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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:14 PM
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Don’t Screw Up, Democrats, Barack Obama Is Your Man - Andrew Sullivan
<snip>

...

But what of the Democrats? The two candidates can each make a case that he or she is the most electable. Senator Clinton has the advantage of having been on the national stage and seared into global consciousness for almost two decades. This familiarity lends an aura of authority, especially as she has had the imagery of the White House and the presidency behind her for eight years. It calms nerves among jittery Democrats worried about another narrow loss to a Republican. She is a creature of the past generation, which means to say she grew up developing scar tissue under conservative assault. In battle, you tend to respect the warrior with the most battered physique.

She has endurance rather than experience. Nobody doubts her competence or eagerness for hard work. She also has the contacts and network of the most powerful brand in Democratic politics: the Clintons. If you are an insecure or not too clued-in Democrat, she reassures. If you are a working-class Democrat, you think she knows what she’s doing and you fondly recall the years when Bill was running the country. Her facility with policy helps to cement the idea of her as a competent representative.

However, outside her core base of support, all this electability has a dark side with Clinton. She has extraordinary negatives. She galvanises the conservative movement in ways no other Democrat can. Against McCain, she and she alone enables the Republicans to forget their deep internal divisions and unite. Nothing – nothing – unites them as she does. The money she will raise for the Republicans is close to the amount they can raise for themselves. If you’re a hard-nosed Democrat, especially in a state that leans Republican or that voted for Bush, she is potentially toxic to your chances. No Democrat in Nebraska wants to counter an advertisement morphing his face with Hillary’s.

Hence the endorsements Obama has secured: Janet Napolitano, Democratic governor of Arizona; Kathleen Sebelius, Democratic governor of Kansas; Claire McCaskill, Democratic senator from Missouri; Tim Kaine, Democratic governor of Virginia, and Ben Nelson, Democratic senator from Nebraska.

What do all these states have in common? They are all states that George W Bush won twice. If you’re the next generation of Democrat, trying to appeal to the centre of the country, Obama is your candidate. Clinton takes the party and national politics back to the polarised red-blue ideological past. The danger of this is that if you are someone in the middle – on the purple edge of the red-blue divide – then the polarising nature of Clinton might mean that if she were the candidate you might vote Republican. Obama is the salve for this syndrome.

The polling data are clear on this as well. Obama’s margins of victory over most Republican candidates are greater than Clinton’s. He is more liberal in some respects but he tends to be more liberal in those areas where the Democrats are strongest, primarily Iraq where his antiwar stance has resonance. On healthcare his plan is less coercive than Clinton’s. In the debate last Thursday in Hollywood, he subtly made the case that he could also be more credible in withdrawing troops from Iraq – since Republicans could not accuse him of having changed his position on the war, as they can with Clinton. He made his liberalism a positive in the electability wars, which is the first time that has happened in American politics since 1976.

The winnowing of the field to two has oddly helped his electability. You could see it at the Clinton-Obama debate last week. Clinton did not do poorly. All her strengths were on show: the policy mastery, the gaffe-free talking points, the Clinton record in the 1990s. But that made his ease all the more impressive. Most crucial, Obama seemed like a president. In his body language he carefully upstaged her without looking as if he were trying. By the end of the debate he was pulling her chair back for her. If Obama’s main drawback in the electability game has until now been gravitas, he erased that gap in two short hours.

Can it work? Can Obama win? I don’t know. Clinton is still a formidable candidate and her massive institutional advantage may eventually give her the nomination. Any objective observer would have to say she is still the favourite at this juncture. But she has not won this primary argument or this primary battle. If she becomes the nominee, it will be because she survived the primaries. Obama won them.

The national polling keeps getting tighter. In every state where Obama has had a chance to be exposed to voters in real time, he has won. But the states up for grabs on Tuesday are big ones where retail salesmanship and organisation are not as powerful as name recognition. Obama has the money – in fact, he raised a staggering $32m in January alone, mostly in small sums from individual donations. He has the momentum: Gallup’s national poll shows Clinton’s lead evaporating in the past two weeks.

