Is it true that HRC campaign ripped off "Yes we can" and "Fired Up and ready to go"?

[ugdude]

I'm hoping not.

[ugdude]

1. I know her supporters are certainly stealing that phrase

How unoriginal. Come up with your own stuff. Don't take credit for other peoples work, that is not very nice.

Then again... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4346457

[neutron]

15. Krugman on Obama's Economic plan

Responding to Recession
by Paul Krugman

Suddenly, the economic consensus seems to be that the implosion of the housing market will indeed push the U.S. economy into a recession, and that it’s quite possible that we’re already in one. As a result, over the next few weeks we’ll be hearing a lot about plans for economic stimulus
Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here’s a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates’ characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy?
In fact, recent statements by the candidates and their surrogates about the economy are quite revealing.
Take, for example, John McCain’s admission that economics isn’t his thing. “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,” he says. “I’ve got Greenspan’s book.”
His self-deprecating humor is attractive, as always. But shouldn’t we worry about a candidate who’s so out of touch that he regards Mr. Bubble, the man who refused to regulate subprime lending and assured us that there was at most some “froth” in the housing market, as a source of sage advice?
Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani wants us to go for broke, literally: his answer to the economy’s short-run problems is a huge permanent tax cut, which he claims would pay for itself. It wouldn’t.
About Mike Huckabee — well, what can you say about a candidate who talks populist while proposing to raise taxes on the middle class and cut them for the rich?
And then there’s the curious case of Mitt Romney. I’m told that he actually does know a fair bit about economics, and he has some big-name Republican economists supporting his campaign. Fears of recession might have offered him a chance to distinguish himself from the G.O.P. field, by offering an economic proposal that actually responded to the gathering economic storm.
I mean, even the Bush administration seems to be coming around to the view that lobbying for long-term tax cuts isn’t enough, that the economy needs some immediate help. “Time is of the essence,” declared Henry Paulson, the Treasury secretary, last week.
But Mr. Romney, who really needs to take chances at this point, apparently can’t break the habit of telling Republicans only what he thinks they want to hear. He’s still offering nothing but standard-issue G.O.P. pablum about low taxes and a pro-business environment.
On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party’s policy agenda. He’s done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.
Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.
And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I’m sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that’s a bad thing, but there’s something to be said for presidents who know what they’re talking about.
The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?
Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.
For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.
In short, the stimulus debate offers a pretty good portrait of the men and woman who would be president. And I haven’t said a word about their hairstyles.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/07/krugman-attacks-obamas-l_n_75848.html

[BringBigDogBack]

2. Yes.

[jackson_dem]

3. The crowd chanted "Yes we can" in LA yesterday

In a related note, Obama ripped "hope" off of Edwards.

[ugdude]

4. Are you fucking serious?

HOW DARE THEY. What unoriginal hacks. Did you let them know that they were ripping off Obamas slogan?

Even her supporters are unoriginal.

[jackson_dem]

6. I wasn't there. I saw it on C-Span

[BooScout]

5. Actually they both ripped it off from Bill....

Who probably ripped it off from someone before him. Hope and change are not original to any politician in this day and age.

[jackson_dem]

7. Yup

[Name removed]

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[jackson_dem]

10. Clinton used "hope" and "change"

And surely many folks before him did. "Yes we can" came from Ceaser Chavez and mysteriously appeared in time for the Nevada caucus, a state with a large Latino population. "Fired up and ready to go" came from an Iowa woman who isn't famous.

[Dogmudgeon]

24. Are you serious? I mean, really?

"Yes we can" is an old union rallying cry. By "old", I mean about 150 years old.

"Fired up" is a colloquial phrase from Appalachia, and probably Ireland before that. I'd say 400 years, give-or-take.

Perhaps Hillary stole her blond hair from Marilyn Monroe, too.

:eyes:

--p!

[BooScout]

29. are you series?

'Fired up' and 'Ready to Go' were ripped off from high school cheerleaders. :rofl:

[Alexander]

14. Wow, "hope", there's a word that's never used in politics.

I mean, no politician ever used "hope" before John Edwards, did they? Nah, never.



:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

19. Alex, what is so hard for you to understand about post 7?

No wonder wyldwolf consistently mops the floor with you.

[Alexander]

22. Nobody "ripped off" the word hope. It's a word. You people are ridiculous.

I got post 7 just fine, thank you. Apparently your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired, as does your attitude.

No wonder you think wyldwolf's debate skills are exemplary. Yours are even worse.

