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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:28 PM
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Confessions of former Clinton Supporters
Confessions of former Clinton Supporters


Tuesday, January 29, 2008

During the 1990's the Republicans came to control both Houses of Congress. Their overly partisan behavior and single-minded pursuit of ways to discredit Bill Clinton made us rally behind the Clintons. Our Clinton defense intensified in response to the zealous and widely discredited actions of the special prosecutor, Kenneth Starr. During the last few years of the Clinton presidency, we Democrats spent more time and energy fighting for him rather than him fighting for us.

The support of the Clintons, in my family, translated into unquestioned votes—twice for Bill Clinton and twice for Hillary Clinton. We, husband and wife, are neither political operatives nor do we work in the political trade; we are ordinary citizens who consider ourselves politically aware solid Democrats. We have become, stunningly disappointed former Clinton supporters who have witnessed their perversion of, what we thought was, a lifetime of progressive activism.

The recent behavior of Hillary Clinton, her husband and her campaign tactics in general have made us look at other candidates. It has become clear that the Clinton’s will do anything to win. Not in our wildest dreams could we imagine that they would stoop so low as to pit one ethnic group against another; that challenges the very core of the Democratic party. Their cynical use of diverse groups within the party, their shifting position on the Iraq war and their propensity to misstate facts in typical Clinton doublespeak has led us to the conclusion that Anyone But Hillary would be a better choice for Democrats. We come to this conclusion with a dispassionate review of the Clinton presidency, Hillary’s wrong judgment on the seminal issue of our time, the Iraq war: in her own words ‘she voted for the war with conviction’ and now her tortuous explanations that the yes vote did not mean yes is too reminiscent of the “depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is”. We also believe that ‘character’ matters for a Presidential candidate and unfortunately they do not exhibit many signs of that. Instead, their recent behavior shows a narcissistic power grab irrespective of the long term damage they can inflict on the party. In a recent televised debate, Mrs. Clinton herself suggested that a person’s past behavior and performance is a precursor as to how one would behave and perform in the future. Unfortunately, their recent and past behavior does not augur well for the party nor the country.

Now benefiting from a clear-eyed view of the Clintons, we are able to perform a more matter of fact assessment of President Clinton's performance which was not quite possible during his period in office. During the 1990s and beyond, our energy stayed focused on defending Bill Clinton against the Republicans and Ken Starr. Like the Republicans, we too developed a partisan zeal and none of us stepped back to scrutinize the performance of the Clinton presidency. Perhaps, we should have followed the advice of a historian from the Roman times who stated that ‘truth helps a story along’. We are now attempting to face the truth, as painful as it may be.

With the benefit of hindsight and by virtue of enough time having passed, it is now not only possible, but necessary to examine Mr. Clinton’s presidency (and Mrs. Clinton’s role during that period) in an analytical framework. Sadly, on close examination, the view of Mr. and Mrs. Clinton that emerges is not very flattering to either. In fact, the more we look at the period from 1992 onwards, the more it becomes evident that we, as Democrats, lulled ourselves into constructing, believing , lauding and propagating what can more aptly be described as a fairy tale, particularly with regard to the large issues confronting our society. Moreover, during the 8 years that Mr. Clinton was in power, the party spent more time and energy being apologists for the Clintons.

When Bill Clinton was inaugurated, the Democratic Party had held a majority in the House of Representatives since the New Deal. Given the then dominant election themes,
it can be stated that he was elected with a mandate from the Democrats to: 1) fix the
healthcare system as at the time 25 million Americans were without any health insurance, 2) fix the looming shortfall in Social Security, 3) see emerging global economic trends and prepare the work force against its adverse effects and 4) lead and govern in a way to enable Democrats to win control of the Senate so that meaningful and progressive reforms could be undertaken. It is with sadness we note that in three of the above four there was total failure. There were more Americans lacking health insurance when Bill Clinton left office than there were when he was inaugurated; the looming cris in Social Security remain unfixed and the Democrats lost control of Congress under his watch and the country paid a very heavy price for that loss. There was some partial success in recognizing emerging global trade trends, even though the administration failed to prepare or retrain the work force subjecting the work force to the vicisstiudes of globalization.

