"Garnish wages garnish wages!"Obamaniacs are funny because they think that will work

[Proud2BAmurkin]

It will only bring attention to the issue and Clinton will make it clear that Obama's plan means NO UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

It's kinda cute how they think they have an issue though.

[Thrill]

1. They don't have to do anything........The media will do it for them

Its already working

[reality based]

6. And the ghosts of FDR and Harry Truman are spinning in their graves.

I can't believe Democrats are attacking the basic principle of universal coverage at this point in our history.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. Universal car insurance worked well. There are no uninsured drivers on the roads. Mandates!

The private auto insurance companies sure like it though.

They make big bucks, and the public also pays for enforcement and the courts.

It's made uninsured drivers a thing of the past...

[reality based]

21. Two words: Social Security

[John Q. Citizen]

24. Yes. But which version? A single payer retirement insurance version or private accounts?

That's why Hill, Obama and Edwards plans all suck,

We need to self insure and kick the private health insurers out, and keep the private investment sector our of Social Security as well.

It looks like we are on the same page here. I think I misread your initial post!

[reality based]

25. Start with universal coverage. That should be the Democratic principle.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. I have to disagree. If we try it like that, that's the way it's going to be. except worse.

Has universal auto insurance coverage worked? Hell no. There's lot's and lot's of uninsured drivers out there. Sure there are mandates, so what? When i got hit by an uninsured driver it didn't matter that I complied with the law. I was left holding the bag. It doesn't work to take a socialized system like insurance and mandate compliance through private industry.

If the government mandates insurance, then the government has a social contract to provide a socialized mechanism to comply with that mandate, Same thing for prisons and same thing for the military. This privatization crap is a legal license to steal and oppress.

We don't need private money men in our social security system. We don't need private prisons working to make jay walking a felony to fill up their pockets, and we don't need stinking private insurance companies to self insure our people.

That should be the Democratic Principle.

Because I've noticed that thing's just get worse. Two words, Social Security.

It started out as a dedicated fund. Then somebody said, hey we could use some of that dough to cut taxes for the rich, or to pay for some imperialistic war. Then bush said, hey, if we gave it to the private money markets, my buddies could make a fortune! Could you ever in your heart of hearts imagine social security being implemented incrementally?

The reason Social Security was embraced by the country and seen as a major accomplishment was because, due to the crisis known as the Great Depression, a visionary guy, FDR, ripped off the Kingfish's idea and said "Lets do something here that will really CHANGE things. Change happens quickly and then it is eroded slowly.

The south wasn't integrated incrementally. It was integrated over night. Federal troops went in to see it got done. They didn't integrate 3 or 4 schools a week for 500 weeks They said, NOW it's a done deal.

We don't need a band aide that allows the insurance industry to get richer so they can use their profits to buy more legislators. We need to self insure, cover everyone for all reasonable effecable procedures and treatments with no co-pays and no deductibles and get 'er done!

Or are we just too stupid to do that? Where the fuck is FDR when we need him?

[Seen the light]

2. Thank you for posting this new and exciting thread on DU

We are all much better off for it. I don't know what I would have done if you hadn't posted this thought-provoking and illuminating thread.

[Alexander]

4. Proud2BAmurkin is one of the most thoughtful and insightful posters here.

Always using logic and reasoned intellect. :sarcasm:

[Alexander]

3. Hillary said it. She can deal with it. Better than "Why does Obama hate health care?"

Which is the dumbest thread I've seen here all afternoon.

[MethuenProgressive]

5. "garnish" evidently polled poorly in the recent Obama focus group.

Poor Obama.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

7. probably frank luntz

[Radical Activist]

8. How many threads about this do you have on the front page right now?

How many is enough to have a serious discussion?

[Alexander]

10. Not enough. The OP isn't finished spamming yet today.

[jefferson_dem]

9. I wonder why it took Hillary so long to run with that "wage garnishment" talking point...

She was holding back for a last minute blitz, i'm sure. :spray:

[MethuenProgressive]

11. "apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it,"

Facts suck, if you're an ObamaBot.

[jefferson_dem]

12. Damage-control spin from the Hillary Camp: "wage garnishment...

only for some...at least."

[MethuenProgressive]

15. It was in the original news article spammed by ObamaBots. Link:

"Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it, which puts undue pressure on hospitals and emergency rooms."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_33

The Bots missed it (intentionally) when spreading thier spam.

[Alexander]

19. I don't think Sen. Clinton is a good judge of "who can afford health coverage".

What is likely to happen is that lower and middle-income Americans who might be able to barely afford coverage will have their wages garnished and be in a worse position fiscally.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Maybe I can get a job as one of the army of autitors who will be inspecting the finances of

workers so as to determine who can and who cannot afford it.

We can raise taxes to pay my wages and benefits.

[ErnestoG]

16. Don't focus your rage on Obama - CLINTON wants to garnish wages

Which is a fitting stance for her pro-corpo ways, I must say.

[ingac70]

17. Hillary's isn't Universal health either...

she wants to force us to pay out to private insurance, who may or may not pay up in our time of need. That is not going to lead to single payer universal health care.

[OzarkDem]

18. It shows he really opposes any health care reform

When he lies about Clinton's plan instead of making his own better, it means he doesn't want any health care reform at all.

[Blue-Jay]

20. So, she *didn't* imply that wage garnishment was a possible solution?

[JVS]

27. Oh she said it, but it's not supposed to be important.

[Occam Bandage]

22. "Iceberg Iceberg Iceberg!" Turn-o-maniacs are funny because they think that will work.

It will only bring attention to the unsinkability of the Titanic, and White Star has made it clear that the Titanic means UNSINKABLE. Meaning we don't need to turn it!

It's kinda cute how they think they have an issue though.

[JackORoses]

23. you're frightened because you know it will work

There is a giant difference between Universal Healthcare and government mandated Health Insurance.

Hillary isn't talking about getting everyone healthcare, she's talking about making it illegal for you not to have Health Insurance.

You have to pay whether you can afford it or not. Your wages will be garnished.
If you do not pay, you will be penalized.

This plan is good for the Insurance Companies, not the American People.