fuzzy otter pop
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:19 PM
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The real reason Edwards pulled out |
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Obama's strong support among young voters, who actually are turning out to vote for him
is growing the base by leaps and bounds.
even if he were to go down to defeat to McCain, the base of the party will be forever enlarged
add this to the possibility that at any moment John might have had to suspend because of
personal reasons (knock on wood)
and that john had already successfully forced his issues on too the table,
i think he succumbed to Kennedy's pressure out of political logic
faced with the very real possibility that corrupt super delegates (who were already more than likely pressuring John themselves)
might force a Hillery nomination down our throats and that this would alienate the future power base of the party
who are young, idealistic, and more motivated than i have ever seen,
john got out of the way
no endorsements before Super T because he is not a sell out and does not want to look like one
and he will still snag a few delegates to make his points
no matter what anyone says, johns people will break down as follows
1. stay home (25%) 2. vote for him in protest (25%) 3. go to Obama 3 to 1 over the Borg assimilation machine(50%)
demonstrating once and for all that this is not about some paleolithic race or sex war
If Obama can pull it off, the nation has at least a hope for change
if he loses
we will still grow stronger as a party (huge youth turn out will be boon to down ticket races)
but with Hillery it is a lose-lose situation even if she beat McCain (unlikely, she just has too much bad history and she fails to inspire people)
it would still be open season on her in DC and in the MSM and who in our party is really going to feel like defending her? seriously?
I would rather have one term McCain (old and crazy) take the fall for the impending doom that let the bastards blame it on the enabling Hillery and the Democrats by proxy
I honestly feel that a clean loss with Obama(he just might win too!) is better than a dirty win with Hillery
i think Edwards was convinced by Kennedy that he had to give Obama the room to take the machine down once and for all.
the reasoning was that unless John could guaranty that he would stay in all the way to the convention to watch Obama's back NO MATTER WHAT ELSE HAPPENED
then Kennedy argued John needed to drop out before Tuesday or he risked crippling Obama and leaving them both vulnerable to Hillbot treachery and given Elizabeth's condition this is a guaranty John could not make and so he did what he had to.
and believe me if they fuck this up, he will be back.
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:28 PM
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Kennedy calling the shots.
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fuzzy otter pop
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:35 PM
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2. it is his logic not his "shot calling", that convinced, not forced John |
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Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 04:39 PM by fuzzy otter pop
to make the tough call,
history will show that it was the right call and it was John's Not Ted's
i was not there
but it smacks of the Kennedy gift for tactical in fighting and Edward's speech rang with old school rhetoric
?"history blazes a path"?
1960 anyone?
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:28 PM
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20. This is just fuzzy otter's guess. You really don't know Jack, right! |
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Good grief. let this be over soon.
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:42 PM
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6. Yep, kennedy calling the shots |
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What does that tell you about the GObama empty suit syndrome???
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:46 PM
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10. Enough about the "empty suit" nonsense |
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Go ahead and vote for Hil, nobody cares, but why use such a term on Sen. Obama? He is anything but an empty suit, he is a great mind full of vision and ideas. I don't go around making up terms for your candidate, although I probably could.
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:08 PM
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16. If you think white men are going to Obama 3 to 2 you are in for disapointment |
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In fact every Edwards person that I personally know are voting Hillary
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:18 PM
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18. as a 37 year old white guy my personal experice is completly the oppsite but |
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the polls back me up and in the end we will find out on Tuesday,
the race thing will be a factor in the general election but less so now
the younger Edwards supporters and the single moms are the ones who will swing heavy Obama,
i figure older white guys will say "Hillery"
at least to your face
and then stay home on Tuesday
(except me as a 37 year old white guy, i would vote for Obama at this point)
i did caucus in Nevada and when Edwards failed to meet viability
there were plenty of white guys who stood with Obama,
i was in reno too, so these were real white people, (sarcasm) not urban yuppie types
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:36 PM
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3. "to take the machine down once and for all" - JE in the Neo role (Matrix). I |
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:44 PM
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Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 05:05 PM by fuzzy otter pop
i did not even catch that,
i like it too,
"this war ends tonight"
--Neo Edwards
edited for a better movie quote
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:44 PM
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8. Stop spewing that crap on every thread. |
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You apparently are too stupid to understand that you are doing more harm to your cause than good.
