Hillary has ruined her chances in a general election with her "going after your wages" flap.

[Unsane]

Talk about feeding into all of the asinine and contrived notions republicans have about democrats (quasi-socialists, tax raisers)....shit she really blew it. Vote Obama for the good of the party. We cannot have another GE defeat.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Yep--the Dems are coming for your money. Open your wallets, America!

What a lousy policy to promote in an election year.

[Unsane]

2. I fucking cringed when she said that.

I'm an Obama supporter obviously, but I want our nominee to be viable no matter who it is. WTF was she thinking? Holy shit.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. Thank you. This story is going to blow up and I hope it tanks her in the primary

Before it blows the general for us. It's too late for her to change it. She has already said she wants to "go after" your wages. It is on a million websites as we speak. The GOP will use this to pick off votes from lower income people.

Fucking idiots running the Clinton campaign. :grr:

[demo dutch]

5. FYI In every country wih Universal Healthcare, you paid for it in taxes or premium, It comes out of

yr paycheck! just like Soc. Sec./medicaid

[GoldieAZ49]

6. yeah and ppl that think social security isn't going to be available for them

damn sure don't want another mandatory deduction from their paycheck

at least she is motivating young people to vote...against her

[Unsane]

7. She sounds like going after and individual's wage though, as a penalty.

wtf, so crazy

[fenriswolf]

8. right but in those countries they dont go to

a privitized industry, their wages are not garnished mandatorily to pay a ceo's paycheck or for the next pfizer commercial.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. FYI: Those countries don't give your money to private insurers.

I would have no problem with paying taxes for a true single payer system, not to some 3rd party gatekeeper who siphons most of it off to pay fat bonuses to CEOs and deny care to people because the shareholders come first.

[TexasObserver]

36. You said it very well in a brief statement. Thank you.

nicely done

[flyarm]

21. the propaganda is blowing up on Obama..i hate to clue you in!!

this is bullshit..do you get free insurance now??i know i pay for those who don't have it..and i am getting pretty damn resentful of it.

especially since it is eating into my lifetime cap..go look that up.. for those obama idiots that don't understand it!!

fly

[AGirl]

4. Talk about being fed into the notions republicans have about democrats.

[ursi]

9. the sad part is she probably didn't mean it the way it came out ...but the MSM ran with it today

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. Clinton supporters can cry me a Handshake Snub river over it. nt

[JVS]

28. Where is that river located?

:-)

[boston bean]

11. those were george stephanopoulis's words and she was repeating them after continually

refusing to say that.

[water]

12. It's no difference than paying for it with taxes. I don't see the outcry for taxes...

[JFKgirl]

20. shes paying the lobbyists who funded her campaign

[flyarm]

22. and so is Obama...

you are going to wish you had Edwards plan that Hillary copied ..if you live in Obama's state!!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22971762/
Nuclear leaks, response tested Obama in Senate
His legislation is re-made after objections from industry, regulators
By Mike McIntire

updated 12:37 a.m. ET, Sun., Feb. 3, 2008
When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state’s freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.

Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”


snip:
A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.



snips:

Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.


Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.

[pop goes the weasel]

23. the difference is

The income tax is progressive, lightest on those who make the least. Wage garnishment and payroll taxes are regressive. What ever makes Hillary think that people who right now can't afford to buy health insurance will be suddenly able to eat and keep a roof over their heads when the government starts yanking a couple hundred dollars a month out of their paychecks?

[water]

37. The outcry seems to be at the garnishment, not at the fact that it's not "progressive garnishment".

[rodeodance]

14. You and this poster get the idiot award for the day!:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4372476&mesg_id=4372476

[still_one]

15. She actually said she would consider it, but it will amount to the same thing

when the republicans get through with this

The TRUTH is that it will take both the executive branch and Congress to determine funding for any eventual HealthCare proposal

That is how she should have answered it.

Bottom line, if she gets the nomination, it will put her on the defensive immediately when the republicans call her on it.

[flyarm]

17. do you get free health insurance now? is your health insurance taken out of your

pay check now like mine is?

or don't you work?

or do your parents still pay for your health insurance?

i know i couldn't put my child in college without proving he had full health insurance..so please tell us who pays your insurance now?

fly

[still_one]

26. You can't do anything unless you get in first. Doesn't matter whether it ends up that way or not

Do you really believe that is a winning issue to tell people that they will have less take home pay?

