My wife, a trail lawyer, just told me if it's Hillary vs. McCain

[redstateblues]

that she will vote for McCain. She has been about as reliably Democratic as I have over the years. There is a tremendous dislike for Hillary out there that I think is very troubling. I wish it weren't so but it's real.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. Uh oh.... I detect right wingerism in here....

Who else would vote for a REPUKE for godssakes?????????

[John Q. Citizen]

21. I won't vote for Hill, but I won't vote for a Repo, either. I'll write in Gore of Kucinich if Hill

is the nominee.

And yes, there are a lot of people, both registered Dems and independents who absolutly won't vote for Hill. The OP is right about that.

Hill is a full blown hawk. She knew she was voting to invade and occupy a sovereign nation who posed zero threat to the US, regardless of her cynical cover-her-ass- signing statement.

That's what hawks do. They vote for war, they go to war, they wage war.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

58. Okay, I have a question for you........

What's your record of voting for presidents? Who all have you voted for in the past? (If you don't have any problem with divulging that).

[John Q. Citizen]

92. In Highschool I worked on the McGovern campaign but was too young to vote,

I voted For Carter twice, Mondale, Dukakas, (lived in CA during those elections) and Clinton Twice, (in MT) I voted for Nader in 2000 (it was stratigic, MT wasn't in play, if I'd lived in a swing state I would have voted Gore. My only regret was that Nader screwed over the Greens. I still like Nader as a human, but wouldn't vote for him again) and Kerry.

Registered Dem my whole life.

But I'm considering switching to indepdendent, because I can't see any down side too it. I can still vote in Dem primaries, and I think the right wing of the Dem party needs to know that progressives can't be counted on to be shit on and then fall in line for the DLC backed candidate. As an independent, they could actually be much more aware of and accomodating of my issues, since they are always talking about the need to reach out to independents. That would be nice for a change.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

97. Ok. Thank you. nt

[Frances]

81. In 2000 I heard people say the exact same things about

Gore that they are now saying about Hillary. It's funny to me that in 2008, Gore has become the anti-corporation person when he was accused of being the corporation friendly candidate in 2000. Gore didn't change; it was just that a lot of voters were wrong.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

99. Doesn't it make sense that Republican plants would've been doing the same thing to Gore? nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

139. I think perhaps you protest too much?

I have read several threads now where you've accused DU'ers of being rightwing plants, you even felt the need to start a whole thread about it. So is this the new tactic? Anyone who doesn't agree with your "alleged" admiration for HRC, will be labelled? I see this as a very dangerous tactic on your part; either you want to stifle any "perceived" negative discussion or dissent re: HRC, or you really are the "rightwing plant" who's projecting?

I, too, have not decided what I'll do if Hillary is the nominee & I don't plan to sign any loyalty oaths if that's okay with you. Funny how you were only offended at what you termed "bashing" of HRC, but your concern seemed to be completely one-sided.

[UALRBSofL]

158. I'm a staunch Hillary supporter

And believe in her. But, I would never, and I mean never, sell myself short on the idea that I would refuse to vote Obama if he is the nominee. If you want to be under the control of the GOP for four more years with a Bush Lite then by all means don't vote for Hillary if by chance she is the nominee.

[Tarheel_Dem]

180. I'll say again....NO loyal oaths for me..

and threatening people who refuse to fall in line, is just more fearmongering. I am sick & tired of being told to be fearful of this and that. I want something I can believe in, and for me, that is not Hillary.

[still_one]

192. and I am an Obama supporter, but I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election /nt

[John Q. Citizen]

104. Gore won. And he did substantially change his views. He announced his support of

single payer health insurance in 2002, a dramatic shift from his previous views.

He cut ties with the DLC and opposed them on their foreign policy stances.

The reason he won in 2000 is he shifted to a much more populace stance for the last 6-8 months of his campaign directly in opposition to the advice of the DLC consultants.

I don't think Gore is now "anti-corporation," but he is decidedly leas corporate friendly.

[water]

100. Close your eyes and imagine either Hillary or Obama in offfice.

Do you really see a difference in policy?

[John Q. Citizen]

113. I think we would see some difference in policy. Our foreign policy would be less belligerent

Hillary is a hawk, and has pretty much signed onto the precepts, if not the details of PNAC

I also see a major difference in the ability to lead. Hillary will be cheered by the 29%-35% of the die hard Hillary lovers, while the rest of the country will feel very uneasy and quite resistant.

Obama will be able to mobilize a large portion of the population to actually put pressure on congress to get his policies enacted.

But beyond that, I fear if Hillary gets the nomination that she is unelectable as president. I know I won't do anything to get her elected. She completely disses the grass roots, It's got to be her way or the highway. So I'm choosing the highway.

[BringBigDogBack]

141. My plan as well

Hillary is unacceptable.

[UTUSN]

51. So she lawyers for T R A I L S ?!1 n/t

[burythehatchet]

70. You are about as right wing conservative a person as I've encountered

because for people like you its about black or white, ther can be no nuance. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to be open to differeing views. I believe that you daily, constant b;eatings that everyone else is a Republican is actually projection. Probably the only reason you aren't a registered Republican is you might lack cash.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

103. For me it is black and white. Either you find the BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME that can be had......

... AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME for the helpless, elderly, homeless, and those who suffer the most, or you are SCREWING them royally.

However, since I think Republican plants are the ones making up the attacks on both, Obama and Hillary, none of this is very important is it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Many democrats, even life long democrats, that do not like her

she has way, and I mean this WAAAYYYYYY too many negatives.

Why do you think Fox started pushing her the day after the 2006 midterms were over?

McCain vs Hillary is their dream come truth.

