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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:43 PM
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After much thought, I have made my decision. (WARNING: LONG)
First, let me say that initially I was for Edwards. I am sorry that he could not get the coverage that he deserved, but I am
not one of the people that sees that as the only reason he didn't get anywhere this time. One reason I was not rabid in my own support for him
was because his turnaround from the positions he had when he was our senator was quite remarkable. I personally believe that he had a genuine change of heart,
but let's face it, people in our country don't tend to be that forgiving when it comes to "flip-flopping". The Repubs might have been able to defeat him with
that argument alone.

The main point that I want to focus on, however, is that NONE of these candidates can enact any of their policies/programs without getting them through congress.
Therefore, electing a DEM congress is every bit as important as who the Presidential nominee is.
The details of any of their healthcare plans, immigration policies, labor programs, etc. will all be subject to change in congress. Congress is the branch that has to face the reality of how the country will PAY for these programs as well. So buying into the promises of our potential nominees is a fool's paradise. None of these people can raise a magic wand and get
you free healthcare, a decent retirement, or even cleaner air. The war is the one area that they can actually effect the most change as Commander in Chief. Our frontrunners
are pretty close on this issue. Obama has an advantage being anti-war from the beginning, but he's not going to win in November without playing up his willingness to defend the U.S. against
"terrorist threats". It's pretty much de riguer these days. Ya gotta be tough on Terra. It'll happen, trust me. Besides, it would be great if we could go back and change the fact that we entered into this criminal war. Unfortunately, we can't. We f*cked that country, and we have to help them put it back together. I want out too, but I don't want to see those poor people massacre each other because we abandoned them to terrorists and religious militias. Neither of the candidates can change that reality. I hope that they can get us out quickly, but we have to trust whoever wins to do the right thing for all those involved.

If you believe as I do, that a lot of our success this year depends on getting a candidate that can help us take congress by really inspiring the electorate, I think you have to look at Obama.
Obama is an incredible speaker, he has inspired young people to get involved which is VERY difficult, and he reaches out to an audience that Clinton will never win over - moderate Republicans.
There are, in my experience, a lot of people out there who are pretty fed up with the Repubs, but would NEVER vote for Clinton. I realize that a lot of the reason for that may be because Obama has not laid out a lot of specific plans for how he would fix domestic problems - but as I pointed out above, I don't think that's necessary because those plans will likely change anyway.

There are MANY examples of this I can point out from the Bush and Clinton presidencies like:
-DADT anyone? Remember, Clinton was going to make gays welcome in the military...after all he was CIC. But he backed down in a hurry when faced with military opposition.
-Social Security Privatization/Reform Remember how Dubya was gonna fix SS by having private accounts? Thank God THAT didn't fly! And we're not headed to Mars either.

Bottom line: They won't do anything they can't sell enough Americans on to get it passed in congress. Period.
So why get invested in these promises? I can promise you that a lot of them will not come to fruition, and if they do, they won't look like they do now. They will have mutated through amendments, concessions, earmarks or whatever it takes to sell it.

So looking at it from my point of view, Obama is our best bet. Ithink he can get more Dems to the polls and more Repubs to cross over and vote for him.
Either way, our nominee has my vote in November. And I refuse to participate in the "my candidate is our Saviour and yours is a POS" type of dialogue that this place often devolves into.
It's childish and nonproductive. I will certainly discuss the issues and pros and cons of each candidate with anyone who is genuinely open-minded and wants real dialogue.
Good luck to Hillary as well and LET"S WIN IN NOVEMBER FOR GOD'S SAKE! :D Gobama!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:54 PM
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1. Thanks for your support - I agree with everything you said. nt
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:00 PM
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3. Thanks. I'm glad someone does.
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:37 PM
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20. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:48 PM
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27. Well, one thing is for sure... YOU aren't a nurse
So I guess that means, by your own words, that you live under a bridge and eat goats?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:49 PM
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31. prove that you're
a nuetron and not a troll because you being obnoxious.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:05 PM
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46. Damn, google images has failed me
I can't find a finger pointing troll. :(
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:09 PM
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48. Hey, does the name removed thing mean he's TS'd?
Yay! I was just about to put his sorry ass on ignore! :crazy:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:10 PM
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49. Just means he was deleted
You have to check his profile to see if he's gone.