:rofl:

[BooScout]

31. They seriesly need to change

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

32. What comment was post 3 made in response to?

[MadBadger]

21. C'mon, how did he rip off the Hope message from Edwards?

[jackson_dem]

42. It was a sarcastic reply to the OP

[Adelante]

38. Edwards invented the ark nt

[jackson_dem]

43. It's pointless to ask if you got the sarcasm

Even if you did you wouldn't miss a chance to take another swipe at that evil Johnnie! Did Johnnie kick your behind in court or something? :evilgrin:

[Skittles]

9. um.........ugdude?

you're not fooling anyone

[Dogmudgeon]

11. Get a grip, ugdude

You've been here all night whining about how unfair the world is to ugly people, yet you've spent a couple hours spreading ugly, malicious gossip about the candidate you don't like. Not one bit of evidence, but who needs evidence when they can cop an attitude?

You want ugly? THAT is ugly.

--p!

[ugdude]

12. Gossip? Um... even her supporters admit she stole the phrases

What more do you want me to say?

[ugdude]

13. The sad thing is, HRC supporters will probably think she came up with it

I want it on the record that Obama came up with it. I want it noted.

[DUyellow]

18. LOL, you are so right

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

20. LOL! Ok, let me just make a note of that

:eyes:

You find the damnedest things to get your knickers twisted over.


Just so I can keep track of your meteoric rise on DU, lemme know if you are off the ugly guy-bald guy griping. I can't wait till you move past stuff that people yell at rallies and move on to your next big thing.

[DUyellow]

16. Sounds like it to me...

[sandnsea]

17. Do you not know the "fired up" story?

Yes We Can is United Farm Workers. Obama got the culinary endorsement in NV and started using it there, with permission. Hillary got the actual UFW in CA, so her use is legitimate there.

Fired UP! Ready to Go!

Totally Obama. "Change Agent", totally trying to play off Obama. And since they can't figure out what to do with "hope", they ridicule it.

It's the most pathetic campaign I've seen in years and the only hope they would have is running against the even more pathetic McCain or Romney.

I do not know why we are doing this to ourselves.

[ugdude]

23. Obama said Yes He Can in NH speech

So no, she stole it from him. Dont you remember that speech?

[sandnsea]

26. It's an old old UFW slogan

Nobody "owns" it, except the Cesar Chavez family actually, iirc.

It's just you believe him when he says it. :)

[cooolandrew]

27. It's been Barack's slogan for a long time he said it back in illinois.

[CarbonDate]

35. I'm not really concerned.

The trend we're continually seeing is that, when measured up one-on-one, Sen. Obama makes huge gains against Sen. Clinton's leads, which are largely based on name recognition. In states where he hasn't outright overcome them, he's come within single digits.

When people pay attention, they usually find that they like Sen. Obama a lot better than they like Sen. Clinton. Not always, I'll grant you, but Sen. Obama shows huge upside, whereas the predictions that the level of support Sen. Clinton garnered early was absolutely the best she could do have been panning out.

If Sen. Clinton doesn't win big on Super Tuesday, then we're on the verge of an historic upset.

[cooolandrew]

25. Not to fear she can keep that one, We're creative on Team Obama we'll find something new...

... Although hard to say it isn't Barack's slogan with a song to accompany it now. Nice to see even HRC is inspired by the Barack movement.

[ugdude]

28. I know. I just hate it when people take other peoples creative work and claim it as their own

"Obama had the balls to speak out against the war at a time when it was unpopular to do so
Unlike Clinton, who apparently couldn't be bothered to do any research to determine what she was voting for in the IWR. She was clearly more concerned with getting votes than doing the right thing. "

I love the emporer.







I NEVER WANT OBAMA TO BE HILLARYS VP. He will come up with all the great ideas and she will pawn them off as her own.

[xchrom]

30. ...

:crazy:

[Bitwit1234]

33. So I guess now he owns the dictionary and can we still say yes

or no or please or do we have to ask permission. I seem to remember that Hillary Clinton when she first started her campaign said SHE WAS FOR CHANGE. Wonder how that got stolen. Oh well little boys do get pouty.

[LandOLincoln]

34. "Si se puede" was and is the slogan of the United Farm Workers.

It goes all the way back to those 1960s/1970s you and Obama are so contemptuous of--and so abysmally ignorant of.

Oh yeah--one other "minor" detail: The United Farm Workers have endorsed Hillary Clinton, as has the son of Cesar Chavez, and Dolores Huerta of the UFW is traveling with Hillary and introducing her at every campaign stop.


http://clnet.ucla.edu/research/chavez/bio/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Huerta

...y creo que ustedes son pendejos! :crazy:

[LiberalFighter]

36. Anyone and I mean ANYONE that believes that is a "Moran"!!!

[ugdude]

37. It's spelled moron. learn how to spell n/t

[Adelante]

40. Stop it

DU culture: "Moran" = "moron"

So don't be such a creep.

As for political speech, there is NOTHING original in it, not for us, not for them, not for anybody ever.

[LiberalFighter]

41. You ever considered why it was in parentheses?

[Maribelle]

39. No more so than it's true that on 10/26/2002 Obama plagiarized Hillary's speech

Obama would never copy and paste, then beat the drums loudly over his plagiarism, would he?