[dflprincess]

116. If Clinton is the candidate the only choice we have is between

Republican and Republican-Lite. And I don't see where the choice is much better if Obama is the candidate.

I was so looking forward to 2008, but it's turned into an awful disappointment.

[Desertrose]

190. Hasn't it though?

I'd say a bitter disappointment...but I'm really not all that surprised.

Sad but not particularly surprised at our (lack of) choices.

[jazzjunkysue]

123. She might as well be a republican, for all of her voting.

If you're voting for Hilary, you're just a few hairs left of a republican, in my book.

[UALRBSofL]

152. You got that right/Freeper

Regardless who it is we don't need or want a GOPer in office. That is MADNESS.

[greenbriar]

2. and people thought i was lying when I said people I knew

who were leaning heavily towards Edwards said the same thing...

[patrice]

11. All of the Edwards supporters I know will vote Democratic no matter what.

They regard the other two choices as the Same, so there is no need to support anyone but Edwards, since we're going to get ignored anyway, by two candidates who are essentially the same to us on our issues.

Count the vote > Paper Ballots now!

[provis99]

25. well all the Edwards voters I know simply won't vote if Clinton is the nominee

I'll see your meaningless anecdote and raise you one.

[patrice]

50. Typical. You are telling me what is meaningful to me?

Such f-ing predictable petulance, you'd think one would be embarassed to display such petty BS.

"I'm not your monkey."

:rofl:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

62. So you're voting for McCain then? Interesting. I'm sure the elderly in poverty will thank you

tremendously. nt

[Frances]

117. I actually voted for Edwards in the 2004 primary

and I will DEFINITELY vote for Hillary in the general if she is the nominee.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

60. The only people I know who will vote Repuke, are Repukes. nt

[patrice]

66. Anyone who says they won't vote for a Democrat isn't a Democrat.

And this kind of remarks about Hillary and Obama are what we have to expect from all of the Cross-overs, "Independents", and bipartisanship that's being pedaled.

What I want to know is what is it all going to come down to AFTER the election???????????????

[Sarah Ibarruri]

71. EXACTLY! Democrats don't vote for Republicans. nt

[Marr]

82. Ever heard of Reagan Democrats...?

You know, the sort of people the DLC is designed to appeal to? If you don't think they're real Democrats, then... well, actually I'd agree with you. They aren't.

[Big Blue Marble]

134. Say what you want. There are lots of Democrats

and I mean real life long Democrats that would not could not vote for Hillary Clinton.

They are not going to accept having her shoved down their throats. And that is why
we should not nominate her. She would split the party and cost us the Congress if
not in 08 in 10.

[UALRBSofL]

159. You said a mouthfull

And if you think Hillary is a Republican lite your dead wrong. Obviously looking at both Hillary and Obama's issues they are similar abd if that makes her a Bush Lite it makes Obama a Bush Lite. It's just a way for a person to discredit her.

[patrice]

And I heard an Obama supporter on talk radio say his second pick is McCain.

The talk show host was talking about Florida.

[Frances]

3. Unfortunately, my husband has said the same thing

However, I am pretty sure I can talk him out of it because when it comes to issues, McCain is just so bad.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

64. What's his reason for wanting a Republican? Hasn't he had enough punishment? nt

[Frances]

86. My husband isn't political at all

Like McCain, he was a Navy fighter pilot who saw combat.

I don't see the point in trying to persuade my husband of Hillary's strengths unless she wins the nomination.

If Obama wins, I won't have any educating to do because my husband already likes him.

Personally, I think Clinton would be the more competent at managing the job of President. I also think she would fight harder for liberal causes than Obama.

On the other hand, I think Obama would have a long honeymoon with the media, whereas Hillary would have no honeymoon.

I think younger voters are enthusiastic about Obama and that's a good thing.

[conservdem]

4. I very well may to the same. I am supporting Obama now.

[patrice]

5. I run across similar pig-headedness about Obama.

FYI: I can call them pig-headed because it is Family.

[havocmom]

6. the strong dislike is real

I hear the same thing from some surprising places myself. Even heard several life long Republicans say they could vote (in the GE) for ANY of the DEMS originally running except Kucinich or Clinton.

[John Q. Citizen]

40. I'm surprised they even knew who Kucinich is. With Clinton, it's visceral, just like we feel

about bush. It's 'i don't want to have to watch that woman on TV for the next four years.'

Here in MT, unless I'm speaking to a news junky lefty, nobody even knows who Kucinich is. They say, "Who?"

[jkg4peace]

129. It was the UFO story in the Wall Street Journal --

Kucinich is a household name now. In 2012, it'll be a good thing. I hope.

[mwb970]

143. Hillary-hatred has much less basis than bush-hatred.

it's visceral, just like we feel about bush.

Sorry, but my hatred for bush is not "visceral". I hate him in a highly rational manner for seven plus years of unconstitutional, un-American, illegal acts. For the wars, and the debt, and the lying, and the cronies. For destroying my country's reputation in the world. For increasing the danger of terrorism. These are genuine offenses against our nation.

What on earth has Hillary done wrong that could possibly compare to the endless litany of bush's vile crimes? Any American with a brain who loves his country will naturally hate bush, as well over 50% of Americans already do.

Hillary is a Senator who is widely seen as effective and has been re-elected by large margins in NY, receiving many Republican votes.

Right-wing wackos hate Hillary viscerally and irrationally, despite her record, not because of it. I hate bush rationally, for what he has done. And that's the difference.

[UALRBSofL]

161. I've talk to many people

that are republicans here in florida and some have said they would vote for Hillary but with Obama they wouildn't because he doesn't have the experience.