Nice thread by the way. I wrote similarly long one last night. :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4359187
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:23 PM
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57. Thanks, I'll check. Love your thread. I had many
of the same reservations. And I think I've been through as many candidates as you have. :-)
I was bummed about the McClukin thing too. And just the whole religious pandering activity
left me cold, frankly. But like you, the positives outweighed the negatives and I do see how
inspiring he is. I also realize, being a Southerner, that the way to get the AA vote is to get to the churches.
That's how it is here. I've decided to trust him.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:35 PM
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65. "FOR GOD'S SAKE!" Yeah, Jesus for Obama!!
Can I get an A MEN!?!?



















:puke:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #65
131. Who are you responding to?

That's not in post #1.

Are you in the wrong thread?
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:56 PM
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2. Great post. Very thoughtful decision. K & R n/t
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:02 PM
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4. Thank you. I have listened to everyone from
my RW daddy to my Obama-loving kids. I worked for Bill Clinton in '92 and I know how it feels to put your faith in somone
and have things change dramatically once they're elected. ;-)
My eyes are wide open.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:39 PM
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21. Deleted message
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. LOL!
Fine, I'm not a nurse. I'm really a spy for Lee Mercer. :P
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:59 PM
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40. I'm alerting your ass.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:01 AM
Response to Reply #40
104. Hell, I have already deleated their ass
I can't even tell you who it is because I have already put them on the ignore list. No loss.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:08 PM
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5. imo, an opposition president (repug OR dem) can be
nullified by a strong dem congress. we need to be able to override a veto. let's get a strong majority in congress and the president will matter less.

ellen fl
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:11 PM
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6. Let's get both! Then we can get some things done!
:thumbsup:
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:03 PM
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13. exactly. eom
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FedUp_Queer Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:17 AM
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102. Nice thought
However, if we've seen anything about the Democrats, it's that "strong" and "Democratic congress" don't seem to go together. I'm voting for Edwards, regardless. I guess I have the luxury of "wasting" my vote because of principle because I live in NY, and NY will go Democratic.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:13 PM
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7. From one nurse to another: YES WE CAN ! K&R
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:15 PM
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8. Woot!
:hi:
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rodriguez94 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:16 PM
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9. I am sorry to hear that....
I am from NC also, and I plan to vote for John on May 6th.

It's the right thing to do...

I am standing up...are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBenj7AxOcE
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:20 PM
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10. As I said in my post. I had my doubts from the beginning
that he would make it. I'm sorry that he's out, but he made it clear that he wanted us to keep supporting the party.
I respect your decision to vote for him. I doubt our primary will matter much anyway. If by some chance he makes a comeback
and a vote for him might make a difference, I will consider it.

:)
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rodriguez94 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:22 PM
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11. check out his website...
we the people are taking over this campaign!

America rising....
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:30 PM
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12. It looks the same to me. I salute you as a true believer.
I am not. Sorry.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:47 PM
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91. he just asked North Dakota to keep his name on the ballot!! eom
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:55 PM
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93. Hmmm...interesting. I wonder if he's trying to help out another candidate or
what? Isn't the only other state he asked to do that RI? I can't imagine that those two states could really help HIM that much? What do you think?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:48 PM
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98. Very exciting...... The nurse and nursing student in my household
are giving him their two votes. Plus mine makes three. I come from three generations of nurses. I have to say that this generation is at a greater risk for not receiving treatment thanks to big insurance and pharma lobbiest. This is concerning. Nurses are on the front lines. For sure, they know that cheneycare should be for everyone.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:16 AM
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113. I am SO glad to hear that!
My daughter is a special ed teacher (almost, a senior!). She and her friends are going for Obama too!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:02 PM
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44. Well! I didn't know
you're a nurse!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:17 PM
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54. YOU'RE NOT A NURSE!!1!
j/k
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:41 PM
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70. And YOU
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 03:42 PM by zidzi
ARE!:P
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:32 PM
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14. You know
I came to the Obama camp in much the same way. From what I've read he's more Liberal than Clinton, has a better chance to win the GE, and a better chance of getting things done.

I also like that he's come up with a lot of good ideas for government transparency etc... and though he hasn't run as "clean" of a campaign as John or Kucinich he didn't take any money from Ins companies so he'll probably do a better job on Healthcare reform, and has come out WAY stronger to smack the corporations around in general. HRC has basically stated that she's in bed with them. No Hillbots will deny that... they always avoid those threads. "Big Business Loves HRC", "What this country needs is a CEO", etc.