John Edwards pretty much told it as it is, and it didn't help him much

That is not meant to be a cut at John Edwards, it is the unfortunate reality of where we are at this time

We are spending BILLIONS on an illegal war, paying higher prices for energy because of it, and citizens are to ignorant to realize that taxes aren't really being cut, you are just paying for it in another way

I hope you are right, but I sense that when they say you will be getting less of a paycheck, they will not consider healthcare that important unless they are uninsured or need it

[flyarm]

32. The Edwards Effect

The Edwards Effect


By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 1, 2008

If 2008 is different, it will be largely thanks to Mr. Edwards. He made a habit of introducing bold policy proposals -- and they were met with such enthusiasm among Democrats that his rivals were more or less forced to follow suit.

It's hard, in particular, to overstate the importance of the Edwards health care plan, introduced in February.

Before the Edwards plan was unveiled, advocates of universal health care had difficulty getting traction, in part because they were divided over how to get there. Some advocated a single-payer system -- a k a Medicare for all -- but this was dismissed as politically infeasible. Some advocated reform based on private insurers, but single-payer advocates, aware of the vast inefficiency of the private insurance system, recoiled at the prospect.

With no consensus about how to pursue health reform, and vivid memories of the failure of 1993-1994, Democratic politicians avoided the subject, treating universal care as a vague dream for the distant future.

But the Edwards plan squared the circle, giving people the choice of staying with private insurers, while also giving everyone the option of buying into government-offered, Medicare-type plans -- a form of public-private competition that Mr. Edwards made clear might lead to a single-payer system over time. And he also broke the taboo against calling for tax increases to pay for reform.

Suddenly, universal health care became a possible dream for the next administration. In the months that followed, the rival campaigns moved to assure the party's base that it was a dream they shared, by emulating the Edwards plan. And there's little question that if the next president really does achieve major health reform, it will transform the political landscape.

snip:

Furthermore, to the extent that this remains a campaign of ideas, it remains true that on the key issue of health care, the Clinton plan is more or less identical to the Edwards plan. The Obama plan, which doesn't actually achieve universal coverage, is considerably weaker.


Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University.

Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford. At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.

[flyarm]

16. i thought your screen name was insane..but it is unsane,,..same difference..i guess..

since you keep coming here and posting this same shit over and over again..and it is all bullshit and lies..have a nice stay..

fly

[OHdem10]

18. Has anyone else noticed how easily the Obamites spew

out GOP sounding talking points as threads???

[flyarm]

24. i have been seeing and hearing this shit since Iowa working with the Edwards camp..we tried to warn

people..we called them the IPOD kids for a reason..

fly

[exchange77]

19. Thats fucking not true Unsane!!! Stop swift boating a fellow Democrat !!!

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., this morning left open the possibility that, if elected, her government would garnish the wages of people who didn't comply with her health care plan. "We will have an enforcement mechanism, whether it's that or it's some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments," Clinton said in an appearance on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos".

Clinton went on to say, though, that such mechanisms would not include penalties. "They don't have to pay fines … We want them to have insurance. We want it to be affordable. And what I have said is that there are a number of ways of doing that. Now, there's not just one way of getting to that


http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=4235448&page=1

[flyarm]

25. ah another newbie..welcome to the obama lie machine!! eom

[exchange77]

29. So ironic..thanks ;.)

[flyarm]

31. opps for you newbie obama posters..when we do doubles..we remove one and type..dupe..

thought i would help you out there..but i will not help you with your propagnada!

fly

[exchange77]

30. So ironic..thanks ;.)

[flyarm]

27. hey do you know this poster..she is a new Obama poster too!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

so many of you newbies..are you sitting next to her??

welcome to DU...

lol

fly

[ErnestoG]

33. She sure as fuck has. Finally screwed the pooch.

[LittleBlue]

34. Agreed. Is she really this inept?

I can't believe she said it.

[Liberty Belle]

35. I agree. Who's to say whether someone can or can't afford to buy healthcare insurance?

You can't make that judgment based on income alone.

What if you're caring for aging parents?
What if you have kids in college?
What if your roof leaks, or you car needs major repairs?
What if you've already got a health problem that has robbed you of your savings?
What if your adjustable mortage rate just went through the roof?
What if you were relying on a spouse's income to cover a large mortgage, and now our spouse is unemployed?
What if you lost your home in a wildfire or flood, and are struggling to rebuild with limited insurance coverage?
What if you have a disability and have special needs?
What if you have a pile of debts to pay off from surgery, cancer treatment, or some other problem not within your control?

Bottom line: We need free universal healthcare for everyone in America, just like other industrialized countries provide. If we could come up with a system that allows you to choose your own doctors, we could overcome objections that this is "socialized medicine". If we'd stop wasting money on wars, we'd have plenty of money to pay for it.

[Unsane]

38. Maybe people can apply for exemptions?

Who knows. She really messed up, though.

[Jed Dilligan]

39. I'd rather spend my money on health than insurance nt