[annie1]

184. cuz they don't want REAL change.

[Flubadubya]

7. Your wife will vote against her own best interests?

I thought trial lawyers were a pretty smart bunch... :shrug:

[Skittles]

8. with all due respect

that is just f***ing disgusting

[BeatleBoot]

19. No shit.

[Swamp Rat]

28. Isn't this the same thing posted a few days ago by someone else?

'I'm a Democrat, and so is my wife, but she hates Hillary so much she will vote for McCain.'

[Warren Stupidity]

91. Yup.

Here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"McCain scares me as a candidate. For one, my wife has said she will vote for him over Hilary. And she is a reliable liberal"

I smell canned talking point.

[Hepburn]

174. LMBO

A Ford Maverick! How perfect! :rofl:

[HughMoran]

59. Agreed

How many people are going to post useless information like this.

This is "Democratic Underground", not "significant others that hate Hillary" underground. I swear, if I see another fucking post like this (go to GDP if you need more of this) I'm just going to hide them unread.

[Skittles]

73. I know such people exist

it's the ones who claim they are Democrats but would now vote for a repuke over Hillary that disgust me beyond belief

[HughMoran]

76. It is disgusting and I don't see how it is productive

What the fuck good does it do to promote the meme that Hillary can't win against McCain? What if she is the nominee?

[0007]

110. Yes!! that's goddamn good advice. Hide them all unread. Good idea!

[jhain]

168. Thanks, Hugh

I'm with you. And, as we Dems waste valuable time on these piss poor pissing matches we can rest assured that the rethugs are planning and organizing and calling and mailing and .......

[JanMichael]

88. Holy shit! I thought that you were history.

For something you posted like 2 or 3 years ago. About dead soldiers or something else so "dramatic". If I'm wrong I'm sorry I'm drunk...

Welcome back I sure wish they'd be so gracious with with wife who got banned for calling out stupid mod behavior. Nothing so slanderous as dissing dems or killing babies.

[Skittles]

94. ? are you talking to me?

I honestly don't know to what you are referring - I'm a military veteran who would never disparage deceased troops.

[JanMichael]

101. Sorry it was someone else with an "S" name.

My bad. Once again I was thinking of someone else.

[Skittles]

115. ooh, I've done that, confused DUer names

yes INDEED :o

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. so, she wants conservative supreme court justices appointed

And to be in Iraq for 100 years. And Clinton and Obama have nearly identical stances on the issues.

Interesting. I do not understand that complete hatred for a person that would cause someone to go against their democratic ideals like that.

But, the more I see of Obama, the angrier I am at him. I am having a hard time forgiving him for using race to garner the votes in SC. It was worse than any political trick I have ever seen. But, still, given that, I would look at the bigger picture and see that McCain would send this country further down the porcelain path.

[DemGa]

17. The SCOTUS should be enough

I simply cannot comprehend this way of thinking. It's quite bizarre.

[annie1]

182. FORCE ME TO BEAR CHILDREN. ANYTHING BUT THE BAD MEAN LADY HILLARY!

[DemGa]

10. Maybe it was all the right-wing attacks

or maybe the fringe left-wing attacks.

[enid602]

12. sons

I sure hope you all don't have any teenage sons.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. Oh god. It drives me crazy.

This wrongheaded yet persistent view that McCain is a moderate. He consistently gets 100% ratings from every gawdawful wingnut group out there, save the immigration nuts. But even before the "amnesty" debacle he was viewed as a moderate and a maverick. Even by a lot of Democrats.

To be honest, this will be a problem no matter who our nom is. I worry about Clinton a little more because she brings so many wingnuts out.

[JerseygirlCT]

24. I was the unhappy recipient of a chain e-mail about McCain today

all railing against what a liberal he is.

Of course, in CT, that will only help him. We're not too into "social conservatives" in these parts. But throw a liberal or even republican at them, and the Dems have a real contest.

It troubles me, too. This is not a moderate man, either personally or politically.

[patrice]

57. I think he is weird, maybe even psychotic.

Higher than an f-ing kite in a couple of interviews after the SOTU. Drunk probably on being crowned Bush's heir, since her BuShitler used McCain's stump speech. McCain gets the Royal nod because he's the surest bet that the Occupation of Iraq and other Private Wars will continue to be subsidized by the People of this country. Socialism for War Contractors = VOTES.

[John Q. Citizen]

48. The fundeis hate McCain, but they hate Clinton more. If she's in they will hold their nose

to vote against her.

Yep, you are right about that.

[JeanGrey]

67. You are right. They do hate McCain, but not like they hate

Hillary. For all their posturing they will vote against her when push comes to shove.

[billbuckhead]

14. I know many Republicans who like Hillary and want to vote for her

[mwb970]

142. Even Ann Coulter has endorsed Hillary over McCain.

If it is Hillary vs. McCain, we will have an unprecedented situation in which a sizeable number of Republicans literally hate their own candidate, and a sizeable number of Democrats hate their own candidate.

Will "crossover" votes determine the outcome, as many Americans choose to vote for a party that they hate to avoid voting for a candidate of their own party who they also hate?

Lots of hate this time around.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

15. Your vote will cancel hers out

Won't it?

[Donkeykick]

16. I'm planning on...

canceling her vote with mine.:P ;)

[hlthe2b]

18. Good God.... Is this disruptor night?

Like we'd believe any true Democratic Trial (or 'Trail' as the case may be) lawyer would vote for McCain.


Sell that one elsewhere....:eyes:

[OKNancy]

20. God's honest truth, my husband said he would vote for McCain

if Obama was the nominee.
I told him I would divorce him if he did (lol). He won't do it, but he can't stand Obama.

