it closer to 0%) of the black vote. And this is his birth state. He spent more advertising money here than anywhere else. And this is the group that his policies help the most by far. How crushing was that for him?

And so the analysis in his mind begins. Who are the people who are voting for him? Most of them enthusiastically support his candidacy and know his policies, but there may be a very small minority who are voting for him because he is the "white male choice". This is exactly what John does not want. He wants people to vote for him based on his merits not based on the color of his skin and/or his gender. He realizes that he does not want to be in the race on Super Tuesday in 20+ states and be the choice of last resort for racial and misogynist bigots - not when he is not likely to receive more than 20% of the vote in any of the states. He realizes that sometimes a historic symbolic choice between a black male and a white woman - may be something that we just have to see how it plays out. He does not want to amass more delegates after Super Tuesday and then have to play the divisive role of "kingmaker" and perhaps alter a historical course. He knows he has to step aside to let the healing begin. This was quite simply the most unselfish and statesman-like thing he could do. There are some times when it is more courageous not to fight, and this was one of those times. John Edwards put aside his own personal ambitions for the good of the country that he loves. He deserves our respect.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:09 PM
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56. And yet despite all that..
And I will look for a link I can't remember where I read or heard it, I saw that if the demographics of votes were extrapolated to the entire country, just based on demographic population distribution in the entire country, he would have won a nationwide election with the vote splitting the same way.

As I said I can't remember where I saw this, but I will post a link if I can find it.

I think that Edwards was more concerned with spreading his message than he was with any supposed bigots voting for him because he was the white male. First of all, I would venture to say that most of the bigots who would vote that way are members of another party, not the Dems, and therefore the risk of that in the Democratic primary is very small, IMHO.

As I've been saying since it happened, something about this just smells funny. The reasons have been discussed in numerous posts, I'm not going to take the time to retype them. But I can't shake the strong feeling that this was not his choice.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:29 PM
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57. John Edwards read a speech to us to suspend his campaign..he has never done that before..
he has always spoken with his own words in his own style..

John said he was going all the way to the convention..

i have saved each and every email from the campaign..i know what i read..i do not need anyone deciding what words mean ..this is what he said..or was said by his campaign mgrs..


Dear xxxxxx,

From the very beginning, our campaign has been about one central thing: giving voice to millions of Americans who have absolutely no voice in our democracy.

If you are worried about your health care or, like 47 million other Americans you have no health care, your voice will be heard in this campaign.

If you're one of 37 million Americans who wake up every single day, worried about how to feed and clothe your children and living in poverty, your voice will be heard in America -- and it will be heard in this campaign and we will speak and fight for you.

If you're worried about being able to pay for your child to be able to go to college and being able to pay for tuition and books, your voice will be heard in this campaign -- and it will be heard in America.

If you're one of the forgotten middle class, working and struggling just to pay your bills, worrying every single day about what may be around the corner, we will give you a voice in this campaign.

And if you're one of the extraordinary men and women who have worn the uniform of the United States with pride and honor and served this country patriotically, and you're not getting the health care you need or deserve, your voice will be heard in this campaign. If you're one of the 200,000 veterans living in America who every night go to sleep under bridges, in shelters or on heating grates, your voice will be heard in America.

That's why this campaign moves on to February 5 and "Super Tuesday" when millions of Americans will cast their vote and help shape the future of the Democratic Party and, most importantly, help shape the future of America.

Thank you for standing with me as, together, we take this campaign to the Democratic Convention, to the nomination -- and then to the White House.

Your support as we move forward means that the voices of millions of voiceless Americans will be heard.

Sincerely,

John Edwards
January 27, 2008


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Dear xxxxx,

I just finished talking with John -- and he's committed to going all the way to the Democratic Convention, taking the nomination and then on to the White House.

We're going to win delegates in South Carolina -- and we're going to win delegates in other critical states on February 5. And with John McCain emerging as the likely nominee for the Republicans, it's becoming clear there is only one Democratic candidate who can win against him in November -- and that is John Edwards.

