Any DU geeks who can trace Carville/Ohio link SCRUBBING in recent days?

[blm]

Many of you know the link - this is now dead, but it was live just two days ago.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


This is the story at the link:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.
On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
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So.....who scrubbed it and why NOW? And may I suggest folks rent the documentary about Carville and Co called OUR BRAND IS CRISIS.

[madfloridian]

1. Here's the cache.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Fbo5VsXZOFcJ:www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward+carville+tpm&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

[blm]

2. Thanks.

Funny timing on the scrubbing, eh? Looks like TeamClinton needs Carville protected.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

3. Looks more like a TeamBu$h scrub job to me

[blm]

5. Who sez it wasn't a cooperative effort at the time?

Historian Douglas Brinkley observed this in April2004:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

....University. Brinkley's book, Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, was released in January, when Kerry's presidential campaign was floundering and getting little media attention. Audio Link"In December, nobody thought that Kerry was anything -- that he was done -- and I was marketing my book essentially as a Vietnam book, the story of the Vietnam War through one person. Even when I started doing big national media to launch my book in January -- just a few months ago -- I was told to try not to talk about Kerry because nobody cared."

The Iowa Caucus on January 19 changed everything, Brinkley told a standing room only crowd in Watson Forum of DePauw's Eugene S. Pulliam Center for Contemporary Media, for the candidate, the author and his book. A national best-seller, Tour of Duty tells of Senator Kerry's heroism during the Vietnam War. Brinkley persuaded Kerry to give him access to journals Kerry kept during the conflict, which provide detailed and sometimes jarring accounts of what life was like for troops in Southeast Asia.

Audio Link"It's always important to pay homage to people in a democracy like ours, and on a campus this beautiful and a state with many freedoms to realize that freedom comes at a cost," Brinkley told his DePauw audience. "And whether Vietnam was a political mistake or not, there are 58,000 soldiers that were killed there... Audio LinkAt this time, what's so troubling to me is these Vietnam veterans are approaching 60 or retirement age -- and you're witnessing the indifference of people toward Vietnam veterans, who have never been given a parade, who have been stoned and ostracized deemed outcasts, have been turned into cartoons in Hollywood movies -- and now they're getting their slashed. What kind of a society are we that sends our people into war, and when they come home we treat them like dirt simply because the politics of the moment failed? If we're going to be a society that's willing to be a global policeman or root out the evils of terrorism in the world, we also have to be a society that takes care of our veterans when they come back... We don't do a very good job of that. The Vietnam story is perhaps the most glaring example that we have to live with. It's time that we said 'thank you' to a generation that we've never said 'thank you' to."

Brinkley, whose other books include Wheels for the World: Henry Ford, His Company, and a Century of Progress, 1903-2003 and The Unfinished Presidency: Jimmy Carter's Journey Beyond the White House, stated, "There is a very stark ideological difference between John Kerry and George W. Bush." Brinkley says in 2000, Bush and Democratic contender Al Gore were not far apart ideologically -- Bush was considered the centrist governor of Texas and Gore was a "Clinton Democrat." This time around, Audio Link"I think it's a very decisive election, because in truth is more liberal than Al Gore, and I think that there's a progressive agenda to John Kerry versus a very conservative agenda with Bush."

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. Audio Link"There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."

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Imagine the media telling Brinkley to NOT TALK ABOUT KERRY. I hope Brinkley talks one day in greater details about the backstabbing the Clintons and their loyalists were doing to compel his observation at Depauw in Alril 2004.

[Bread and Circus]

4. That's a known fact for years. Also, Penn, Clinton's lead guy - is a corporate and RW shill..

but the Hillary supporters don't care.

[blm]

6. Why scrub NOW? They want the story limited only to the informed wing of the internet Dems?

.

[CorpGovActivist]

7. Here are the Archive.org "Wayback Machine" results

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://tpmcafe.com

Enjoy.

- Dave

[blm]

8. Thanks. We probably need to check into other articles like this because TeamClinton

may be preparing to bring Carville out OPENLY soon.

[CorpGovActivist]

9. Try one of your other links.

See if it works.

I'm here to help if needed. But cast your line and see if you hook a fish.

: )

- Dave

[blm]

11. Depauw works - guess it's hard to scrub university archives?

What do I know about these things? Nothing - I barely know how to navigate the internets. ;)

[CorpGovActivist]

13. But you have that incomparable memory, if mine serves.

:P

Despite a bump on the noggin', too, right?

Or maybe because of it?

:rofl:

- Dave

[blm]

14. Despite. I lost TOTAL recall and now just have a damn good memory. heh

.

[CorpGovActivist]

15. Maybe I could ring your bell and fix it.

:rofl:

Love taps.

:loveya:

- Dave

[blm]

16. Heh...one problem.....

I'm bi.......and you are not. ;)

Yes - I would 'get' Jodie.

[VolcanoJen]

10. On Meet the Press today, he seemed visibly nervous about California.

I wonder if the internal polling looks as ugly as the public trend?

[blm]

12. Kerry told a rally yesterday that California internals were showing a real closening

of the numbers.

Internals are usually more reliable than outside polls. Kerry and Dean camp both knew Kerry was winning Iowa weeks before the actual caucus.