[John Q. Citizen]

53. Won't matter in the slightest. You are in a solidly red state that won't go to any Dem, period.

[clydefrand]

22. Please tell me what you think it is

that people dislike about Hillary Clinton. What has she done other than vote for the authorization for going to war in Iraq, but not until she stated that going to war was a last resort AFTER the weapons inspectors got to do their jobs in Iraq, which they did not get to do. What besides this has she done that is so terrible in some of the minds of posters on DU? For the life of me I can't see it when I read about her; when I watch her and hear her speak. She's brilliant. There's not a candidate past or present who can talk off the cuff in such an informed manner about so many issues as she can.

[DemGa]

32. Yes, I'd like to know too. And it seems a very fair question...nt

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

46. I've heard from friends here in Arkansas

that they felt she came on too strong and gave them the impression that the smart Northerner was there to lord over the hicks and force her ideas on them. I have heard from some that she was rude to them personally. There are long memories in the Diamond State.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

43. Well, I can tell you why a few don't like her here in Arkansas

I don't pretend to explain why others do. What I've heard from native Arkansans and those who have lived here for at least 20 years is that they didn't like her manner or actions as First Lady of Arkansas. I was told by a couple that she was rude and pushy with her ideas. Apparently she ruffled a few feathers during her tenure here.

[clydefrand]

55. This is probably true...she's probably pushy...that's the

way one has to be if they want to get their ideas heard. Now if a man does that, he's not pushy, is he? Aain, women don't like pushy women; they don't want to be told what to do unless it's a man telling them what to do. I saw it when I was teaching...a male principal was fine, but not a female because most elementary teachers are female. Women can't stand having someone smarter...seemingly smarter telling them how to do things. Now where I'm from there are more female principals and they are more accepted.

As for being rude, when one doesn't know one personally, it's difficult to know if another is rude or if the person is just perceived that way. I know, I'm from the south. Some people in other parts of the country seem to be rude when I first meet them. But once I get to know their ways, I learn it's just another way from my own, but not rude.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

68. the pushiness was more because she was a Yankee

than because of her gender. Arkansas is a small state. And she was around for quite a few years. I just find it interesting that so many here are cool towards her and her candidacy.

[clydefrand]

85. Will we ever get over being Yankees and Rebels?

Someone recently asked me how I felt about Yankees knowing that I'm from VA. I have seen pushy Yankees, but I've also seen pushy southerners; etc. as well as very pushy Mongolians! And pushy Japanese and Chinese! Pushiness isn't something allocated only to Damn Yankees and that's coming from a southern gal...shuga! :-)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

108. As a woman, I don't take lightly being told that because I'm energetic and like my ideas to be heard

I'm "rude and pushy." I said a long time ago that Hillary Clinton would encounter the massive, rampant sexism in this country and that she should not run for that reason. This country is too F sexist to have a woman giving orders like a man.

[Frances]

118. When I told a couple from Arkansas that I liked Bill back

in 1992, they told me that Hillary was the one they liked.

[UALRBSofL]

165. Being an Arkansas but live in florida now

I had just the opposite feelings about her. She did a lot for children, education, and, healthcare while the first lady helping Bill. This is true, she did ruffle feathers but it was the republican branch of the arkansas legislation because of her progressive ideas. What can I say, she's a strong minded woman and for some reason it seems to threaten men.

[sendero]

56. "she stated:"

and you believe it?

Everyone here knew what Bush was going to do, but HRC, a Washington insider didn't know.

Lying politicians thrive on folks like you, gullible is too nice a word for it.

[JeanGrey]

69. I'll tell you. They view her as a woman who took shit off her

husband for years and was humiliated in the WH to get POWER. And they dispise her for it.

[clydefrand]

96. Don't understand this. How does Bill's

humiliating Hillary get her POWER? Do they despise her for taking the "shit" from him or for trying to get POWER because of it?

Why do we delve into the personal lives of our politicians so much that we can't appreciate the things of value they have contributed to society.

[JeanGrey]

186. Well I don't agree with them, but I think you get it.

They believe that Bill is a horn dog who was unfaithful to Hillary lots of times, not just with Lewinsky, which we all know. They believe she stood by him to ride his coattails into her own chance at the Presidency.

[John Q. Citizen]

75. It's different things for different people. For the average Joe independent

it's a visceral response, just like you get when you see bush on the tube. You can't understand how anybody in their right mind could vote for the guy. That's how your average Josephine independent/moderate to liberal Republican feels about Hillary. It's that lack of authenticity, just like you feel about bush. She makes their skin crawl.

For the folks on the left who can't stand Hill, it's the lack of authenticity, but it's also reinforced with her lies and pandering that they have taken the time to actually read about and understand.

At the same time Hillary has a dedicated following, just like what we call the 29%ers who love bush, who will love Hill no matter how many times she votes for war and then issues a signing statement to cover her ass. They will always love Hill no matter what, and can't for the life of them understand how anybody else couldn't love her also. It doesn't matter what information you supply these people with (just as with bush) they will love her till the day she dies. My guess is that you fall into the last category.

You will probably dismiss my analysis, and chalk it up to my being a hillary hater or some such thing, but honestly I'm trying to explain the dynamic to you as best I can. I've tried to reconcile a vote for Hill if it comes to that, but I can't because I know she's a hawk and was in favor of invading and occupying Iraq knowing full well they posed no danger to the US. I was personally and politically betrayed by her back in 93 when she kicked out the grass roots, invited in the insurance companies and held secret meetings behind closed doors to come up with her extremely complicated insurance industry friendly health care plan. The insurance industry betrayed her, and the country got nothing.