When all is said and done, in historical terms, Mr. Clinton did fight a good rearguard action against the Reaganite and Newt Gingrich onslaught. For this he should be lauded. However, this was too meager an achievement compared to the price that we paid in lost opportunities to address our major issues. Since then they had a chance to lead during the anti-war movement ; instead, both husband and wife chose to go with Mr. Bush as part of a political calculus. Now their political calculus requires race baiting, cynical use of ethnic minorities and gender. Their calculating style has certainly lost our votes.

Dayle and Shafqat

Posted by shafqat at 8:24 AM


http://newpoliticos.blogspot.com/2008/01/confessions-of-former-clinton.html
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:34 PM
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1. I remember the national embarassment that was felt once the Monica crap was out ...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 02:34 PM by ursi
people couldn't get to the polls fast enough to vote for Bush ...and the nuttjobs Repugs ...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:35 PM
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2. I was so ashamed
for the scandal-obsessed republican party
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:51 PM
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17. Getting Desperate Obamites?
these Hit Threads against Clinton are all you have
because your candidate is a MEDIOCRITY
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:15 PM
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19. Notice the Obama people do not talk about homophobes, drugs or Rezco?
HMMMMMMMMMM!

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:42 PM
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4. The "national embarrassment" was manufactured by the repugs...
I was, at the MOST, disappointed that the Big Dog put himself in that position, but I still was, overall, happy with his admin (except for NAFTA & the telecom bill).

Overseas, America was laughed at BECAUSE of the prudishness of the media and Republicans, not because of the Big Dog's peccadilloes.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:40 PM
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3. For democrats to show that they are not "weak" on national security
it is necessary for them to meekly go along with all the stupid bush administration policies. This is what bill Clinton believed in 2002 and as far as I know, still believes. I don't know that Hillary agrees but she voted that way and still defends the vote. If she cannot break with Bill's stupid idea of what constitutes Democratic "weakness" she won't be her own person in the presidency. This post more or less defines the thought process I went through although it presents it more eloquently than I could.
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yessir Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:46 PM
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5. Clintons own members admit she was a fraud
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:28 PM
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14. Someone many of us respect (Molly Ivins) said
"I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president. Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone." -- Molly Ivins

And then there was her devastating decision to have Carville whisper to Kerry that there were only 155,000 uncounted ballots in Ohio. Voting activists now believe that there were as many as 400,000 uncounted or challenged ballots there, more than enough to remove George W from the winning column with a mere 138,000 ballots giving him the state.

Then there is the fact that Barbara Boxer had the cajones to side with the Black Caucus and not certify the stolen election. Where was Hillary while Boxer supported voting and election reform.Nowhere.

After all, if she helped depose george W and get Kerry in office, she would be watching his re-election in 2008 and she would not be able to pursue the WH until 2012
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:48 PM
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16. Please. Make this post a thread of it's own. Powerful stuff.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:57 PM
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23. It's so powerful I am not sure I would survive...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 08:57 PM by truedelphi
Though since Woodward's book now backs me up on this, it might help me stay alive a week from now.

And that's just from the Hillbot's here that would try to hoist me by Monica Lewinsky's petard.

Lord knows what the DLC would do to me.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:47 PM
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6. This was so me.
"Our Clinton defense intensified in response to the zealous and widely discredited actions of the special prosecutor, Kenneth Starr.

"Like the Republicans, we too developed a partisan zeal and none of us stepped back to scrutinize the performance of the Clinton presidency."

And now I too have come to this sad realization:

"During the last few years of the Clinton presidency, we Democrats spent more time and energy fighting for him rather than him fighting for us."
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:52 PM
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7. yup, "winning" the impeachment battle meant ignoring a lot of more important battles.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:20 PM
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20. You got that right :Rep feared him as they fear Hillary today, they tried to bring him down
Bill Clinton worked hard for us and cleaned up the Bush mess. Thank God every day for sending in the big dog when he did, now we need his spouse, of course I would rather have my candidate John Edwards but now I am a Hillary supporter.....
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:00 PM
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8. And we should believe a first-day blogger ... why?
And it's been published on DU more than on its own website.

