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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:49 PM
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universal health care under hillary means we all get screwed
just saying

you can bet this will be a great republican slogan if she wins the primary.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:52 PM
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1. Obamites Smear Like Republicans . . . hmmmm . . .
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 08:52 PM by neutron
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:53 PM
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2. actually I prefer obama to hillary
I'm a kucinich fan.

and you can bet you'll see simliar slogans if she wins the primary.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:54 PM
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4. why do you prefer Obama? He's as far right
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 08:56 PM by neutron
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:55 PM
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7. cause i'm tired of the clintons
i'm tired of the history, I deplore her tactics and I despise her proposed healthcare plan. I detest the fact that she hasn't apoligized for her IWR vote. She and her husband are trying to chop up the dem party so they can collect the pieces.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:59 PM
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9. Did you read the NYT revelation today about
what Obama did to his district?
I'll finish, but want you to hang on. This is rhetoric.
The environmentalists were very upset.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:00 PM
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11. no....what did obama do?
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:07 PM
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19. Here's what happened (links below)
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 09:32 PM by neutron
1. People found out the water they were drinking
was radioactive. There was leakage from the local Nuke plant.

2. Obama wrote up a bill to force the Plant to inform people when
there was a leak.

3. The Nuke people opposed the bill

4. Obama received several hundred thousand dollars in donations from
the Nuke reps.

5. Bill never passes.

6. Obama works with the Nuke people and comes up with a bill
PROTECTING the Nuclear Power Plant!

7. In Iowa, Obama brags about his lst bill, claiming that it passed, even
though it did not pass.

Paul Gunter, an activist based in Maryland who assisted neighbors of the Exelon plants, said he was “disappointed in Senator Obama’s lack of follow-through,” which he said weakened the original bill. “The new legislation falls short” by failing to provide for mandatory reporting, said Mr. Gunter, whose group, Beyond Nuclear, opposes nuclear energy.

In interviews over the past two weeks, Obama aides insisted that the revisions did not substantively alter the bill. In fact, it was left drastically different.

In place of the straightforward reporting requirements was new language giving the nuclear commission two years to come up with its own regulations. The bill said that the commission “shall consider” — not require — immediate public notification, and also take into account the findings of a task force it set up to study the tritium leaks.

I'll put the link below.
But I can tell you, Obama has been carrying on the biggest smear campaign
on the web that I have ever seen.
This has been going on for months. HRC is being smeared and smeared.

If you like Kucinich, you will like what Clinton has done for working people
Check out her endorsements because they list all the insane amount of work
she did for groups like nurses.

Now here is the link. Below that is what Krugman says about Obama's
economic plan.
If you still like Obama, then go for it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?em&ex=1202101200&en=f2853a7f59384438&ei=5087%0AResponding to Recession
by Paul Krugman

<snip>
Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here’s a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates’ characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy?
In fact, recent statements by the candidates and their surrogates about the economy are quite revealing.
<snip>
On the Democratic side, John Edwards, although never the front-runner, has been driving his party’s policy agenda. He’s done it again on economic stimulus: last month, before the economic consensus turned as negative as it now has, he proposed a stimulus package including aid to unemployed workers, aid to cash-strapped state and local governments, public investment in alternative energy, and other measures.
Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.
And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I’m sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that’s a bad thing, but there’s something to be said for presidents who know what they’re talking about.
The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?
Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.
For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.
In short, the stimulus debate offers a pretty good portrait of the men and woman who would be president. And I haven’t said a word about their hairstyles.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:12 PM
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21. sucks big time
do you have a link to a source besides the nyt as that paper might be biased.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:18 PM
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23. I don't.
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 09:19 PM by neutron
But they're the most trustworthy paper in the country - not infallible by any means - but
usually try to have a pristine, legal accuracy in reporting things like this.

You could contact the sources that they mention for verification.

Obama has a response, but I trust the NYT before I trust that dude.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:18 PM
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25. kk
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:04 PM
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18. self delete
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 09:07 PM by neutron
self delete
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:53 PM
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3.  . . . maybe . . . because . . . they ARE Republicans?
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JFKgirl Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:03 PM
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16. I hope you're aware that you replied to yourself
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:57 PM
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8. DId you miss the great Hillbot IWR defense of 08?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:54 PM
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5. We all pay for it, but if we don't have the jobs...
:think: :wow: :party:
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JFKgirl Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:55 PM
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6. she's "going after wages"
I mean, for fucks sake. I will not let this person come anywhere near my bank account. Don't steal my fucking hard earned money.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:59 PM
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10. Yeah, you will be able to be treated with no red tape, AWFUL
Just Awful.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:01 PM
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12. I'll believe that
when health insurance companies are no longer for profit, meaning they no longer recieve profit for denying health care.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:04 PM
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17. There is a no profit insurance option in her plan, you might
consider familiarizing yourself with it before you go around spouting bullshit.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:01 PM
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14. Red tape is inevitable -- It's not the issue
I favor Kucinich style single payer care.

But unfortunately, every health care system private or public involves mountains of red tape.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:01 PM
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13. I think that there are other states that have moved to this type of
UHC "strategy", although I admit it has a bit of the "blame the victim" cast to it.


I'm very surprised that she put this out right ahead of the big day - it could well backfire...
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:02 PM
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15. Massachusetts has it thanbks to Mitt Romney
And a lot of people are scared shitless of it.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:08 PM
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20. Whoever wins the primary will be hit by lies and trash by the GOP.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:16 PM
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22. Wow, you know you hit pay dirt on a thread...
when you click on it and most of what you see for the responses is ignored ignored ignored ignored. I'm guessing the Hill-shills didn't love your op long time, sailor boy. :)
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:18 PM
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24. If I get screwed....
will it pay for pre-natal and childbirth costs?

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:38 PM
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26. bullshit - that's why the Repubes would make it a slogan...
...anything they'd use like that you must know is bullshit.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:44 PM
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27. true
but it is compelling.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:58 PM
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28. The Republicans will say the same thing if Obama is nominated
They already came out with a supposed "study" by a right wing media magazine that said Obama is the most liberal Senator of all. How kooky is that?

The reason Democrats don't control everything is because they get scared of what Republicans might say. I'm all for watching the opposition and devising strategies, but we'll never do anything with health care that the Republicans won't call socialized medicine.
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