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:46 PM
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Because if you do spam enough times people will be turned off, not on. :)
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:41 PM
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5. "A clean LOSS by Obama is better than a dirty win with Hillary????? Okay you lost me. |
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I want to win. Which is ONE of my concerns about Obama.
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:50 PM
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12. i stand by that but the fact is |
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Hillery is deeply flawed as a candidate and she will loose to MaCrazy
depend on it
at least Obama grows the Party by a huge margin
and if his army of noobies shows up in November
we will make history
ALSO
Hillery would make an excellent VP pick for all the same reasons she should not be at the top of the ticket
think of her as a liberal Dick Cheney in a pant suit
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Sun Feb-03-08 04:53 PM
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13. i wouldn't call it pure... |
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Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 04:56 PM by fuzzy otter pop
(heh, i am less than "clean")
but yes it is a WAG (wild ass Guess)
but it fits the facts,
and the timing is perfect if this is the case
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:01 PM
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14. "3. go to Obama 3 to 1 over the Borg assimilation machine(50%)" |
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From my perspective "Borg assimilation machine(50%)" looks like most in the Obama camp. The "Hope and Change" cult is not my cup of tea.
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:07 PM
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15. sorry to hear that, i like hope and i am for change |
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I agree that Obama's sincerity has yet to be fully tested but
Hillery's has
and it came back
negative.
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Sun Feb-03-08 07:33 PM
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has his sincerity not been tested, his ability to withstand the repuke attacks that will come this summer has also not been tested.
Hillary has passed this test with flying colors.
If he gets the nomination, he will quickly find out how the right feels about bipartisanship.
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Sun Feb-03-08 08:49 PM
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she won a senate seat in new york?
really? give it up.
the real test will come in August and September with bumper to bumper coverage of white water travel gate, the rose law firm scandal, a Monica redux, and more to come
can she win after the whole nation is drug through a rehash of this filth?
there is just no way she can win.
they will smear her back to the stone ages and it will stick because she has demonstrated repeatedly that she is a corporate cash powered ambition machine and people will start to remember all this stuff from the past and they will start to believe it because it all seems like stuff she would do.....
and the repuke hate machine will be on full tilt
with McCain caped on spending these smear attacks will all be independent expenditures and out of control the cazy bastard, (McCain) will simultaneously befit from them and denounce them as the problem with $$$ in politics
its a slam dunk win for him
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:34 PM
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Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 05:34 PM by judaspriestess
:thumbsup: toonces27
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:10 PM
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17. you WANT a McCain win? even for one-term |
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And what happens to the Supreme Court? It'll be all-pro business, anti-individuals and they can ram through every right wing law possible -- which set back social and economic justice in this country for 40+ years. As for hope, yes... it inspires, but it's perspiration that gets results. READ Woodward's THE AGENDA (published in'94 before HRC even thought of running for the Senate) about Clinton's first term. Neither Clinton realized how much the forces of special interests (from Repugs and Dems) would unify to undermine any attempt at change. They hoped the "let's all get along" sentiment would mean something... but that's not how our "democracy" works: Greed and deception is always afoot. That's what "experience" really means -- no rose-colored view of political forces. Even after 8 horrible years do you think the GOP won't be out stabbing backs while giving lip service to "hope" and "change."
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Sun Feb-03-08 05:20 PM
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19. its not a question of what i want. |
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there are political realities that democrats must learn to except
and Hillery is a walking disaster
i am not alone in this position ps
welcome to the DU
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