I wish that Edwards was our Nominee, but that isn't going to happen so I go to the next most progressive.

Gobama.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:44 PM
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23. Agreed. Thanks for the support.
Gobama!!!
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:32 PM
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15. With you.
Let's make this happen.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:44 PM
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24. You bet!
:toast:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:33 PM
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16. Well said!!
:yourock:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:45 PM
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25. Thanks! Your one of the best!
Wow. :bounce:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:34 PM
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17. Welcome aboard, NC_Nurse. We need you.
I only made up my mind last month, too. Obama is the one.

The points you carefully made are powerful ones.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Cool. Hopefully they might convince someone.
Usually I'm too chicken to stick my neck out in this place! :o
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:02 PM
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43. You did very well with
your "neck"!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:34 PM
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18. Cool!
Thank you for your measured deliberations trying to determine whom you would support.

:hi:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
30. And thank you back for posting some great info about Obama's agenda!
I hope people eventually remember what this is really about. I see Obama as a REAL uniter.
We need to get past wedge issues and bitterness. Gobama!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:36 PM
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19. I agree completely. We need a supermajority in Congress...
And I am not sold on the idea that Hillary Clinton can give us that, as the Democratic nominee.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:50 PM
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33. I live in a RED state. It's amazing how much people dislike her here.
Amazing. I don't believe it's sexism purely either. We have Liddy Dole (gag) as one of our Senators. Beverly Perdue is Lt. Governor,
now running for Governor. It's Hillary and the whole Clinton package. Not cause she's a girl.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:54 PM
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37. Same here. In AZ and CT I have not met many fans of Hillary...
Even back when I was defending her against baseless attacks.

Both of these states have female Governors. It's not just sexism.

It's Clinton fatigue.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
59. Yes, even I have it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:48 PM
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28. With Obama, We All Win.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:48 PM
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29. With Obama, We All Win.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. So good you had to say it twice!
:D You are correct sir.

Thanks for your many informative posts with links to Obamas policies on his site. Very helpful. THAT's what
helps a candidate, not all the nanny-nanny-boo-boo stuff! :yourock:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:50 PM
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32. Welcome to the New Majority!
Hope we get some more nurses on board. Doctors too. We're going to need them when all the Hillbots go into shock on Tuesday night. :)
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. I just recerted for advanced life saving.
I'm READY! :bounce: :toast: :bounce:
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:53 PM
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36. Thank you so much NC_Nurse for supporting Obama.
Welcome to our movement.

:toast:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. You're welcome! Glad I'm done deciding!
I fell great about it! :7
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:54 PM
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38. I'm right there with you
As a fellow tar heel, as much as I admire Hillary Clinton, I know there is no hope of retiring Libby Dole if Clinton is on top of the Democratic ticket.

I've got republican and right leaning family through out the state that have become disillusioned with the GOP and very well may stay at home come November. But if they got the chance to vote against Clinton they would do it in a heart beat.

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. That's right, and they'll vote a straight ticket too.
We'll lose big time. Not that we'll ever win NC, but there's hope in GA, FL, TN, AL, etc.
I think we have a chance here, esp. with the fundies staying home - so let's not encourage them
with their favorite she-devil! :think:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:57 PM
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39. Very well thought out and written and
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 03:19 PM by zidzi
I'm so glad you've come to this decision, NC Nurse..At first I didn't know who I was for and this has just all evolved but it all comes back to the bombings in Iraq for me..and it turns out the best person is the one who wasn't for the bombing of Iraq.

I totally agree that John Edwards had a change of heart and mind about the whole way he was conducting business in 2002 and has evoved like a lot of us in different ways. And, I will continue to want to hear what he has to say about ways to make our country better.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #39
50. Thanks, zidzi.
I hope John can find a place like Al Gore has where he can be a voice for the impoverished here. They really need it!

The Iraq War has definitely been a big part of what convinced me too. How come I knew Bush was going in and Hillary didn't?
Either she's completely stupid, or she thinks we are. :eyes: At least John had the courage to apologize! And Barack felt like me,
that it was a BAD idea and we should stop them from going in. Too bad no one listened to any of us.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:34 PM
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64. I bet John will be in a place
where his passion helps the Planet like Al Gore..

It was totally a BAD idea and politicians like Ted Kennedy had the courage of conviction to vote against the IWR and Obama had the courage to come out and speak against it in Illinois.