--p!
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:16 PM
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9. If the shoe fits ...
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:13 PM
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18. And if it doesn't?
It doesn't.

--p!
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:22 PM
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12. Why not?
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:16 PM
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10. The OP speaks for me.
I haven't had time to write my progression from fervent Clinton supporter, to someone who now views Bill as repellent, and Sen. Clinton as his enabler.

Just as I resent George W. Bush for playing out his family issues on the world stage, to its everlasting detriment, I very much resent the Clintons for bringing their soap-opera dramas to the country again.

A large part of the Hope that Obama represents to me is the knowledge that he is a person who knows himself and who has come to terms with the issues of race and family.

He has not just "found voice" in the middle of a campaign; he knows who he is and he speaks with his own authentic voice.

With luck, I probably have twenty-five years left on this earth. I so hope that eight of those years will not be spent living through the Clinton Drama again.

I want us to get on with making up for the last seven years, and unlike the Clintons, Obama isn't dragging around thirty-five years of baggage to keep him from freely, boldly and hopefully facing the future.

Obama talks about "The fierce urgency of Now".

As my life enters its last quarter, at best, I can't tell you how much I feel that.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:28 PM
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21. Listen to yourself -- really
... Bill as repellent, and Sen. Clinton as his enabler ...

I very much resent the Clintons for bringing their soap-opera dramas to the country ...

... the Hope that Obama represents to me ...

... he is a person who knows himself and who has come to terms with the issues of race and family ...

... he speaks with his own authentic voice.

... the Clinton Drama ...

... thirty-five years of baggage ...

... freely, boldly and hopefully facing the future ...


And you can lecture us that the Clintons are a political soap opera? Your rhetoric isn't just touchy-feely, it's vicariously narcissistic. Profoundly. It is the language of hastily-trained addictions counselors. (Except for "repellent", which is Counterpunch-speak.) And you are far from the only person who talks this way about Obama and the Clintons. The Obama campaign has become a psychological movie screen for many of his followers to project their anxieties and their needs. That doesn't seem to be healthy at all.

We're voting for a president, not a psychotherapist.

--p!
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:13 AM
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24. Well, I'm not a therapist and I don't know what "Counterpunch-speak" is
but I do wish the Clintons would take their drama to a college town somewhere where they would be extremely effective teachers and their drama maybe wouldn't affect the whole world.

They may have the greatest ideas in the world, but they can't get many of them enacted because the distractions of their style always get in the way.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:19 PM
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11. K&R!
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 03:20 PM by Mme. Defarge
My big fear is that Hillary is the anointed one, that the fix is in regardless of Super Tuesday's outcome. The Democratic Party's super-delegate system really is set up to deprive the people of any meaningful voice.

Very thoughtful and well written post. Thanks.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:24 PM
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13. You know, if Hillary wasn't running,
my memories and perceptions of the Clintons would be good ones. But all the soul searching that one must consider during the primaries, has made me face the negative aspects. I wish I didn't have to. I really wish there had been some other way to get through this stage of the process.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:39 PM
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15. Definitely in this case, your user ID is
Very apropos.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:40 AM
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25. There is no joy in this.
But the OP said something that struck a cord. I too, was one of Clinton's biggest defenders in the 90s. But it wears you down, you know. When you're constantly supporting and defending somebody, while you're fighting your own private battles at home. At some point you have to recognize that if the person you're defending isn't fighting for the same things you are, then maybe it isn't the most beneficial relationship; and in fact, maybe it's just the opposite. When you have a politician who makes deals in the backroom, you may never know for sure.

Obama -- I still don't know if he'll be better. But, if my aim is to open people's eyes by showing them just how Anglo-Americans get passes in this country for things that would never be acceptable within ethnic groups, well, he might be the one.

Whatever, I'll support whoever makes it through the primary.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:52 PM
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22. In some respects they did deserve your support in the90s but to my mind their bush friendship has..
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 08:52 PM by cooolandrew
... had a negative influence on their politics.
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