If you care to discuss facts, I would be happy to, but just like discussing facts with most bush 29%ers, I'm not sure facts will be discussed as much as emotions. I like many of the votes Hill casts, I realize her and Obama's voting records in the Senate since he got there are almost identical (Obama was my last choice, I went from Kucinich until he left, to leaning Edwards until he left, and am now supporting Obama) but it's his authenticity that I'm going with. He doesn't make my skin crawl. And he was courageous and smart enough to speak out forcefully against the invasion and occupation.

[clydefrand]

87. Thank you for your answer. I appreciate your input

to my question. I know exactly what you mean about Bush making my skin crawl when I see him and wonder why on earth would anyone vote for him. I can't say that I LOVE her, but I do like her and respect her intellect and her achievements. I don't personally know that she has reached where she is by being dishonest or pandering or whatever it might be called.

[patrice]

23. I'm sure she's a nice lady, but why does she like Job losses and the Draft? nt

[clydefrand]

37. Job loses? One of her strong points that she's tried to make

is find ways to provide more jobs in this country. Where have you heard her say otherwise? And for the draft? I haven't heard about that either, but IF we have to stay in a war or go to war no matter who is President, then why not have a draft. Why do we want only the middle and lower class to be the foot soldiers for the rest of the country? Why don't we have everyone, men and women, drafted to protect us? I'm against war unless we need to protect ourselves if diplomacy fails.

[patrice]

47. If she is going to vote for McCain, his Economic Policy is based on the recognition that

un-employment from jobs that went elsewhere is a fact of life. Those jobs are just gone and Americans should get used to it according to McCain. Does your wife watch the Repuglican "debates"?

[John Q. Citizen]

83. Did she say she was going to scap NAFTA? Where do you think the jobs went?

Why would we have to stay in a war? Because hill says so?

We invaded and occupied a county that posed no threat to us. No WMD. Osama hated Saddam. Saddam hated Osama. Why would we have to stay in a war. Who told you that? Hill?

[ingac70]

26. Her vote will just be offset by...

a Phil Valentine listener. They've been chatting on that show about voting Hillary over McCain.

[TahitiNut]

27. Appalachian Trail? Chisholm Trail?

:dunce: :silly:

[Flubadubya]

35. More likely snail...

:rofl:

[BeatleBoot]

29. Which Trails Does She Lawyer For?

Cumberland Gap...

Lewis and Clark...

[liberalla]

137. She works for the National Park Service, as a

roving trail attorney. She goes wherever the trail leads, oops I mean NEEDS her.

It's not an easy job. You spend a lot of time away from your family. I really have a great deal of respect for attorneys who follow this career path... or should I say trail?

[Jeanette in FL]

30. What's a trail lawyer?

Never heard of them before.

Does she represent squirrels, trailer parks or yellow brick roads?

Just wondering?

[BeatleBoot]

39. No edit yet, I'm going to wait for it.....

:popcorn:

[Jeanette in FL]

52. Pass that popcorn over here, please

Yes, I am waiting too. I didn't realize that he was still in the time limit to edit.

[clydefrand]

41. Trail Mix? Trail of the Lonesome Dove?

[undeterred]

78. There's a lot of scofflaws back thar on them trails

and sometimes they get caught and they need lawyers, who can be paid in trail mix.

[TheCowsCameHome]

31. Ask her if she could recommend any good divorce lawyers

Just kidding, just kidding.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. Same thing here

a co-worker said as much--and it has taken powerful persuasion to convince my husband not to vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nomination.

[MissDeeds]

34. Haven't we seen this before?

And what does being a trial lawyer have to do with anything? I'm a college professor. The guy who lives down the street washes cars at a dealership. Big deal. We all get one vote. (Or maybe not in the new world order.)

[BeatleBoot]

36. He said "Trail Lawyer" not "Trial Lawyer"

[MissDeeds]

45. Oops

I was anticipating a facility with words. My bad.

[UALRBSofL]

170. Did you actually bring up that group?

I about fell on the floor reading New World Order on my screen.

[Uben]

38. In Iraq for 100 years!

One fucking hundred years! That is what a McCain vote is for. Anyone who would even consider it is in no way a democrat anyway.
They are either lying to try to sway your vote or they are some sick individuals. I haven't even heard any republicans that want to be in Iraq for 100 years, except McCain.

I have a list of those here on DU that have said that, and I intend to hold them accountable after the election. If Clinton wins, and she IS the odds on favorite, then I can only assume they will vote for a republican. I will post that list, too. So, if you are one who chooses McCain over Clinton, please speak up. I will gladly add you to the list.

[Samantha]

61. Add me to your list - I am not voting for McCain but I will not vote

for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. I have been saying that here for about four years. Put my name at the top in a separate column entitled - Refused to Support the DLC Candidate.

[Uben]

74. I don't care if you don't vote

that is not a vote for a republican. I can understand you not wanting to vote if there is not a dem candidate that fits your ideology. But voting for a man that wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years is for those on the other side, not democrats.

Hillary is no more the DLC candidate than Obama is. Edwards was the one true progressive we had, but that option is now gone.

on edit: add Kucinich to the progressive list as well. I omitted him in error

[Samantha]

107. Bill Clinton has been more influential with the DLC than anyone else

since he left the presidency. Hillary Clinton's campaign strategy was to cut loose the liberal wing of the party, since the number of liberals is less than the number of disgruntled Republicans coupled with Independents she felt sure she could attract. I believe that deliberate decision to cut the liberals loose has been reflected in many of her positions on prominent issues, specifically Iraq.

But you are right, Edwards was the most progressive and I am very sorry he has elected to drop out.