My sister and I were in NYC on Feb 15, 2003 when Millions All Across the World said NO TO WAR..but politicians like my senator hilary wouldn't listen.

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/2/17/the_world_says_no_to_war

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Good for you!
I didn't get to go even though I wanted to. :-) Thanks for being there. :hug:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:00 PM
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41. How does a nurse support such a terrible health care reform plan?
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desertflamingo Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #41
51. right on.
JOHN EDWARDS Feb 5th!!! California.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #41
52. I agree that John's plan is better. But I trust that Obama's
will evolve. As I stated in my post, the president doesn't enact his healthcare plan alone. It has to go through congress and it WILL be changed.
First, we have to get the person elected. I believe Barack has a better chance to make it. I also like his other positions. I have never been a one issue voter.
Healthcare is a quagmire and NONE of these candidates can fix it overnight and for free. Some people put WAY too much stock into the details of their candidates policies. They pnly set themselves up for disappointment. I've done it myself. It's a bad feeling to be let down.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #52
62. Trust? Try reading both candidates plans
If you're a health care worker, you should do this. It will affect your paycheck.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:37 PM
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66. I've already done it. I previously supported him. In case you didn't hear
he's dropped out. My primary is in May. The nominee will most likely be decided by then. He urged us to
support the party. He didn't ask for people to keep voting for him.

Even if he was the nom, his plan would not get through congress unchanged. That's not how it works.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:45 PM
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73. Have you read Clinton's plan?
Why do you think its better to leave 15 million people uninsured and not give them an option of a govt. funded health insurance plan?
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #73
86. I think that will be addressed in the end.
Some people are really rabid about not being FORCED into health care - universal OR single payer.
I think you have to work with the realities in this country or you won't get a chance to do anything at all.
You have to take first steps. Some people may opt out at first. That's their choice. Most will opt in.

Are you aware that there are many out there that view mandated health care very negatively? even on this board?
The Repubs will have a FIELD DAY with that one. It has to be worked towards.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:10 PM
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96. good point
i don't like either "plans," but i have to keep reminding myself that these are "raw" plans. i suppose in terms of winning the election, they have to walk a fine line.

i am still doubtful about the election and skeptical/hopeless about our future, democrat or not, but i think i feel a tinge of hope coming back to me.

that's why i keep coming back here, hoping to find a glimmer of hope to bring me out of this newfound cynicism in the posts of thoughtful dems. thanks for yours. :hi:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:20 PM
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97. Love your screen name, beezlebum!
I doubt anyone is more skeptical than me. I've been burned before.
We can only choose the best that is offered and keep the faith as long as possible.
Sometimes an inspiring speaker who grabs the public's imagination can do all kinds
of things. That's how JFK did it, FDR - could things have been more bleak when he was elected?
Obama has the talent, I hope he's got the ideas and the determination too! :hi:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:01 PM
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42. Worth every word.
Great post, thank you, and GObama!!!!
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:17 PM
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53. Thanks for the compliment!
Gobama! :hi:
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:18 PM
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55. Good post & I'm glad
you are going with Obama~ Let's hope Edwards can turn all great speechmaking into positive actions as the Attorney General of the United States
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:23 PM
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58. That would be great!
:thumbsup:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:19 PM
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56. As a LGBT American, I won't trust the Clintons again on anything
We are still paying for DOMA and DADT.

As a member of the working class, the Clintons have backstabbed us repeatedly with NAFTA and with their support of globalization, which is nothing more than more exploitation by rapacious capitalists.

I am backing Obama now just because he belongs to a new generation unburdened by the mistakes of the Bush-Clinton dynasty.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. Exactly! I worked for Bill and I was VERY invested
in his promises to remove the ban on gays in the military. I was SO pised when he caved! And it was pretty much
downhill from there.


Someone upthread was going on about how much Hillary has done for nurses. Well HOW HARD is that? Duh.
I doubt anyone has an anti-nurse agenda. If we were unpopular she would've thrown us under the bus too.
The Cali nurses whipped Arnold Scharzenegger back when he was super popular because they had the public's sympathy.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:39 PM
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69. Unlike many here, my personal life was impacted by DADT
DADT gave a green light to witch hunts. My SO at the time was forced out of the Army, together with another close friend of ours that was also on active duty.

Several of our local factories were closed as a direct result of NAFTA, impacting many friends.