Will Democratic voters realise that he is now their best bet against McCain or will inertia and fear keep Clinton alive? One thing I’ve learnt in American politics: never underestimate the capacity of the Democratic party to screw it up.

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Link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article3294433.ece

Like I been sayin...

:shrug:

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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:16 PM
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1. She (Hillary) has endurance rather than experience.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:26 PM
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10. The bigger they are
the harder they fall.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:19 PM
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2. Nice...:-) K&R
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:20 PM
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3. Andrew Sullivan, rofl
Well, that is high praise indeed!

:rofl:
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:23 PM
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7. I almost made it a thread, but decided to be kind.



:rofl:
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:20 PM
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4. We're listening to Andy "Always wrong" Sullivan now?
Next we'll be quoting Karl Rove's "advice" regarding Democratic candidates.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:22 PM
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6. More "helpful" advice from Republicans
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:21 PM
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5. LOL - advice from Andrew Sullivan-as if swiftboating via Rezko/ wifes raise/mob etc will not change
the numbers
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:25 PM
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8. add Odinga to the list...
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:26 PM
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9. This guy has it covered, because of repub white rage for HRC(unjustified or justified)we lose seats&
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 09:28 PM by cooolandrew
govenors. There is so much to lose if HRC gets it.There are plenty repupublicans ready to jumpside for Barack though. There are so many up and coming women senators that there will very shortly be a female president. I think Barack would be wisest running with McCaskill.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:30 PM
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11. Andrew Sullivan? The gay guy who supported Bush in
2000?

Yea, he's a rocket scientist alright. :eyes:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:31 PM
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12. Ok, All You Billary Supporters, How Bout This One Then ???
From The Nation:

<snip>

The question of who can best build popular support for a progressive governing agenda is related to, but distinct from, the question of electability. Given a certain ceiling on Clinton's appeal (due largely to years of unhinged attacks from the "vast right-wing conspiracy"), her campaign seems well prepared to run a 50 percent + 1 campaign, a rerun of 2004 but with a state or two switching columns: Florida, maybe, or Ohio. Obama is aiming for something bigger: a landmark sea-change election, with the kind of high favorability and approval ratings that can drive an agenda forward. Why should we think he can do it?

The short answer is that Obama is simply one of the most talented and appealing politicians in recent memory. Perhaps the most. Pollster.com shows a series of polls taken in the Democratic campaign. The graphs plotting national polling numbers as well as those in the first four states show a remarkably consistent pattern. Hillary Clinton starts out with either a modest or, more commonly, a massive lead, owing to her superior name recognition and the popularity of the Clinton brand. As the campaign goes forward Clinton's support either climbs slowly, plateaus or dips. But as the actual contest approaches, and voters start paying attention, Obama's support suddenly begins to grow exponentially.

In addition to persuading those who already vote, Obama has also delivered on one of the hoariest promises in politics: to bring in new voters (especially the young). It's a phenomenon that, if it were to continue with him as nominee, could completely alter the electoral math. Young people are by far the most progressive voters of any age cohort, and they overwhelmingly favor Barack Obama by stunning margins. Their enthusiasm has translated into massive increases in youth turnout in the early contests.

Finally, there's the question of coattails. In many senses there's less difference between the two presidential candidates than there is between a Senate with fifty-one Democrats and one with fifty-six. No Democratic presidential candidate is going to carry, say, Mississippi or Nebraska, but many Democrats in those states fear that the ingrained Clinton hatred would rally the GOP base and/or depress turnout, hurting down-ticket candidates. Over the past few weeks a series of prominent red-state Democrats, most notably Ben Nelson, Kent Conrad and Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, have endorsed Obama. When I asked a Democratic Congressional candidate in the Deep South who he preferred at the top of the ticket, he didn't hesitate: "Obama is absolutely the better candidate. Hillary brings a lot of sting; he takes some sting out of them."


