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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:20 PM
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Please help this Edwards supporter decide whom to vote for, without slandering anyone.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 05:21 PM by ocelot
Let’s say there are three presidential candidates – call them Larry, Moe and Curly (no disrespect to anyone intended). Each of them holds positions within the mainstream of the Democratic Party, but they present their policies and themselves in different ways. They have different experiences, backgrounds and personal attributes. But they have all attracted many enthusiastic supporters.

Consider, as well, that all of them want to end the war, though their plans for doing so have some differences. They all agree that everyone should have access to health care, but they have different plans for providing it. They are generally pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, and pro-labor. They want less spending on guns and bombs and more on schools, bridges, and poverty programs. So why would one of us support Larry, another Moe, and another Curly?

It could be because among all the issues the candidates address, some particular issue grabs our attention, possibly because of personal experiences; maybe because of ideology. Some of us feel economic issues like job creation are the most important. Others are more focused on ending the war. Others are especially interested in gender/racial equality or health care. And beyond the issues there are intangible, even subconscious considerations. We will be drawn to the candidate we believe we can trust, who seems sincere, who we think will actually do what he or she has promised. And this kind of attraction is hard to describe or quantify. Apart from the specific issues, we can’t always exactly point to what it is about Candidate Larry, for example, that makes us like him more than Moe or Curly.

But everyone has their own very different reasons for supporting a candidate.

So now let’s say that Larry, who has never consistently pulled beyond third place, decides to drop out. Moe and Curly, neither of whom is yet the clear front-runner, would like very much to get Larry’s endorsement and to pick up as many of his supporters as possible. They would also like to persuade undecided voters and even convert their opponent’s supporters. How can they do this?

First of all, they must NOT belittle, slime, misrepresent, slander or otherwise trash their candidate’s opponent. This does not win converts. This makes people angry. If I support Moe it’s because the issues Moe emphasizes are important to me. I also like and trust Moe. If a Curly supporter, wanting to win my vote, tells me Moe is a tool and a crook and a liar, that person is telling me that I have been supporting a tool and a crook and a liar, and that therefore I am either a naïve idiot or someone who approves of tools, crooks and liars (meaning I am also such a person). If you do this sort of thing on behalf of your candidate you should not be surprised to meet with intense hostility.

If I was a supporter of Larry who is now trying to decide whether to vote for either Moe or Curly, you will need to explain not why *you* like Moe or Curly, but why *I* should. I’m not you. Maybe I have a different perspective and different concerns. Think about what Larry’s issues were, then tell me why and how Moe will do what Larry would have done. If you support Moe, don’t tell me Curly is an unqualified ass. Tell me how Moe’s positions are closer to Larry’s positions than Curly’s. Tell me something that will help me trust Moe, not why I shouldn’t trust Curly.

People become very invested in the candidates they support. If you insult a candidate you insult his/her supporters as well. And if you pour on enough vitriol you will also manage to repel even those who are as yet neutral and are simply looking for a reason to vote for someone.

I was an Edwards supporter who will probably caucus as “undecided” next week. Eventually I and many others will end up choosing between Clinton and Obama. Please stop making it so hard for us to like either of them.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:21 PM
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1. My friend, vote with the homeless in mind, and your heart of course nt
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:21 PM
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2. Can we slander Republicans?
Part of why I think you should vote for Obama is because he is our best bet to keep the GOP out of the White House.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:22 PM
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5. Truth is an absolute defense. It isn't slander when it's Republicans.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:21 PM
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3. If JE is on your ballot
Vote for him. Primaries are the time you can vote your heart. I am still voting for DK.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:24 PM
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7. In my state you have to caucus as "uncommitted" if your client is no longer on the ballot.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 05:25 PM by ocelot
So I don't have the option of voting for him any more. "Uncommitted" means the other candidates have to "woo" the uncommitted delegates, so it's the next best thing.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:22 PM
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4. I gather lots of people are still voting Edwards as a protest, why not!
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:23 PM
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6. Just watch this>>
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:28 PM
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8. Hillary has worked for Children and poor people for many years.
Do consider her definite heartfelt compassion for every American.
Hillary is definitely worth a look, Her work with childrens causes is a pretty clear look at her beliefs.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:52 PM
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13. OK, that's the kind of comment I'm looking for.
You made a positive statement about Hillary without saying anything nasty about Obama. Thank you for that, and I will certainly consider this point. You are a better representative of your candidate than a lot of others on DU.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:29 PM
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9. Maybe it's my imagination, but I saw JE siding with BO more than HC
I thought he would come out with his endorsement for Obama right after dropping out of the race. I think Obama will shake things up in DC. I hope that when Obama is president, he will make JE attorney general.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:36 PM
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10. don't count on that! eom
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:36 PM
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11. The way I see it, as a fellow uncommitted JRE supporter.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 05:40 PM by Heaven and Earth
Obama wins on campaign finance reform, the minimum wage, and rock star appeal. Hillary wins on Healthcare and aura of competence with regard to the nuts and bolts of the job. Obama loses with his sub rosa anti-gay dog whistles. Hillary loses on quality of advisors (Mark Penn is the poster boy for this negative), some anti-gay endorsers as well and potentially her racial politics (depends on how you interpret what her campaign has been saying and doing).

Bottom line, I would have already happily jumped on the Obama train if I weren't so outraged about his anti-gay dog whistles. Obama is the most likely, I think, to institute public financing for congressional elections, so if you see public financing for congress as the beginning of good government, and can get past the anti-gay crap, go with Obama. Otherwise, go Clinton, since you don't have the option of staying in the middle.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:40 PM
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12. Coattails. Who do you think could help down-ticket? I believe
that since Barack can deliver more Dems, Indies and some Repubs, he is a stronger candidate to help the entire party.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:53 PM
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14. Hillary is the past. Barack is the future.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:58 PM
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15. Shameless kick.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:07 PM
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16. Ocelot, You sort of hit the nail on the head with this thread...
bottom line is that this is the time to cut the emotional ties with this candidate and that, get out the usual piece of paper and go to town on listing the pros and cons of each candidate. Keep adding to the list up till the day you actually vote.

Thats how I chose my candidate and how I will end up voting in the GE.

Sounds cold and calculating, but that is what will get YOU the best candidate.

Onward and upward.
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