Clinton was my third choice because she was female which means special electability issues.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

But it became obvious she was stronger than the other candidates including on electability.

Stronger on national security, stronger debater, stronger strategic thinker, stronger politician, more disciplined. She had to win me over first as a competent president (never really doubted that much) and then on electability. Done.

Obama would be chewed up and spit out dealing with the same level of scrutiny and attacks and he'd go into the general election crippled as a McGovernite "anti-war" candidate. Clinton is superbly positioned on every issue and the most electable Democrat.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. You're a fucking machine, aren't ya?

[neutron]

23. Here Here!!

[OneSelf]

2. Hi!

Do you support Hilary or do you support the Democratic Party?

[gateley]

8. Welcome to DU, OneSelf!

:hi:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. "McGovernite"? You do know that McGovern endorsed Hillary, don't you?

But you just can't help pulling stuff out your ass...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

4. I like McGovern except as a candidate type.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. "Candidate type." What does that mean?

I campaigned for McCarthy in 1968, McGovern in 1972 and for Paul Wellstone much later. If that's what you mean by "candidate type," I wish there were more of them.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. "anti war" presidential candidates. They lose.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Got it. So I should vote for your waffling, IWR, Kyle-Lieberman voting candidate instead

while the killing goes on in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or should I just accept the antiwar-loses meme, go all the way and vote for McCain?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

24. vote for the one who didn't waffle but said the same thing Kerry and Edwards said

that their vote was a mistake knowing what they know now.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Edwards apologized for his IWR vote. Obama was against the war. Hill still won't admit she was wrong

and voted for Kyle-Lieberman.

Thanks, but I'll stick with the "McGovernite" types.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

16. Are pro-war proponents "candidate types"?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

20. in presidential elections it's "anti war" and "patriotic"

[HCE SuiGeneris]

29. what is?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

36. the way it's played in the MSM and ALSO in voter minds. was ever thus

[Alexander]

5. Got it. You're voting for Hillary because she's a woman. What a great reason.

:eyes:

Thankfully I have much better reasons to support Obama. And none of them have anything to do with race or gender.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

7. more like in spite of it (electability issues men don't have) but thanks for playing

[Alexander]

12. No point in discussing things with you.

Go back under your bridge.

[bellasgrams]

30. Alex-if it's not race or gender, what is it. That's all he has going

for him. He doesn't have the personality, experience, or overall knowledge to be Pres. He's got star power because he's the first black man to run and appeals to young people. He's been in the senate a couple of years, no economic esperience and that's a necessity with the shape of the US right now. No foreign policy experience. He hasn't traveled abroad and represented our country. He has a good education, that's his biggest plus. But he says one thing then tries to waffle out of it when he gets called on it. I'm sick of his blaming Bill C and making remarks critizing him to get himself out of a fix. BC was a good Dem Pres. and dems. on this board should stop attacking him. I will come back and bite us in the GE.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

31. "I will come back and bite us in the GE."

:spray: :rofl:

[Kittycat]

10. Oh look, a cute kitty

[mckeown1128]

18. I hate to say it but....

that is not a cute cat. lol That is one ugly pussycat. :evilfrown:

[cali]

11. Anyone who doesn't grasp that they are BOTH electable

if an ignorant fool. Obama is likely more electable as he doesn't inspire repukes to go out and vote.

[Quantess]

13. I disagree that she's the most electable.

John Edwards was. But now that he's out, Obama is the most electable. Not because they are male. I think in the future, a woman could be elected. But not Hillary Clinton, not this time. There is too much venom toward her. I would vote for her, but I'd rather vote for Obama. I am female, but Obama is my first choice.

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[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. lol

not bad

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. The fate of your funny little buddy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=213400

[HCE SuiGeneris]

19. WTF?

Are you always such a sexist fuck head?

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[orleans]

26. !

[Tweed]

22. "Clinton was my third choice because she was female which means special electability issues"

So you have terrible logic. No surprise here!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

25. you should be able to follow along.

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[Withywindle]

32. Wow. So you're a sexist too. Nice.

Newsflash: If lots of "good progressives" start bumping candidates to the back of their mental bus because "a _________ has 'special electability issues," you might think you're being smart and pragmatic, but you're really doing the misogynists'/racists'/homophobes' etecetera WORK FOR THEM!

[5X]

34. For them? or as one of them? n/t

[Withywindle]

37. Hard to tell the difference, isn't it?

And honestly, I'm into results, so I don't really care.

If you won't vote for Obama because you're worried about all those OTHER people who won't vote for a black man, end result is the same: you voted against a black man because he's black.

If you won't vote for Clinton because you're worried about all those OTHER people who won't vote for a woman, end result is the same: you voted against a woman because she's female.


Same reason I get so fed up with my far lefty friends who won't vote at all because it "supports the system": they're all statistically indistinguishable from the millions who couldn't bear to be parted from their couches and Cheetos for an hour and think voting on American Idol is more important.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

35. Do you think someone should vote for a candidate they think will lose

if the candidate's race or gender is a disadvantage in a race when other issues are at stake

[Withywindle]

40. I think people should vote for the candidate they think best represents their concerns.

That's what primaries are FOR.

I voted for Kucinich in the '04 primary, although I knew damn well he was going to lose. (I'm in Illinois, which was way after Super Tuesday four years ago.) I knew Kerry was already chosen, and I was fine with that--I liked and respected him and still do. I cast that vote because I wanted to make my little statement in favor of some of Kucinich's ideas being taken seriously.

But my first vote EVER as soon as I was old enough, was for Jesse Jackson in the '88 primary in GA, where I was on a college internship. Yes, I knew he wouldn't win, ultimately. I was still thrilled.

To favor a white man by default over anyone else regardless (no matter how it's framed) is to perpetuate the same old shit. I don't know how you don't see that.

[BootinUp]

33. I was awhile coming around to her as well.

I did not openly express her as my choice early on because I hoped Wes Clark would run, and also I was afraid she would not be the strongest candidate in the GE. By around September or so I saw that I had misjudged her ability to win. She can appeal to moderates and independents and there has been poll evidence to back that up. It is not surprising to me that independents are siding with Obama in a primary. They will come around to Hillary once they know the real Hillary, not the caricature that they know from all the smears from the right. And they already know she is competent and ready to be President.

I have always defended her on DU and elsewhere because I always trusted her decision making and I respect her for all the work she has done for Amercians.

[NJSecularist]

38. Who were your other two candidates?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

39. Edwards until I determined he didn't spend enough time on national security, then Obama

until I determined there wasn't anything backing up his rhetoric