<snip>

Link: http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20080218&s=hayes

Now...if ya don't like the right, and ya don't like the left... that means...

Hello Lieberman!

:wtf:
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:35 PM
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16. Ah the Billary slur. How eloquent.
Not!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:37 PM
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19. Pssst...Did You Bother To Read It ???
Just wonderin.

And when did Billary become a slur? Two for the price of one, eh?

:shrug:
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:23 PM
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26. It has always been a slur. That "name" is the reason
I coined the name "Pollybama" and "Bam-Bam". Which do you like better?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:27 PM
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27. No... Not Read The Word "Billary", Read The Article
Thanks in advance.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:33 PM
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13. Sully ain't nuthin' but shit and neither is his advice.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:34 PM
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14. Here it comes...."ANDREW SULLIVAN IS A BIG POOPY HEAD!"
...wait for it....
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:35 PM
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17. Yeah...Funny All The Recommendations, No ???
Must be for the hillarity of it all.

:rofl:

:wtf:

:hi:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:34 PM
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15. Andrew is notorious for his poor judgment. Time will tell if he was up to his usual. NT
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:37 PM
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18. Yup- it's the "best" of both worlds- polarization, but without the positives of strong leadership!
Whoohoo! YEAH CLINTON 2008!
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:46 PM
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20. How sad. Advice from this conflicted gay traitor with delusions of acceptance from his masters.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 09:47 PM by Neshanic
Really. Your support of Obama is not helped by using advice from a dangerous sex troll that has issues that only with years of seeing a shrink would help.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:02 PM
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22. 1st) Did You Bother To Read It ??? - 2nd) Gay Traitor and Sex Troll ???
You have links to the above accusations I presume?

:wtf:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:04 PM
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23. Wow, either you are not gay or you have no idea who this guy is.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:11 PM
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24. True... Not Gay, But Did You READ The Article ???
Or does your verdict on Andrew relieve you of such bother?

:shrug:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:27 PM
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28. Yes I did now you read this before putting up stuff from people like Sullivan.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020408/alterman

And that's a kind article about him.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:40 PM
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29. LOL !!! - Yeah, I Remember Reading That...
But hasn't Mr. Sullivan sort of, ya know, grown up since then?

I really do not follow him at all. But it seems like he's figured out that he was snookered in the run up to war, no?

:shrug:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:43 PM
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30. He has not changed. He just goes with the flow. The one that gets him the most.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:44 PM
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31. Ok...I'll Take Your Word For It, Yet His Analysis Mirrors Many Others...
But maybe that is the current flow he's going with.

:shrug:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:50 PM
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21. I'm curious about why Republicans are so eager for Obama
to be the nominee. I chalked it up to Obama being the alternative to Hillary who they hate. But they are even saying positive things about Obama.

One troubling sign is that the right and the left share talking points. Hillary does about as well against McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, as Obama does. Yet Republicans and Obama supporters keep repeating the myth that Obama does better in polls.

RealClearPolitics.com 2/2/07

General Election: McCain vs. Clinton
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Clinton (D) Und Spread
RCP Average 01/09 - 01/31 - 46.6 44.9 7.2 McCain +1.7

General Election: McCain vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Obama (D) Und Spread
RCP Average 01/09 - 01/31 - 44.4 43.3 9.3 McCain +1.1

Obama has less than a 1% advantage against McCain. Keep in mind, that Hillary has been under constant assault from the media and the far left and the Republicans for a year now. Obama hasn't been touched yet. Once the media and the Republicans and potentially the far left turns against Obama, how well will he do? Five points worse? Ten points worse?

The Obama electability claim is a myth.





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Aussie leftie Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:17 PM
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25. If Barack Obama is "your man"
then Hillary is "your woman"
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:46 PM
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32. This guy voted for Bush. NEXT
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:10 PM
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33. I have no reason to trust Sullivan.
He's as anti-Clinton as Sean Hannity. The Democrats will screw things up by nominating the untested Obama.
Sully is not one whom I trust on anything.
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