[arewenotdemo]

136. What's the big deal? We've been in Korea for 50...

February 20, 2005
HILLARY JOINS NEO-CON WAR IN IRAQ

Hillary Clinton, who hopes to become president, is on the Sunday morning talk shows saying that our troops might be in Iraq for some time to come. "We've been in Korea for 50 years," she said. "We are still in Okinawa," she told the TV cameras. Right wing Sen Lindsay Graham (R-SC), sitting next to Hillary during the interview on Faze the Nation, chimed in that even though "Sen Clinton and I are on different ends of the political spectrum, we both agree that our troops will be here for a long time."

That is it. Pack up your bags peace movement and just go home. Hillary has made the pronouncement. She is in sync with George W. Bush, the neo-con crowd, Haliburton, Bechtel....she wants to be president and she knows that the road to the White House has to pass through the gates of the military industrial complex....and the oil corporations....and the globalization crowd that intends to create a "market economy" in Iraq (read privatization of everything there.) Hillary has totally sold out.

http://space4peace.blogspot.com/2005/02/hillary-joins-neo-con-war-in-iraq.html

Hillary got religion real late.

[midnight]

42. I'm an Edwards supporter, and I plan to vote for him in the

primaries. That said, in the G.E., it will be for the democratic primary winner. But My god, McCain. He is not better than Hillary. Nothing about him is remotely better than Hillary.

[clydefrand]

49. Agreed. It's a man thing, I think. There are some

men who don't believe a woman can do the job for whatever the reason no matter how qualified she may be, and there are too many woman (I'm an old woman so I can say this because I've seen it all my life) who are so jealous of a woman who is smart and is successful. They don't want a woman to be their "boss"; their egos can't stand it. I'm glad I'm not so narrow minded that I can't admire the achievements of women as well as men.

[El Pinko]

44. Why a longtime democrat would vote for an ultra-right-wing angry old fart...

...out of spite for Hillary is beyond me.

I don't particularly like Hillary, but I respect her and would vote for her over any repuke, especially a loon like McCain.

[Selatius]

54. Tell her NOT TO VOTE instead. That's better than voting MCCAIN!!!!! n/t

[DU9598]

63. Not a smart trial lawyer

Sorry to inform you ... as a trial lawyer, I would suggest to her that she talk to the political action team at the American Association for Justice. Or, perhaps she is a defense trial lawyer for an insurance company?

[Warren Stupidity]

95. You misunderstood, she's a trail lawyer.

She defends trails or perhaps hangs out on trails waiting for people to break their ankles or get eaten by a bear.

[annie1]

183. omg, lmao

[JeanGrey]

65. You'll get flamed but you are right.

I don't have a single girlfriend who will vote for her. NOT ONE.

[Caretha]

111. Just how many GFs do you have?

you big ol' guy you :)

[JeanGrey]

188. Twelve. And I'm not a guy. :-)

And about three republican girlfriends. They hate her anyway but the dems do too!

[DaveJ]

72. My wife is very pro Hillary...

Of course my wife is not a trial lawyer but a High School dropout. What does being a trial lawyer in the OP mean anyway???

[hootinholler]

77. I live near the Appalachian Trail, it needs representation.

Maybe they should hook up?

-Hoot

[DiamondJay]

79. why dont' you ask her WHY she doesn't like Hillary

and it will be some juvenile bullshit reason, and then you should convince her to care about issues, not character because ALL of these guys are POLITICIANS. its about who will do what is best for the country.

[JackBeck]

80. Inflammatory OP and not one contribution in over an hour.

Thought the transparency was to begin in 2001. I'm one your "trail".

[WoodyM]

84. Republican Slime Machine

The reason so many people hate Hillary Clinton but cannot tell you why is a tribute to the Republican slime machine. They have thrown so much on the wall, that some of it has stuck. Even back in Arkansas they were accused of drug running and murder. It never stopped and went from rude to murder. Ken Starr spent 90 million dollars and nine years investigating and thereby keeping such crap in the news. The only thing was that he lied about a consensual sexual relation. Just how many candidates could stand such an investigation such as this without damage even if nothing was true?

[paulk]

89. I don't believe you.

[Caretha]

112. Me either

I'm sick & tired of these so-called "dems" and their BS. I say we tar and feather them along with the criminal cabal in the WH. Infact, maybe we should practice on them first :)

[Warren Stupidity]

90. Gosh I'm having deja vu all over again.

Here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4284682&mesg_id=4284682

"McCain scares me as a candidate. For one, my wife has said she will vote for him over Hilary. And she is a reliable liberal"

I smell canned talking point.

[lonestarnot]

93. Your wife is an idiot. Divorce her.

[water]

98. Ann Coulter said the opposite!

[Warren Stupidity]

102. Obviously the OP is actually Ann Coulter.

[water]

106. Ann Coulter... + wife... = .......

[tsuki]

105. So, is she willing to let McCain appoint the next three supreme court

justices?

[mtnsnake]

109. So because she's a lawyer, that makes it OK?

Just wondering why it's so significant that you had to tell us she's a lawyer. Are they the last word on politics or something?

[TexasObserver]

119. Does she represent Round Ups, Chuck Wagons, and Cattle?

being a trail lawyer, I mean

----------------------------------------------

Ain't no trial lawyers voting for no Republican for presidink.

[Zynx]

120. My Dad, Mom, and sister may all vote McCain if Obama is the nominee over Clinton.

Different people have different leanings.

[jkg4peace]

131. Obama, Clinton, McCain - who cares?

A little to the left, a little to the right, same shit today, same shit tomorrow.

[Lex]

121. I'm a lawyer & a female & I don't feel that way at all.

So I don't know what her deal is, but it's nothing to do with being a lawyer or a women, per se.