The Clintons will say anything to gain power.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. I completely agree.
They are very much like a lot of Republicans that way.
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Sybbis Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:38 PM
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68. McClurkin
I'm not going to re-hash DOMA and DOTA. Sensible people remember how and why those compromises came about.

If you want Obama then go for it but it's silly to make that argument on GLBT issues. He's demonstrated his willingness to throw the GLBT community under the bus when it suits his political needs (like in South Carolina). They'll all do that, except John Kerry. He demonstrated his sound personal ethics in this regard during his run for the presidency. Still, Obama doesn't get a free pass on McClurkin and cannot be recommended as a candidate on GLBT grounds.

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:43 PM
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71. I was not happy about that either.
I think that he is trying to reach out to a lot of different folks and that he was not agreeing with everything that
they represent. I wish he hadn't had him on the tour. I also wish that Clinton hadn't caved on DOMA and DADT.
I'm a sensible person, BTW. I know when someone is a proven manipulator and both of the Clintons are.
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:30 PM
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77. Obama is the best candidate on gay rights issues. McClurkin is but one issue
Obama has stated his position clearly on gay rights. When he was asked about same sex marriage and how it affects his marriage he explained that people have used the bible as a wedge issue to discriminate against gays and lesbians and went further to explain that gays getting married have nothing to do with the sanctity of his own marriage. He said that people can make their own minds up about who they want to be involved with. That people who use this issue to discriminate or persuade people that being gay is wrong is in fact wrong-headed. He is emphatic about this.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #77
87. That's right and MANY have been hurt by DADT,
lost good careers because of this POS legislation that even military leaders have come to hate.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:31 PM
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60. your union the ANA supports Clinton for a reason
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. The ANA is not a union it's a professional organization.
NC is a right to work state. We don't have a union here. The Cali Nurses Union is the big one in the country that gets the most done for us.
I'm not sure who they're supporting. I'm sure they will support the Dem nominee. I think they were supporting Edwards until he dropped out.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:58 PM
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74. Sound reasoning...
This Edwards supporter has also swithched to Obama.

Great minds think alike.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:26 PM
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80. Indeed.
:D
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:04 PM
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75. Obama is dangerous. He is right of Hillary

And, the progressive movement chants YES WE CAN...

The corporations are wetting their pants laughing.

BEWARE the corporate media darling - Obama.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:28 PM
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81. Hillary has the most corporate money.
The Clintons are a known quantity. I prefer to try someone else this time.

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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:23 PM
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76. You mean corrective left
I think it's important to be correct than to be incorrect and left. On Health care Clinton wants to force people who can't afford health care to get it. Clinton voted for the bankruptcy bill when it didn't benefit poor people. Clinton voted for the Iraq war authorization. Wow. Obama didn't vote to send anyone to war. Obama didn't vote for that bankruptcy bill. Obama wants to lower the cost of health care to make it affordable for people who are having problems paying for it. Not that Clinton doesn't want to do the same but force? Obama seems to have the correct approach to the office of the president. He believes in transparency. If I heard her talk of transparency it was in parroting Obama. But we've already seen her in action. She has many closed door meetings in which she has shut out the public. You're way off on Obama. Obama for president because he's got much better judgment and he's much more transparent.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. I agree. I think he has better judgment.
I think his health care plan needs some tweaking. I like that he didn't vote for the bankruptcy bill.
I really like transparency. He's the better choice.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:50 PM
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92. like this?????????

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22971762/
Nuclear leaks, response tested Obama in Senate
His legislation is re-made after objections from industry, regulators
By Mike McIntire

updated 12:37 a.m. ET, Sun., Feb. 3, 2008
When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state’s freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.

Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”


snip:
A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.



snips:

Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.


Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.




i just wonder how that trial of Rezko will go...
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #92
95. I read the article. You're right, there is some distortion from the
Obama campaign according to this story. It sounds like Obama originally was the proponent of this bill though, so he has a right to claim that he tried
to get more reporting. Sadly, I believe I could find the same sorts of stories about Clinton, and Edwards too. They are all politicians and will try to cast they're
compromises and sometimes even failures as victories. I've known of Edwards for a long time in this state, although I think he has had a change of heart and was hoping
that he would gain traction in this race, his past record was not as populist as his current stance would lead you to believe. He's a politician too, you know. ;)
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:47 PM
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78. K&R - Excellent post. n/t
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #78
83. Thanks!
:)
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:20 PM
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79. K&R, big time!
Your post is the kind of rational thought we need more of here at DU.:toast:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. I hope more people will post their thinking and not just
react to others with the kind of BS posturing we've seen lately. :hi:
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:35 PM
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85. He's my choice for much the same reason
It is we the people thru our representatives in Congress who are the ones who can make changes - not a President. At least not a President who understands the role of the President in our system. I want a President who understands the Constitution - Barack taught Constutional Law.