Poll after poll shows it is John Edwards who can beat any of the Republican candidates in the general election. Now is the time when John Edwards needs your support the most.


snip:
Can you do it again for John and for our campaign? Can you give us another contribution and help keep us competitive to the convention?

Joe Trippi
Senior Advisor, John Edwards for President
January 22, 2008

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Dear xxxxx,

Last Friday, I challenged you to help us raise $360,000 by January 31.

Here's the good news: thousands of you responded and now, with 48 hours to go, we're just $73,000 from raising more money for this campaign in one month than in any previous three month period.

That's right -- we're that close to setting this fundraising record for the campaign. Will you help us get there?

Click here to help us raise $73,000

Raising this money gives us the opportunity to expand our efforts in the next round of key states that will vote or caucus on February 5. It allows us to buy time to broadcast spots, purchase newspaper advertisements, organize public events with John Edwards and expand our phone bank calls.

That's why we appreciate so much your response to the challenge so far -- and why I'm asking you to help us raise the $73,000 that will put us over the top.

Click here to help us raise $73,000

This is still a three-person race for the Democratic nomination. We have identified the key February 5 states where we know John Edwards will have a strong showing -- and where we are going to win delegates.

Over the next 7 days, John is crisscrossing the country, taking his message of bold change into these key states. This is the message he has said he intends to carry all the way to the Democratic Convention, the nomination -- and then on to the White House.

Your continuing support means a great deal to John and to this campaign.

I know you can help us set a new campaign record between now and January 31 -- and your contribution today will make a difference for us as we head toward the important contests on February 5.

Thank you for all you do.

--Joe Trippi
Senior Advisor, John Edwards for President
January 29, 2008




i know damn well what John said and i sent a damn lot of money to his campaign, because i knew damn well what he said..i heard him say it in person and he told me in person!

fly
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:52 PM
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59. He lied.
I know it's hard to accept, but that's the way it is.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:07 PM
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61. You are obviously naive. Fly is correct.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:53 PM
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62. i have known this man a very long time ..and i was one of his delegates in 2004..
Elizabeth is from my county i live in..he did not lie..someone forced him out ..is how i see it..

i just saw him and spoke to him last Saturday night..the night of the election in SC..and i also spoke to Trippi and Bonior ..i was even asked if i would consider going to Missouri ..

so save the lied bullshit..

fly
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:10 PM
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67. If he let someone "push" him out, he's not Presidential material
Even if he was "forced out", he broke his promises.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:57 PM
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55. My vote, my ballot, my choice, my voice goes to John Edwards Tuesday.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:01 PM
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60. That it pretty reasonable
but I'm guessing, and most certainly for NY, that the advantage of his dropping out is net Clinton and net Clinton early wrap up. In any event I don't consider myself a wave of unrealistic Edwards' voters who could have saved Obama. So just for myself, and I doubt others have exactly the same reasons, I see no point to vote for someone else I don't think is better on Tuesday.

Edwards certainly made no plea except against the type of blanket interpretation people are trying to lay on this and the Edwards' voters. Things will certainly be clearer on Tuesday. I doubt the Edwards' voters will be critical EXCEPT for their absence as a nomination blocking segment- which is questionable but probably absent now. i think it boils down to very crude simplicity. Obama is young and not ready enough and Hillary is due. No critical issue(like electability) overall seems to break through this.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:04 PM
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66. We have a caucus, not a primary, on 2/5
and since I can't get too excited about picking one over the other of the two remaining, I guess I'll just skip it. May the best person win, I guess -- although clearly, in my view at least, all the best people have left.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:37 AM
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72. I am an Edwards man and I have made a choice and that choice
is Obama.
I would vote for Edwards if he was in the race and still running.
But I refuse to vote for a delegate who may throw My vote toward a candidate that I believe has little chance of winning the GE.
Delegates are people and have their own thoughts and rational.
It makes more sense to place my vote where I want it than to gamble on a delegates choice.
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