Any woman who would vote for McCain over Hillary Clinton has some serious problems, imho.

[still_one]

191. I'm a guy and if any PERSON realizes that Scalia and Thomas like justices

will be appointed by the next President if the republicans win, has some real issues if they would support such a canidate

[madisongrace]

122. You wish......

[boston bean]

124. whats a trail lawyer? nt

[goldcanyonaz]

125. Fightin for the rights or trailers and RV's everywhere.

:rofl:

[ForRusty]

126. My wife the trial lawyer. I LAWLED IRL.

[fujiyama]

127. No offense

but your wife just doesn't seem to get what's at stake.

Maybe, the SC and other things don't matter to her. Or it doesn't bother her that he plans on continuing the neocon agenda in keeping the occupation going, or that his idiotic joking about bombing Iran are not becoming of a man that wants to be president, or that he admits himself that he doesn't know too much about economics...

McCain's appeal should be gone by now.

No, Hillary isn't a particularly great pick. I don't find her "likable", but she strikes as more than capable and competent and I don't see her finding the need to invade a country every couple of years.

All that said, I think there many millions more like your wife who just dislike Hillary for a multitude of reasons and nominating her is heading over a cliff. I have a bad feeling she'll be a drag on many House and Senate seats as well...

[Whisp]

128. my sister.

doens't pay much attention at all to all this.
talking the other day, she said she'd go for Clinton because of the 'woman' thing.

Only took me a minute to change her mind on that one.

[ErnestoG]

130. I need a trail lawyer. I got whacked by a nasty sage bush when I was hiking...

and I'm thinking damages, pain and suffering, maybe doctors bills comp.

[McCamy Taylor]

132. The problem with the internet, is you never know who is at the other end of the keyboard.

Like that poor girl whose "boyfriend" was really a neighbor and her daughter. If that girl had understood this lesson, she would not have committed suicide. So, I do not pay any attention to stuff I read that depends upon the purported identity of the poster. I am more inclined to pay attention to logic, reasons, polls, stuff like that.

No offense intended.

[ErnestoG]

133. In this case, I really think it might be John Wayne.

[McCamy Taylor]

138. OMG! The Duke's a zombie! I love a good zombie flick!

[TheWatcher]

135. This tired shit again?

This is like the third thread I have seen this week with this lovable meme.

"My wife, who is a reliable Liberal..."

"My wife, who has always been reliably Democratic....."

Three different posts that sound like they came from the same script.

But then again, who knows, maybe people's wives are just going insane.

Or they aren't Democrats to begin with.

Or maybe this is just childish Hit and Run Bullshit.

By the way, I didn't know trails needed lawyers....

Thank You For Playing.

[Hoof Hearted]

140. Find a new wife.

This one is obviously not that bright.

[bluestdogest]

144. I'm not surprised. Many Dems will vote for McCain if the choice is

him or Clinton.

As for me, I would have a hard time voting for either.

[Snarkoleptic]

176. Sell crazy elsewhere...

Nobody around here is buying this shit.

DUers have sufficient critical thinking skills to know-
McCain is the perpetual war candidate.
No matter how you package him, he's a 'pug.
He's intellectually inferior to the Dem. candiates.
He's admitted he knows very little about economic issues.
War hero or not, the guy's unstable and easily comes unglued.
McCain will certainly stack the SCOTUS as per the Repug. agenda.
Any one of the Dem. candidates would be a better POTUS than McCain.
This is a Dem. board and not a forum conceived to facilitate the election of another freekin' 'pug.
(and after just 21 posts?!?! BWAAAAA HAAAAA)
<rant/off>

[Vinca]

145. This is why running Hillary is extremely risky. She's polarizing

within the party, not to mention between parties. If she's the candidate, I'll vote for her and I hope others will, but I'm not optimistic at her chances.

[UALRBSofL]

173. I believe she would defeat any republican

If it turns out she is the nominee. It's almost like "I am a woman and have strong opinions but because I do I'm being called a bitch and and noone will vote for me". That's the impression your giving people. It's really not fair but this is a free country.

[Vinca]

179. I caught a new poll this morning - I think it was on ABC -

showing she would lose to McCain by 3 pts. and Obama would beat McCain by 3 pts. By the way, how do you interpret what I'm saying into "Hillary is a bitch???" The dimmest bulb on the planet acknowledges she's divisive. For the record, I don't think she's a bitch.

[mwb970]

146. I, for one, will never vote for a Republican. Ever.

Even on those rare occasions that the R's put up a "good" candidate for some office, I would still go with the Dem. The problem with Republicans is the way they band together, thinking, speaking, and voting in lockstep as if they were remotely controlled from Wacko Central. Even a "good" R is immediately brainwashed and forced to join the Sheep Brigade whether s/he wants to or not.

It's just too risky. I'll keep voting non-Republican, thanks.

[onenote]

147. ask your wife if she wants justices like Ginsburg and Breyer or like Scalia, Alito and Roberts

She's a lawyer. She should have some idea of the difference.

[Karmadillo]

148. All those years of schooling and that's the best she can do?

nt

[Hissyspit]

149. Well, no offense, but...

that's really short-sighted (read: stupid) of her.

She's a lawyer. She wants McCain picking Supreme Court justices?

She wants to reward the Republicans for the last eight years with the Presidency because she dislikes Hillary Clinton?

I have no empathy with that way of thinking at all.

[MonkeyFunk]

150. sorry you married an idiot

[cgrindley]

151. Your wife = moran

McCain is a Repuke. Anyone voting Repuke over a Democrat is a first rate moran.