I like the positive campaign that Barack and Michelle are running. It is a pleasure to listen to her speeches.

If Hillary does get the nomination, I will vote for her in November. But on Super Tuesday, I am voting for Barack
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. Glad we're together on this!
Gobama!
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Riley133 Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:38 PM
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89. Where do the people of Illinois stand?
I'm not too keen on a website which gets updated constantly to reflect what the masses want..what I am keen on is what his constituents have to say. I don't care about the Kennedys, or Oprah, or anyone like that. I care about the people. As an Edwards supporter who has not yet decided how to handle the GE, I was wondering if you could support your decision with facts from his home state? Perhaps there are constituents of his who would care to respond if they're reading. Thanks.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. I am not from Illinois, so I can't help you with that.
I do know that the things Edwards stood for as our Senator are very different from what he stood for in this campaign.
He was a centrist, to say the least. He had to be to get elected here.
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Riley133 Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #90
94. Thanks
My red state is becoming even redder, despite the media headlines. Just wondered if there was something different that could be added. Appreciate your response!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:52 PM
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99. Another nurse here.
I've taken a slightly different tack here. I believed at the beginning of this process that HRC had been anointed by the powers that be and so refused to have any part in the primary crap. When Iowa went differently, I decided to throw my support behind Edwards. When I watched what the fourth estate did to him, I remembered my original assumption. I will still get up in the middle of my night to go to our caucus, but it will be to vote against HRC, not for anyone, nor do I believe that it will change the outcome one whit. I just don't want to give my boyfriend any ammunition to say that I have no room to complain as I didn't participate - even though I think my participation is moot.

So, if what I perceive is true, HRC will get the nomination, despite the games the media is playing with us these days. Got to give the rabble their bread and circuses, you know? And I will vote for whoever gets the Democratic nomination and will continue to work toward getting strong Democratic majorities in both houses even though, at this point, I gravely doubt my own party. It's all we have right now.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #99
109. I hear you loud and clear. I am just hoping that
Obama will not be more of the same. Thanks for getting up, I know how hard that it! :)


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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:54 PM
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100. I'm all for a Democratic President. Can you tell me if Obama
voted for Cheney's energy policy? I read he did, but it was not by a supporter. I thought you might know more about this.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #100
110. You know, I'm not sure about that. I have read and heard him
speak to his plans for energy policy and I liked what I heard. Check his website.
I for one can't wait until Darth Cheney and his legacy are behind us. What a
complete scum that guy is!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:21 AM
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101. I agree with you 100% and on the question of policy changes it
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 12:28 AM by grantcart
didn't really bother me even 1%. But there were other long term Democratic friends I had that felt it was major.

All of your other points are 100% you may be interested in a very similar post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4360528&mesg_id=4360528
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #101
112. What an excellent post!
Thank you for posting and for canvassing. I have great admiration for your courage
and conviction. So far, I've made a few phone calls, gave Edwards some money a while back.
I hope to do more for Obama. Today I will donate, and I'll be thinking of you and all the
others out canvassing. Gobama!
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dschmott Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:29 AM
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103. Ask Not What JFK Can Do for Obama
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 03:32 AM by dschmott
Ask Not What JFK Can Do for Obama

..."For all the Barack Obama-J. F. K. comparisons, whether legitimate or over-the-top, what has often been forgotten is that Mr. Obama's weaknesses resemble Kennedy's at least as much as his strengths. But to compensate for those shortcomings, he gets an extra benefit that J. F. K. lacked in 1960. There's nothing vague about the public's desire for national renewal in 2008, with a reviled incumbent in the White House and only 19 percent of the population finding the country on the right track, according to the last Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll. America is screaming for change."...

