Anyone else think the faux outrage over Hillary health care is ......

[1corona4u]

ridiculous?? It's no different than the way we pay for SS and medicare now!!

Chill out people...this health care thing will change 50 times before it's etched in stone.

[Cleita]

1. Hillary really doesn't get it , the health care think, but it doesn't matter because

she won't get any further with Congress than she did back during Bill's presidency. If she does, then it will really divide the nation into classes of haves and have nots. I think it would make her a one term President. It's time she she really looks into single payer seriously. I don't know how she's going to pay back her big donors by cutting them out of the $$$ flow but she will have to figure out something.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. your post cracks me up as it is lacking in historical knowledge

Clinton, if anyone, knows exactly what the Congress will do. Remember the 90's? When she had an awesome plan, but WE allowed the Republican Congress to vilify her (with the help of the media).

If anyone does not "get it" its Obama, who continues to blame Clinton for the Republican's attacks on her health care plan.

[Cleita]

15. The 103 Congress in the House was Democratically controlled in

1993. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress

Read this too:http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page2.html

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. you may want to go back and look at what happened.

It was not Clinton's fault. It was the republicans who were so set on Clinton accomplishing anything that they vilified her.

And Obama will have no easier a time of it.

[Cleita]

22. What happened first were the Harry and Louise ads put

out by the Republican health care lobbyists. But also, the requisite number of Democrats were not on board because the bill was flawed and overbloated. It was not a good bill.

[Skidmore]

2. Methinks "faux outrage" is becoming a meaningless term.

Inaccurately applied and overused to the point of triteness.

[kerstin]

3. I think it's mainly the work of political neophytes

who think that leftwingers can be easily duped by rightwing arguments.

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. I agree completely. Anything to spin and distort. It would be

laughable if it didn't work, but the masses are too stupid to see past the crap.

[1corona4u]

8. I just wished the people who are

getting behind Obama could see what the supporters on this board are like. It would show them the arrogance he brings to the table.

I fully expect a most of the Obama supporters to cop an attitude of superiority should he become the nominee....and I think it will have very profound consequences.....

[Oregone]

5. SS and Medicare are single payer, right?

There is a big difference when you are forcing Americans to subsidize knowingly corrupt and irresponsible private insurance companies.

[Lucinda]

12. The problem with single payer, is that it won't pass.

Hillary's plan is setup to circumvent a lot of the previous criticisms of a national health care plan, and make it easier to move through congress.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. Of course not. Obama supporters are never wrong or "faux".

Only Hillarybots are wrong; those of the Obama movement have learning experiences.

And that evil witch Hillary is going to garnish our wages; Obama merely seeks payroll deductions. And he wants to give us Choice.

--p!
Get with the program.

[kurth]

10. Yep, the Great Dear Leader is always right

[1corona4u]

11. That's what I'm saying...

sometimes, they're so transparent, it's hysterical...

[FormerDittoHead]

9. I can guarantee you ONE thing when they write it up - they won't be using the word "garnish"...

...the word of the day!

[sandnsea]

13. Send me a medicare card then

and tell me exactly how much it's going to cost - up front.

[MasonJar]

14. It does not matter which candidate you prefer, but it is unfair to dismiss

Hillary's hard work on Healthcare legislation during Bill's presidency. The poster above is correct that we did not stand strong for her, and consequently we let the GOPers villify her and her plan. So no more right wing agenda on DU please.

[Occam Bandage]

16. No different? That's a laugh. If it were really tax-supported single-payer like SS or Medicare,

I'd love it.

[Cleita]

19. Me too but it isn't.

For the uniformed try this website http://www.pnhp.org

[Tatiana]

17. It's a smart way to pay for a mandated plan.

I see the outrage as correlated to not wanting a mandated plan. Otherwise, a payroll deduction is how you collect the money for the service (i.e. Social Security, Medicare).

[Cleita]

21. Like some of us have said before we would love that plan.

And there is a plan that does just that and it's sitting in committee in Congress right now. It's H. R. 676. Here are some links.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h676ih.txt.pdf

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-676

[GoldieAZ49]

18. faux outrage?

you and cleo reading minds now?

[IsItJustMe]

23. I just think faux is ridiculous. That why I never ever watch it. It rots the brain.