[Chalco]

153. The depth of hatred for women is deeper than racism.

And this includes women hating women. Pathetic.

[pnwmom]

154. So? My elderly mother-in-law, who has ALWAYS been a Republican

will be voting from her retirement residence for HRC.

75% of women in NY state voted for her, including millions of Independent and even Republican women from the red parts of the state.

Too bad about your wife though. Maybe you should point her to McCain's recent statements about staying in Iraq for 100 years, and about the other wars he's expecting. There's also that great "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" you-tube piece performed by McCain (sung to the tune of the Beach Boys Barbara Ann.)

[cgrindley]

155. WTF is a "trail" lawyer? Does she specialize in parks?

Ha ha!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

156. Anecdotes Are Silly

That being said I can't see a trial lawyer voting Republican when thet are the party that is erecting obstacles to suing and are constantly vilifying trial lawyers...

But whatever...

[OneBlueSky]

157. the dislike/distrust of Hillary is not only wide, it is also deep . . .

it seems that every other person I talk to -- Democrat, Republican, or Independent -- has a strong dislike for Hillary Clinton, so strong in fact that nothing is going to change their minds . . . I've actually been quite surprised at the vehemence of this negativity, which seems to be both widespread and very deeply rooted . . .

[Serial Mom]

160. McCain was only a "fly boy"

and even though he was a POW, didn't have a clue as to what was happening on the ground in Nam... not like John Kerry and many others!

plus he has caved to dubya and the GOP many times recently

Why would ANYBODY in the Dem party want HIM to appoint judges in our court system????????????

[Jim Sagle]

162. Happy trails to you.

:rofl:

[demo dutch]

163. As a trial lawyer,she ought to know what direction the courts will take w/ McCain!Hardly a Democrat

McCain: convservative voting record 83%

[Froward69]

164. From where I sit...

The statement is the same... "I am all for a Woman as president. Just not THAT woman." This carries across all demographics.

[demo dutch]

166. I'm SMELLING A RAT!

[Yossariant]

167. I hear a lot of trail lawyers are voting for Obama

;-)

[smoogatz]

169. So, when's the divorce?

It's gonna cost you, her being a lawyer and all. But maybe you can demonstrate that she's completely lost her frickin' mind.

[UpInArms]

171. well, darlin' - here's a picture for you and yours that worth kazillions

Exhibit A for your trial lawyer wife:

[UpInArms]

172. and here's Exhibit B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

The Keating Five (or Keating Five Scandal) refers to a Congressional scandal related to the collapse of most of the Savings and Loan institutions in the United States in the late 1980s.

Following the deregulation of the banking industry in the 1980s, savings and loan associations (also known as thrifts) were given the flexibility to invest their depositors' funds in commercial real estate. (Previously, they had been restricted to investing in residential real estate.) Many savings and loan associations began making risky investments. As a result, the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, the federal agency that regulates the industry, tried to clamp down on the trend. In so doing, however, the FHLBB clashed with the Reagan administration, whose policy was deregulation of many industries, including the thrift industry. The administration declined to submit budgets to Congress that would request more funding for the FHLBB's regulatory efforts.

In 1989, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, Calif., collapsed. Lincoln's chairman, Charles H. Keating Jr., was faulted for the thrift's failure. Keating, however, told the House Banking Committee that the FHLBB and its former chief Edwin J. Gray were pursuing a vendetta against him. Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating.

This allegation set off a series of investigations by the California government, the United States Department of Justice, and the Senate Ethics Committee. The ethics committee's investigation focused on five senators: Alan Cranston (D-CA); Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ); John Glenn (D-OH); John McCain (R-AZ); and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D-MI), who became known as the Keating Five.

...more...

[1776Forever]

175. First I don't hate Hillary - I hate those that influence her - Murdock types that will cash in

I just cannot stand to be fooled again - at least with McCain we know what we will get - more of the same Bush crap! I just won't vote. I am not going to give my vote to the Corporatists any more! Hillary will keep going with NAFTA, CAFTA, and outsourcing programs plus the Communications Bill of 1996 - she is the one that aligned herself with Bill's policies.


:banghead:

[Snarkoleptic]

177. Are you really willing to cede the SCOTUS to the Right Wing?

[ShortnFiery]

178. Your wife is far from alone.

People do NOT trust HRC. :(

[annie1]

181. lol. because? why not just not vote for pres? She has to vote...

for what she doesn't believe in? in iraq for 100 and a pro-life scotus cuz she doesn't like hillary? alrighty then!

[Cleita]

185. I'm worried about it too, because of the Republicans running,

McCain can beat both Clinton and Obama.

[all.of.me]

187. My office manager said the same thing.

[still_one]

189. Then obviously your wife believe in supreme court justices like scalia and thomas

because that is what EVERY SINGLE republican candidate has said they would appoint

I am a rabid Obama supporter, but I do know the Supreme Court is at stake, and THERE IS A DIFFERENCE

[Jamastiene]

193. What is a trail lawyer aynow? n/t

[Bluebear]

194. Which trail does she represent, Appalachian?

[Jed Dilligan]

195. Dagnabbed trail lawyers

Always startin' an argument over chili beans, dogies, spurs, or somesuch...

[adapa]

196. My Husband said if it's Obama vs McCain, He'll vote for McCain

it goes both ways. He feels as tho Obama doesn't have international/military policy creds

[BootinUp]

197. Oh yeah real reliable Dem there. nt

[Jennos20]

198. Does she have a real reason for hating her??

I've talked to several people who say things like "I'll leave the country if HIllary wins", and when I ask them WHY they hate her so much they can never give me a reason. Why so much hatred?

[Cha]

199. Let's hope your wife

never has to do that!