Why are Hillary and Obama supporters working so hard

[ashling]

to make sure that the other ones sit out the general election?

please recommend this if you agree

[xultar]

1. I don't fucking know. But it is making me fucking angry.

[Ilsa]

2. Kick! I wish the damn general election was over already. nt

[vi5]

3. What's going to sicken me....

..is once the nominee is chose, to see post after post of disingenuous, nauseating "Let's hear it for (Obama or Hillary) supporters. blah blah blah" figuratively reaching out for that handshake of the losing candidates supporters after spending months trashing the other candidate and their supporters. Yes, I know "Oh it's politics, etc." but this year has gotten way too ridiculously personal and sexist and racist and all that other rotten stuff that the majority of supporters of both these candidates have thrown out there.

I'd seriously just rather everyone be honest and say "I still think your candidate sucks and I think you're an idiot for having supported that person." than this bogus, phony reaching out routine now.

I don't care which side it is that has to do this, as far as I'm concerned if you really felt that way you wouldn't have been such a shithead on here about the other candidate for the past couple of months knowing that it was possible for them to be the nominee and you having to support them.

There are a handful of people on here from either side who haven't behaved like this and for whom it wouldn't seem phony or disingenuous but as far as I can see the vast majority on both sides are guilty of this and I'm going to have to hide a lot of sickening phony threads the days and weeks after it's decided.

Yes, I"m sure they'll all get over my disappointment.

[ashling]

5. Your right, its really just a handful

of people here that are being assholes, but they are so good at it.

[helderheid]

6. Experts at assholery!

[vi5]

9. Actually I meant the opposite...

I think that it's just a handful of people who have been even handed and gracious. The vast majority it seems to me have been sanctimonious, taunting, juvenille, and offensive. I keep trying to convince myself that's just been a few but then I keep looking at the different names and realizing it's not.

Again, this is fine just don't try to convince me that you're trying to reach out the hand of reconciliation once you're done spewing your venom.

[ashling]

11. You could be right

that was my first impression, but I only recognize a few names over and over and over, but most of the time I try to stay out of that quagmire.

[lxlxlxl]

4. As an Obama supporter (Ex Nader 00 / Dean 04)...please think long term.

This country is not ideological about party affiliation. Its a sad truth that I am still having a hard time coping with, but most of the country would rather think about the Super Bowl today than think about the long-term future of this country

The reason I support Obama is because I think his presidency is not going to "save" us or this country. He is not a messiah, and he would cringe if people though that. No real progressive should believe in top-down fixes, only top-down enabling. An Obama presidency will represent the start of something greater down the line. Real progressives, including Nader supporters, need to start mobilizing not just around people, but around ideas, programs , and campaigns that they want to bring to the White House and Congress next year. The people that start working now, instead of sitting around and being spectators, are going to get their agendas further than their opponents by 2009/2010.

Obama has it absolutely right that change has to be bottom-up. For social programs to work, we need the right people as administrators. For labor movements to work, everyone needs to participate.

That message long term is going to do more for progressive movements than electing another Clinton.

[Thrill]

7. The Clinton Supporters are really mean

They make you not want to support her

[ashling]

8. And that goes on from the other side too

so counterproductive.

[nolabels]

10. The move to not move was the best one i seem to have made yet

Could they at least be civil about just a little. Like some people who have no real say at present but will voting in November are watching. To lose the war because you want to win the battle so bad makes no sense. It's often easier to succeed by watching other people mistakes. Stop trashing for the sake of spite, you help no one including yourself. We got a Democratic congress because of the Republican's negatives out-weighed the positives for the most part. People most of all would like a responsible government and regressing to a grade school adolescent mentality and presenting any candidate in such a mode will not help.

[ashling]

12. I really wish John haad stayed in

but I guess that ship has sailed.

[nolabels]

13. I think it was a good thing he did

A unified front with greater focus on issues. The parade of personalities will be of little use if some big coat-tails doesn't follow after it. A large influx of seats into democratic side of congress is critical. A Congress that leans hard democratic will make things better and easier in many ways.

John may have been the most well prepared but perhaps that might have even been his problem. He understood but then underestimated the foe and bit off too much too fast. The foe of his choice, the US corporate structure, is quite large and more than one should try to consume in just one sitting


It kind of reminds of the story of the man who ate a whole bicycle. He ate it bit by bit, day by day but he eventually consumed the whole thing