..."It's legitimate to wonder whether sweeping policy change can be accomplished on that polarized a battlefield. A Clinton presidency may end up a Democratic mirror image of Karl Rove's truculent style of G.O.P. governance: a 50 percent plus 1 majority. Seven years on, that formula has accomplished little for the country beyond extending and compounding the mistake of invading Iraq. As was illustrated by the long catalog of unfinished business in President Bush's final State of the Union address, this has not been a presidency that, as Mrs. Clinton said of L. B. J.'s, got things done"



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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #103
114. Agreed. We need to sweep congress as well.
Yes we can! :)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:08 AM
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105. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:31 AM
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106. Worst. Post. Ever.
Democratic Underground is funded by the folks who use it. As an incentive to donate, those who donate get extra functionality like joining DU Groups and using the search facility.

But even folks like me who have never donated are welcome to come here are read everything and post on all the main Forums - plus the State and Country Forums. I am grateful for the opportunity. It is a great source of information and ideas and a place for intelligent discussion.

A lot of Edwards supporters were very disappointed when he suspended his campaign, and they have been expressing their views here on this Forum. At the same time, most people here are mature and experienced enough to understand that in the real world, things don't always happen as we would wish.

Calling people Nazis does cross a certain line. I mean - if you don't respect the other people who use this site - why would anyone pay attention to anything you post? :eyes:
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:39 AM
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107. Don't waste your time on this one
Same message over and over on various posts.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:44 AM
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108. GOBAMA, recently seen many repugs going independant to vote for Obama...
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #108
115. Yes! If we can just get the nom, I think he will pull a lot of them.
Gobama!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:06 AM
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111. Congratulations...
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:21 AM
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116. You make a great argument for your candidate.
:eyes:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #116
117. My candidate is no longer in the race...
Doh!
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #117
118. I know, I see his picture.
I'm sorry that you can't get over it.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:36 AM
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119. It's not that I can't get over it....
it's that I am disgusted with the level of stupidity in this country. Reminds me of 2000 and Bush...
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:40 AM
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120. What are you referring too specifically with Obama?
I agree levels of stupidity are at an all time high.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:55 AM
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122. Everything...
the fact that people are buying his bullshit at all. His whole campaign is built on a fantasy. Period.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #122
124. So are you going to vote for Hillary then?
You think she's more honest?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:07 PM
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125. No I have already voted, for Joe Biden, and yes....I believe she is MORE honest..
At least I know what to expect from her....unlike all of the minions who are ready to jump off the precipice into the unknown....
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:22 PM
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126. I'm not interested in getting more of what I can expect from her.
I'm ready to give someone else a chance.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #126
132. I'll be sure to look you up....
just so I can point out how wrong you were about O.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. Whatever floats your boat.
:)
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zazzle Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:52 AM
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121. Since I can't have my Edwards -
I'll go with gender - not race.

Males control the Corporate Owned Media, Congress, Corporate America - and they've ALL given Obama a HUGE pass. No scrutiny - no questions!

It's time for a woman president!

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. Maybe they just haven't had as much baggage to pick over.
I think we may get beaten in November if Hillary is the Nom.
I don't see it as such a big victory for women if she rides in
on her husband's popularity either.

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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:58 PM
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127. I like to remind folks
about the Obama camp hoisting the "Change" banner all the time as their no. 1 mantra.

Well, in 2000 Bush represented "Change"! Proving there has to be more to a candidate then the word 'change'.

I have another week to decide whom I'm voting for...and I don't yet know.


-an Edwards supporter


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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:01 PM
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128. Yeah, Bill Clinton was all about "change" too.
I've seen a LOT of campaigns. ;)

My primary isn't until MAY, fer Chrissake!
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:20 PM
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129. Here are 2 GIANT DOTS connected to help decide!
http://carolynbaker.net/site/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=310&pop=1&page=0
AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON FROM A WELLESLEY COLLEGE ALUMNA
Dear Hillary,

By polling logic, I should be your supporter - Democrat, older woman,
white, liberal. I was even in a dorm with you in college. I have
pulled for you for years. But something this past summer
fundamentally changed my responsibility to my children and
grandchildren. In the time I have left in my life to protect them and
others, I need to speak out..................

below an excerpt; but please read the entire rather long piece! Read it and weep, that we should even have to factor this into our voting choice!

"You have connections to Monsanto through the Rose Law Firm where you
worked and through Bill who hired Monsanto people for central food-
related roles. Your Orwellian-named "Rural Americans for Hillary" was
planned with Troutman Sanders, Monsanto's lobbyists."
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:24 PM
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130. Damn! That's terrible.
I knew there were plenty of reasons not vote for Clinton. Thanks for giving me another.
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